Should women be allowed to compete in US Open 9 Ball Championship?

[Ironman317]

Ignorance shines through...YOU are the one if i was to call anybody stupid that I would be directing it at.... You apperently didnt see or didnt understand "This whole thing" ment the topic of man vs woman I felt was stupid and couldnt figure it out from the text. But whatever so your not that sharp I know titles can be hard to understand....

Not that I owe you a complete break down of the reply but just to make sure your not to confused, I quoted Jay because of his 2 to 1 statment and if you were to read my reply to that you might even see a small compliment somyting about wisdom. I figure I should point that out do to the fact you might not be sharp enough to grasp that either. If you notice I started the last paragraph with "Jay" almost like at that point I was talking to him directly, got it, stupid.....

lol, then why quote jay and start your reply with "stupid"? keep on tough typing there kiddo. who knows, maybe one day you can move out of your parents basement and stop having to hide your playboys under your mattress.

 

[Mowem down]

lol, then why quote jay and start your reply with "stupid"? keep on tough typing there kiddo. who knows, maybe one day you can move out of your parents basement and stop having to hide your playboys under your mattress.

Holly cr*p should I be offended, that was really close to home ease up would ya after all I am just a kid....Tough what ...Its a good thing it wasnt me calling you a A$$hole then you really might of had somthing to say, it probably whould of been so harsh it brought a tear to my eye.......Stupid

 

[Ironman317]

Holly cr*p should I be offended, that was really close to home ease up would ya after all I am just a kid....Tough what ...Its a good thing it wasnt me calling you a A$$hole then you really might of had somthing to say, it probably whould of been so harsh it brought a tear to my eye.......Stupid

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[JoeyA]

Thinking & knowing are two different things.

First off its great to see Barry here!!!!


Second, he has created the Crown Jewel of pool tournments in America. And it has stood the test of time, thats even more impressive.


However I disagree with him on one fact. The girls have a Tour that in made up of many events/year. And thats their thing. Barry has a tournment which is a different thing. If Barry had a tour then banning the girls would be logical to me. The tours should be seperate sexes for many reasons.


But to ban the girls fron his tournment because of a tour the girls put together-where men arnt allowed to play. Dosent make sence. its apples and oranges.


I feel the US Open would be even a more presitigois event if the girls were alowed in it, It would be better. And let the girls have a tour, that has no impact on Barrys tournment. I think Barry is leaving some $$$ on the table here, if he allowed the girls he would have a full field, more gate$$$, and perhaps ESPN might get interested. And probably other things, just haveing Jeanette there would sell a bigger gate.

He is not maximizing his full potential by letting only the men play. He would make more $$$ and have a larger event-bottom line. As a successful biz man, aside from pool, its the best possible business decision he could make.

If Barry allowed the women to play in the U.S. Open 9 Ball Championship and it HURT his gate and it REDUCED the number of participants, who would pay for this loss?

What happens if the women play the first year and knock out a bunch of guys (which will surely happen) and those guys decide that they don't want to be beat by a girl :grin: so the next year they don't play in the tournament? Who's going to take care of Barry's loss of revenue?

If a business isn't broke, you don't "fix it". I agree that this tournament has withstood the test of time. Why would Barry want to change it?

Wouldn't Barry be GAMBLING that the addition of the women would increase the numbers of participants and his gate?

I can see Barry's side of this discussion very clearly and unless there were some people willing to make a long term GUARANTEE I don't think I would be discussing changing this aspect of the tournament.

Since I don't have a dime invested in this tournament except for my occasional presence, I am free to say I would love to see the women playing in this event too. Yes, we THINK it would add some spice to the event and some of us THINK it would increase participation in the event and we THINK Barry's gate would be improved.

But if I were Barry and had invested 33 years of my life in this event, I would be reluctant to make this type of change.

Some people may not know this but the WPBA and the U.S. Open 9 Ball Championship both started in 1976.

Anyway I wish I KNEW that the addition of the women would add more money to the pot.

Barry hasn't said he is concerned about what would happen to the US Open 9 Ball Championship if women were allowed but it has to be something he has to be thinking about whether he discusses this or not.

Messing with the "crown jewel" of pool tournaments is tantamount to being a card counter and playing blackjack at the casino. (You still aren't guaranteed of a positive outcome).

JoeyA

 

[Perk]

What happens if the women play the first year and knock out a bunch of guys (which will surely happen) and those guys decide that they don't want to be beat by a girl :grin: so the next year they don't play in the tournament?

I personally think there would be more guys that would play this event if the tourney expanded quantity of players (due to woman able to play). More players would make for more opportunities to advance an extra round or two in this event. Opening it up could get you into a much larger tourney possibly a 512 player bracket. Bigger tourney=bigger prize pool, bigger gate $$$, and possibly more recognition for pool.

 

[Roadie]

If Barry allowed the women to play in the U.S. Open 9 Ball Championship and it HURT his gate and it REDUCED the number of participants, who would pay for this loss?

What happens if the women play the first year and knock out a bunch of guys (which will surely happen) and those guys decide that they don't want to be beat by a girl :grin: so the next year they don't play in the tournament? Who's going to take care of Barry's loss of revenue?

If a business isn't broke, you don't "fix it". I agree that this tournament has withstood the test of time. Why would Barry want to change it?

Wouldn't Barry be GAMBLING that the addition of the women would increase the numbers of participants and his gate?

I can see Barry's side of this discussion very clearly and unless there were some people willing to make a long term GUARANTEE I don't think I would be discussing changing this aspect of the tournament.

Since I don't have a dime invested in this tournament except for my occasional presence, I am free to say I would love to see the women playing in this event too. Yes, we THINK it would add some spice to the event and some of us THINK it would increase participation in the event and we THINK Barry's gate would be improved.

But if I were Barry and had invested 33 years of my life in this event, I would be reluctant to make this type of change.

Some people may not know this but the WPBA and the U.S. Open 9 Ball Championship both started in 1976.

Anyway I wish I KNEW that the addition of the women would add more money to the pot.

Barry hasn't said he is concerned about what would happen to the US Open 9 Ball Championship if women were allowed but it has to be something he has to be thinking about whether he discusses this or not.

Messing with the "crown jewel" of pool tournaments is tantamount to being a card counter and playing blackjack at the casino. (You still aren't guaranteed of a positive outcome).

JoeyA

Very good post.

 

[pinkbunnyDonny]

With politics aside, I know vaguely about some agreement that forbids women to compete in the US Open 9 Ball Championship, but what do you think?

Many argue that women have their own US Open, which are for WPBA Pros and few slots available by invitation and qualifiers. However, this doesn't let anyone to just walk up and play - which the word "OPEN" is.

This year, I heard a female player unaware of such rule, tried to play the US Open 9 Ball without prevail. It was inconceivable to her that she could not just walk up with an entry fee and play because she was a woman.

This question may had been brought up before, but times have changed and so are peoples' opinions. So, what are your thoughts now?

S.

I think they should let a few women in if for no other reason than to dilute the sausage fest that is the US Open currently.

 

[allen_jr]

Given the prior agreements maybe there needs to be a new tournament that is truly "open" to anyone. It might oushine some of the others. It would be good to see something at Derby City !

If the poll is any indication there would be much support for such an event.

Just so you know, the Professional Players Championship hosted at the Super Billiards Expo is open to anyone, male or female. We have never had a woman sign up to play, and I know the tournament is not as big as the US Open, but it is well attended and played in front of a large audience.

The Expo used to host a WPBA Championship event years ago. Due to certain contractual differences, this event was dropped from the WPBA tour. After that, we made the event an Open Professional Players Championship, and allowed any women that desired to play the option to sign up and play just like anyone else.

I don't believe the issue is entirely men vs women, I think the WPBA has certain rules about what events the women can play in. I am not positive about this though.

Personally I don't think it would hurt Barry one bit if he allowed women to compete. And I don't imagine any men choosing not to sign up because women are allowed also. I actually did not know they were not allowed to, I just figured they chose not to. He has successfully organized and promoted this great event for years, I'm sure he knows what he is doing.

 

[jay helfert]

My own personal opinion is that if women were allowed to play in the Open, it would increase the size of the field (perhaps make it a full field of 256), add more interest (i.e. spectators) and produce some very exciting matches. All pluses in my book.

 

[Ken_4fun]

My own personal opinion is that if women were allowed to play in the Open, it would increase the size of the field (perhaps make it a full field of 256), add more interest (i.e. spectators) and produce some very exciting matches. All pluses in my book.

I agree with Jay on this one.

This is pretty much a no brainer, IMO. Until the field is full, Id let anyone pony up the money and play.

JMO

Ken

 

[Keith Buck]

When you are wanting to let the women pros play in the men's tournaments, you can't have it both ways. Do you think they would let the men enter their tournaments (not). It should be named Men's US Open 9 Ball Invitational and then US Open 9 Ball Invitational and then if they want to compete with the men it would be fine. With all the great male players there are, if the men were allowed to play in the female tournaments, they would win all the tournaments. I know, I know, there are some great female pros, but there are so many more great male Pros, it would not even be close.

Yes you can, unless you are going to say that junior players can't play in open tournaments because they have junior tournaments and wheelchair athletes can't play in open tournaments because they have wheelchair tournaments.

It is a fairly standard practice to have tournaments for sub-divisions of players that are thought to be unable to win at the top level. Right now it is believed that there are no women who could play their way through a tournament filled with top men and win so it is OK to have a women's only tournament.

 

[Keith Buck]

YEs but I think it should be played as men vs men and women vs women. then the champion of the men play the champion of the women and see who the best really is.

Some of them Professional women can spank a lot of the men. Even when spanking is not wanted

You wouldn't be seeing who the best really is using that format. The hard part of winning the US Open isn't winning one match, It is winning four or fives matches in a row against top players.

The top women players can win one match against any player in the world but it is hard to win four or five in a row if you are even a slight underdog in each match.

 

[JB Cases]

Just so you know, the Professional Players Championship hosted at the Super Billiards Expo is open to anyone, male or female. We have never had a woman sign up to play, and I know the tournament is not as big as the US Open, but it is well attended and played in front of a large audience.

The Expo used to host a WPBA Championship event years ago. Due to certain contractual differences, this event was dropped from the WPBA tour. After that, we made the event an Open Professional Players Championship, and allowed any women that desired to play the option to sign up and play just like anyone else.

I don't believe the issue is entirely men vs women, I think the WPBA has certain rules about what events the women can play in. I am not positive about this though.

Personally I don't think it would hurt Barry one bit if he allowed women to compete. And I don't imagine any men choosing not to sign up because women are allowed also. I actually did not know they were not allowed to, I just figured they chose not to. He has successfully organized and promoted this great event for years, I'm sure he knows what he is doing.

I am sure that Kelly Fisher did not know that she could play in that event. We all thought it was a UPA sanctioned thing and therefore not open to women. Well I am sure she will try to play in this upcoming one of nothing conflicts.

 

[New Guy]

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The Balls don't know the difference,
The cue doesn't know the difference ,
only the people watching , playing , and drinking beer(watching) have an opinion.



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Does that mean Tampax will advertise next year next to Cuetec next to Chaulk Off banners?
or Trojan should put up a PURSE (bad joke) as winnings for the play off?

I wonder if NASA ever trained chimps to play pool,

Question How many men will enter and play The Womens events and should they be allowed to participate?

 

[Bustah360]

I am sure that Kelly Fisher did not know that she could play in that event. We all thought it was a UPA sanctioned thing and therefore not open to women. Well I am sure she will try to play in this upcoming one of nothing conflicts.

Kelly Fisher has attended the expo for the past few years, as well as a few other women who frequent tables year after year for their own promotion or a sponsor's. I'm pretty sure they would know if they could compete in the event or not. I agree with Allen Jr on that the WPBA might regulate what events they allow the women to play in. I suspect its a monetary decision to do that as an attempt to secure their prize players' appearances in competition. I would assume Barry's comment of ladies first has a lot to do with this.

Tradition is something to be preserved, so I agree that it shouldn't be toyed with. Both men and women have their own respective events which should remain so. If having women play in the US open against men is something of a buzz for a more advancement to the sport then perhaps Mr. Behrman should consider opening a new US Open in a different game like 10 ball since its getting more and more popular. That way the US Open of 9ball retains its tradition as one of the longest and greatest events of the year, and others wishing to see men vs women have another prestigious event to attend and enjoy every year. Everyone's happy.

 

[JB Cases]

Kelly Fisher has attended the expo for the past few years, as well as a few other women who frequent tables year after year for their own promotion or a sponsor's. I'm pretty sure they would know if they could compete in the event or not. I agree with Allen Jr on that the WPBA might regulate what events they allow the women to play in. I suspect its a monetary decision to do that as an attempt to secure their prize players' appearances in competition. I would assume Barry's comment of ladies first has a lot to do with this.

Tradition is something to be preserved, so I agree that it shouldn't be toyed with. Both men and women have their own respective events which should remain so. If having women play in the US open against men is something of a buzz for a more advancement to the sport then perhaps Mr. Behrman should consider opening a new US Open in a different game like 10 ball since its getting more and more popular. That way the US Open of 9ball retains its tradition as one of the longest and greatest events of the year, and others wishing to see men vs women have another prestigious event to attend and enjoy every year. Everyone's happy.

I assure you that Kelly Fisher DID NOT know that she was allowed to play in the event for several of the years when she attended as our sponsored player. Why? Because we would have INSISTED that she play and put her in the event for the publicity.

We lobbied the UPA on Kelly's behalf for inclusion in their events and were flatly denied for nothing more than than the same sexist reasons Barry has given us.

The "tradition" of the US Open would not change one bit if Barry allowed women. It should have been genderless from the beginning and now it really should be.

As has been already stated "the women" do not all have "their own" event. There are hundreds of women playing around the world who are not WPBA members. Why discriminate against them? Are they not humans? Is their money any less worth than anyone else's. You have to be joking when you allow any APA3 with a penis and you deny a woman who can actually play some in your event just because she has boobs.

 

[JB Cases]

The Balls don't know the difference,
The cue doesn't know the difference ,
only the people watching , playing , and drinking beer(watching) have an opinion.
Question How many men will enter and play The Womens events and should they be allowed to participate?

All of them because it would be STEALING. If you are an A player and you are allowed to play in a weekly tournament with C players then you'd love it.

And if you are the same A player and NOT ALLOWED in the C-Player event then you'd WELCOME any and all C-players who wanted to donate to the weekly tournament you play in.

That's the whole freaking point. Why deny the lesser players a chance to play in what is billed as an OPEN event?

 

[Mowem down]

I assure you that Kelly Fisher DID NOT know that she was allowed to play in the event for several of the years when she attended as our sponsored player. Why? Because we would have INSISTED that she play and put her in the event for the publicity.

We lobbied the UPA on Kelly's behalf for inclusion in their events and were flatly denied for nothing more than than the same sexist reasons Barry has given us.

The "tradition" of the US Open would not change one bit if Barry allowed women. It should have been genderless from the beginning and now it really should be.

As has been already stated "the women" do not all have "their own" event. There are hundreds of women playing around the world who are not WPBA members. Why discriminate against them? Are they not humans? Is their money any less worth than anyone else's. You have to be joking when you allow any APA3 with a penis and you deny a woman who can actually play some in your event just because she has boobs.

I agree with your point about lessor players, one should have to qualify or get a invite just like any other major game. But you cant just single out the US open in pool and say this one event has to be non gender that isnt right. Its all or non and I would be willing to bet theres more women then not that dont want to have to play against men every tourney in any game. Alot of women would see there paydays drasticly reduced.