Side to Side ball movement at slow speeds?

My carom ball set is Aramith super pro cup.Gorina Granito M cloth is similar to Simoinz 300 Rapide.Everything new six months ago,no roll offs.Now roll offs at slow speeds.Fuzz is burned off at location of each cue ball shot.Just the natural physics of the product.
 
hotwls13 said:
If I give up a little speed for accurate felt, I can live with that.
EDIT: I just checked this stuff out at the Championship website. It doesn't appear to come in Tan/Camel. My current color is Camel, and he said it does come in this color. Maybe there are new colors available?
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You paid for a premium cloth and shouldn't have to give up anything on a 2 month old table.
3045 Ultra does not come in Camel however 4045 Ultra Teflon does.
Since you half-ass ruled out the ball set that leaves the cloth and the slate.
You can go right to the source on the cloth -
Call Championship and ask for Fred Cohen 800-323-2852
Explain the problem and see what he says.
It's possible the cloth is defective but more probable that it was improperly installed.
 
I agree...I wouldn't accept a lesser cloth than what you paid for. Beside the fact that in my experience, a slower, non-worsted cloth is going to also have the grain. You'll also have to deal with the cloth pilling. That grain will shag up slightly like new carpet. If you think the grain in a worsted cloth can cause the ball to roll off, you should see it hit those cloth pills!!! I wouldn't let him change the cloth.

Also, if it's an Olhausen, any slate screw holes near the rails should not be in the playing surface. If they are, the installers didn't line up the rails properly. The only screw holes they'll need to fill in are the ones in the center of the table at the seams in the slate.

Incidentally, I know an Olhausen dealer (company owner) with one bad eye. What area do you live in???? LOL

Good luck with whatever happens, but I wouldn't accept the cheaper cloth. If you do, you might suggest they compensate the difference by upgrading your balls to a higher grade set of Aramiths. Make sure this guy makes you happy. You're the one spending the money.
 
hotwls13 said:
Mercury Ultra by Championship is what he is going to use. I'm pretty sure it'snot the balls, as I have tried different balls, and they all are moving in the same directions. I would think it was the balls if they were always going in different directions. If I give up a little speed for accurate felt, I can live with that. I really feel like I have no choice. Theres only one place in town that deals with Olhausen. I can't afford pay to have someone else to come here and look at it or fix it. If this new cloth doesn't fix the problem, I will just call Olhausen corporate.

EDIT: I just checked this stuff out at the Championship website. It doesn't appear to come in Tan/Camel. My current color is Camel, and he said it does come in this color. Maybe there are new colors available?
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I'd still bet my money on the level of the slates being off! Anyone want to take that bet?...LOL

Glen
 
Club Billiards said:
Nope! Not this time! LOL
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I've installed a lot of cloth in my time, and I have yet to see Championship cloth track balls, don't matter who installs the cloth, and for sure not when it's new. I guess it can be questioned, but if the table would have had Simonis cloth on it, tracking the balls wouldn't have even been a conversation. I prefer Simonis cloth all day long, but have nothing against Championship Tour Edition 3030, it's an OK cloth by me, in fact I prefer it on bar tables over Simonis...for now!...LOL...hehe! If I had to bet on it, with the balls being eliminated as a possible source of rolling off, 999 times out of 1000...it's the level of the slate that is causing the balls to roll off. Thicker cloths, as in non-worsted woolen cloths hide the level of the slates real good...in the beginning, but show the true flaws of the cloth later on with increased wear, as in tracking the balls into ditches in the cloth along the rails, in the rack area, and in the breaking area, not to mention their slow playing characteristics. Slow rolling is what covers up the flaws in the unleveled slates!

PS. Make them show you the slates are level BEFORE they take the table apart to change the cloth!
 
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hotwls13 said:
Mercury Ultra by Championship is what he is going to use. I'm pretty sure it'snot the balls, as I have tried different balls, and they all are moving in the same directions. I would think it was the balls if they were always going in different directions. If I give up a little speed for accurate felt, I can live with that. I really feel like I have no choice. Theres only one place in town that deals with Olhausen. I can't afford pay to have someone else to come here and look at it or fix it. If this new cloth doesn't fix the problem, I will just call Olhausen corporate.

EDIT: I just checked this stuff out at the Championship website. It doesn't appear to come in Tan/Camel. My current color is Camel, and he said it does come in this color. Maybe there are new colors available?
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Tell who ever you bought the table from, you got it handled. Tell them that if they can't get the roll out of your table to your satisfaction, Realkingcobra will be in your area soon, and that he'll stop by and fix your table for you at no charge...and send THEM the bill! Watch and see what happens then...LOL Shit WILL hit the fan...LOL because they don't want to pay an outsider to fix their screw ups...trust me!

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
I'd still bet my money on the level of the slates being off! Anyone want to take that bet?...LOL Glen
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Maybe it's slight earthquakes causing the balls to wobble. :D

In rereading this thread I'd agree it's probably the level
 
in the last 3 years I have only found 1 bad bed cloth from Championship it had a long knot or extra threads for about a foot. you only noticed it on slow rolls or rubbing your hand on it. when I lefted the cloth off there was nothing on the slate or on the felt it was wolven in the cloth..

I will still bet on the slate also...

Craig
 
OK guys what do you think of this approach:

I plan to call Olhausen Corporate tomorrow and explain my situation. I plan to tell them about the weird ball movement as well as a couple particularly bad areas where the ball definitely tracks to one direction. I plan to tell them what an Ass the local owner was and that he suggested replacing this Tour Edition cloth with Mercury Ultra. I will also tell them I have been talking with folks online at azbilliards (it would be nice to be able to drop some names Olhausen would recognise) and the consensus is that it shouldn't be the cloth and that if it is the cloth, then it should be properly replaced with the same quality (ie worsted wool). I will also tell them about the ball suggestions from you folks (which may account for some of the weird wobbles, but I don't see that accounting for the tracking in particular areas).

What do you guys think? This is a weird situation cause I am not the expert, so I feel uncomfortable demanding any particular change since I am not sure I will pick the right fix. Does that make sense?

EDIT: One more bit of info. I just got though hitting slow balls that barely reach the rail at the other end of the table. When hitting them straight down the long length of the table (ie dot to dot) I can see plenty of ball movement. Some tracking and some wobbling. But, if I shoot diagonally from corner to corner with just enough to barely reach the pocket, I see no wobbling and barely any tracking. Hope that helps.

I don't want some inferior cloth that will be a temporary fix.
 
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hotwls13 said:
OK guys what do you think of this approach:

I plan to call Olhausen Corporate tomorrow and explain my situation. I plan to tell them about the weird ball movement as well as a couple particularly bad areas where the ball definitely tracks to one direction. I plan to tell them what an Ass the local owner was and that he suggested replacing this Tour Edition cloth with Mercury Ultra. I will also tell them I have been talking with folks online at azbilliards (it would be nice to be able to drop some names Olhausen would recognise) and the consensus is that it shouldn't be the cloth and that if it is the cloth, then it should be properly replaced with the same quality (ie worsted wool). I will also tell them about the ball suggestions from you folks (which may account for some of the weird wobbles, but I don't see that accounting for the tracking in particular areas).

What do you guys think? This is a weird situation cause I am not the expert, so I feel uncomfortable demanding any particular change since I am not sure I will pick the right fix. Does that make sense?

I don't want some inferior cloth that will be a temporary fix.
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What state are you in? Sounds like an unlevel slate to me.
 
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If Glen can't get to you I can It's short of a drive but I like to drive. problem gas is the killer just to reassemble a table the right way. Just thought I would throw it out there..


I left Sacrmento @ midnight drove to L.A. to pick up a table drove back set it and went back to bed wierdest Saturday I ever had.

Craig
 
hotwls13 said:
OK guys what do you think of this approach:

I plan to call Olhausen Corporate tomorrow and explain my situation. I plan to tell them about the weird ball movement as well as a couple particularly bad areas where the ball definitely tracks to one direction. I plan to tell them what an Ass the local owner was and that he suggested replacing this Tour Edition cloth with Mercury Ultra. I will also tell them I have been talking with folks online at azbilliards (it would be nice to be able to drop some names Olhausen would recognise) and the consensus is that it shouldn't be the cloth and that if it is the cloth, then it should be properly replaced with the same quality (ie worsted wool). I will also tell them about the ball suggestions from you folks (which may account for some of the weird wobbles, but I don't see that accounting for the tracking in particular areas).

What do you guys think? This is a weird situation cause I am not the expert, so I feel uncomfortable demanding any particular change since I am not sure I will pick the right fix. Does that make sense?

EDIT: One more bit of info. I just got though hitting slow balls that barely reach the rail at the other end of the table. When hitting them straight down the long length of the table (ie dot to dot) I can see plenty of ball movement. Some tracking and some wobbling. But, if I shoot diagonally from corner to corner with just enough to barely reach the pocket, I see no wobbling and barely any tracking. Hope that helps.

I don't want some inferior cloth that will be a temporary fix.
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Contacting Olhausen is a last resort, as they are not responsible for their distributers quality of work, only the craftmanship of the table built. I would first exhaust all measures of correcting the problem with the people you bought your table from. If they can't resolve the problem with the same cloth, being the Championship Tour Edition 3030 as opposed to changing the cloth for Meurcry Ultra which is a sub-standard cloth when compared to the Tour Edition, then and only then would I go to Olhausen directly.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Tell who ever you bought the table from, you got it handled. Tell them that if they can't get the roll out of your table to your satisfaction, Realkingcobra will be in your area soon, and that he'll stop by and fix your table for you at no charge...and send THEM the bill! Watch and see what happens then...LOL Shit WILL hit the fan...LOL because they don't want to pay an outsider to fix their screw ups...trust me!

Glen
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Tomorrow's Monday, read what I said above.

Glen
 
I plan to call them tomorrow and see if they think they can fix the problem with new Tour Edition cloth. I'm not really sure why he would have suggested the Mercury cloth in the first place (unless it is basically a band-aid type of thing or he is trying to save $$). I know the Tour Edition is more $$, but is it really that much more? I think I only paid $60 extra to upgrade from there standard cloth to TE. If the owner gives me crap, I will suggest him paying for someone else to come in and fix it.

Glen, you said you may be driving through the area. What would it take/cost for you to stop by and take a look? Like I said in a previous post, I don't want to put a bunch more $$ into this since I feel like Olhausen or The Pool Table co. should pay to make this right. I also don't believe in asking someone to do "just take a look" and not expect to be somehow compensated.
 
OK guys here is the latest update....

I talked with the local owner today, I told him that I would rather have him replace the cloth with the same Tour Edition. He stated that he was trying to make me happy, and he thinks I will be happier with the Mercury. He also said he was trying to take care of me and that if I would like he can pickup the table and give me a refund. I mentioned that if the Tour Edition was a thinner cloth, couldn't a thicker cloth basically hide an underlying slate problem? He then said that he had already planned to replace the slate when he does the felt replace. I asked what level of slate he was replacing it with, he stated "that table is a Sheraton, it comes with Brazilian, and that he was replacing it with Italian". I agreed to his proposal. So, I am getting italian slate with the Mercury Ultra felt (which he stated does come in Camel). It seems funny to me that he was claiming that he didn't see any weird ball movement, but that he is going to replace the slate. Anyway, I know I am stepping down in cloth quality, but I am hoping the slate swap will fix the underlying issue. At least this way my local dealer is trying to fix the problem. If I am not happy with the results, then I will elevate it. Also, I figure the Italian slate is worth more than the Tour Edition felt, and I can always have Tour Edition or Simonis put on at a later date if this cloth starts to act up after wear.

Thanks for all your help, especially Glenn and Craig.

One quick question, how do I tell by looking at the slate if it is italian or not? Not that he would do it, but I want to be sure that he isn't just feeding me salesman BS and just puts brazilian on.
 
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