Should we start a petition to change the 5 ball back to orange again?

CocoboloCowboy said:
Think I would start petition, to stop calling Cue Ball, being referred to as Whitie, as some light colored skinned people are offended.
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Starts out Save the Five and turned into hidden racism.
Stay on track. Support Fatboy. Buy oranges. Buy Five of them
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I don't think Matchroom cares what you or I think. They think very little of pool, they would never DARE to change the colour scheme in snooker, but pool they'll change on a whim. In all honesty, I doubt they take the sport seriously at all. They certainly don't respect it much, in as far as the sporting aspect goes. They're English after all, they think anything but snooker is a joke.

My hypothesis is that pool to them is like a really old car you see out in a yard somewhere for almost no money, so cheap that it seems like you could buy it with some pocket change or whatever you find between your couch cushions. And even though it's not a Porsche 911, it has some character and is kind of neat looking. Sure it's worth maybe going through the steps of starting the engine, maybe change the break disks etc and other small stuff like that especially if you have some parts lying around, and if it starts and runs, it's fine. Then you can daily drive it, or flip it perhaps, and make a little money. But if there is any incling of more costly problems, it goes straight back to the junkyard, and you forget all about it.

For what it's worth, I like Centennial ball sets in the traditional colours, but I doubt Matchroom cares one iota.
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Can you imagine if the blue in snooker was orange??

The Queen would declare a national state of emergency
 
I played a small tournament with these new coloured balls. It wasn't as much of a problem as it is on tv. The numbers are more visible in real life. HOWEVER, I did need a little extra time (couple of seconds) to survey the table after the break. It's not that the different colours are so terrible. The old TV colours (pink four and brown 7) I got used to after a while, and they did serve a purpose. They made the balls stand out more and the colours more easily distinguishable. In the "olden" days you couldn't tell wether a ball was the 2 the 4 the 7 or the 8! The "new" TV colours sort of fixed that, but now we have high def and don't need that crutch anymore. What I dislike is change for the sake of change, which this newest colour change is. It has no real purpose as it doesn't really add anything, it just changes things around.
 
Even though these new colors have been in use for a while now, it is still disorienting! I often find myself thinking- why did he leave himself so bad on the 4 when it is really the 5. Old habits die hard. I still don't understand why they switched it in the first place.
 
sjm said:
Yes, suggestions and recommendations are always good, but a petition is generally a demand for action.
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Dont take this the wrong way, as I don't mean any offense, but what would it specifically take for you to demand a change? If they made the 8 pink or the 9 black or both? How about if they changed every colour, just swapped everything around so no single colour stayed the same? Would that be allright? That may seem unlikely, but it could very well happen. Once they did this 5 ball thing, they showed that they really do not assign any value to tradition at all.

We all get it, pool has been shit for decades and Matchroom has some money. Personally I think the history of pool has an intrinsic value and I don't think we should allow it to be changed to a point where it isn't recognisable. We have to draw the line somewhere. Once they start REALLY messing with the table specs or do something radical to the cueball, I'm certainly doing something. I dont' think I'm ready to die on this hill of purple fives, but I don't like it one bit.
 
sjm said:
Yes, suggestions and recommendations are always good, but a petition is generally a demand for action.
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I’m not demanding anything. That’s a gross over statement. I might jokingly say that here, but in real life is like to make a serious suggestion to them.

For sure I’m going to contact MR, they are great people and I’m going to be very professional and upstanding.

Just going to express the general sentiment of the rail bird community and players I’ve spoke to(with their permission of course) and see if they would consider possibly going back to a orange 5.

In all seriousness if it wasn’t the color of the 4, there really wouldn’t be a problem. The problem is they used a existing color one number away from the original colors.

Again 1000% respect MR for everything they have done and will do for pool. I wish them the very best and brightest future.

My idea for a petition was just to show or illustrate how big of a population of pool fans this bothers. Give it some scale. So they don’t think I’m just some “mad” guy in the spirit of proper English with a agenda. That was my thinking. Show MR that there’s a big audience that can’t stand it.

I’m not looking to start a war, I just am looking for a solution and credibility to present MR. Nothing more. This isn’t hostile in any measure.

Best
Fatboy <——-making the world orange again😊
 
Fatboy said:
This might be the only time I’ve ever disagreed with you. It’s a harmless attempt to make a good change.

I’m not knocking MR they are doing a brilliant job. And who better given the possible candidates make pool a real sport with real pro’s who have a sustainable income? Nobody.

The purple 5 ball is a simple over sight on their part. Nothing more. But it’s a sacred thing and need not be tampered with. Especially because the 4 IS purple.

That’s all, I have no I’ll will nor do I want to cause any harm. Preserving our heritage is my mission here

Best regards
Eric😃
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For starters, you're supposed to disagree with me as often as you please. We all see pool differently, but by exchanging ideas, we all broaden our perspective.

It's easy enough to make a recommendation to Matchroom, but to anyone who has become a fan of nine ball in the past year, the five IS purple.

Is tradition really that critical in our game? Once upon a time, we played on slow, nappy cloth and now we play on Simonis. Some of the old timers bemoaned the change. The game was played on ten foot tables until about 1950, then they switched to nine foot. Once upon a time, the pro game was straight pool, now it's nine ball. We used to play rollout and now we play Texas Express nine ball. We used to play without jump cues, now we play with them, and in the eyes of this fan, they've made the game worse. We never racked with a template back in the day, but now we do far too often. Cloth used to be either green or blue, now it can be a lot of different colors. Even the cue balls used today are not the ones I grew up with and, yes, the object balls look different, too, as we saw with Cyclops balls and as we're seeing again with set now in use by Matchroom,

The game and its equipment have evolved, in some ways for the better, and in many ways for the worse. Relative to how things used to be, the game is completely unrecognizable, but that doesn't seem like a problem to this fan.

Of course, it's fine to be a traditionalist.
 
How about 4inch pockets and sell a second mini ball set? Maybe 85% of original volume.
Players can practice with tighter pockets and less space on the cue ball.
New players cant find the spot in the cueball, with a smaller set the confidence level is higher.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
Dont take this the wrong way, as I don't mean any offense, but what would it specifically take for you to demand a change? If they made the 8 pink or the 9 black or both? How about if they changed every colour, just swapped everything around so no single colour stayed the same? Would that be allright? That may seem unlikely, but it could very well happen. Once they did this 5 ball thing, they showed that they really do not assign any value to tradition at all.

We all get it, pool has been shit for decades and Matchroom has some money. Personally I think the history of pool has an intrinsic value and I don't think we should allow it to be changed to a point where it isn't recognisable. We have to draw the line somewhere. Once they start REALLY messing with the table specs or do something radical to the cueball, I'm certainly doing something. I dont' think I'm ready to die on this hill of purple fives, but I don't like it one bit.
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Nice post, and your point is well made. I think we're on the same page, even if we have a different view on what change(s) have/will make pool unrecognizable.

No doubt, if very dramatic changes were made which enraged Matchroom's core fan base, which does not mean the hardcore fans like myself, I'd certainly make my opinion known, but Matchroom takes great pains to stay in touch with its fan base and would act accordingly with or without my input.
 
Fatboy said:
I’m not demanding anything. That’s a gross over statement. I might jokingly say that here, but in real life is like to make a serious suggestion to them.

For sure I’m going to contact MR, they are great people and I’m going to be very professional and upstanding.

Just going to express the general sentiment of the rail bird community and players I’ve spoke to(with their permission of course) and see if they would consider possibly going back to a orange 5.

In all seriousness if it wasn’t the color of the 4, there really wouldn’t be a problem. The problem is they used a existing color one number away from the original colors.

Again 1000% respect MR for everything they have done and will do for pool. I wish them the very best and brightest future.

My idea for a petition was just to show or illustrate how big of a population of pool fans this bothers. Give it some scale. So they don’t think I’m just some “mad” guy in the spirit of proper English with a agenda. That was my thinking. Show MR that there’s a big audience that can’t stand it.

I’m not looking to start a war, I just am looking for a solution and credibility to present MR. Nothing more. This isn’t hostile in any measure.

Best
Fatboy <——-making the world orange again😊
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It’s quite obvious you're only making a suggestion or request… not trying to start a riot. As for petition, request, suggestion…. Pretty simple…. All the same. All good intentions. No harm in stating your case…. And you should. Orange you glad you have followers.
 
sjm said:
For starters, you're supposed to disagree with me as often as you please. We all see pool differently, but by exchanging ideas, we all broaden our perspective.

It's easy enough to make a recommendation to Matchroom, but to anyone who has become a fan of nine ball in the past year, the five IS purple.

Is tradition really that critical in our game? Once upon a time, we played on slow, nappy cloth and now we play on Simonis. Some of the old timers bemoaned the change. The game was played on ten foot tables until about 1950, then they switched to nine foot. Once upon a time, the pro game was straight pool, now it's nine ball. We used to play rollout and now we play Texas Express nine ball. We used to play without jump cues, now we play with them, and in the eyes of this fan, they've made the game worse. We never racked with a template back in the day, but now we do far too often. Cloth used to be either green or blue, now it can be a lot of different colors. Even the cue balls used today are not the ones I grew up with and, yes, the object balls look different, too, as we saw with Cyclops balls and as we're seeing again with set now in use by Matchroom,

The game and its equipment have evolved, in some ways for the better, and in many ways for the worse. Relative to how things used to be, the game is completely unrecognizable, but that doesn't seem like a problem to this fan.

Of course, it's fine to be a traditionalist.
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The changes do stimulate sales. Everything sells. That’s a plus for the industry.
 
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