Siming Chen

[BeiberLvr]

Mind you it's a WPA event with a shot clock I think at that point in the match she was flustered Chens play got better as the match progressed,, you ought to look at Albin and Shane in the finals of the TOC to see the shots they dogged it was pretty comical,
I'll add to this how many matches Iv seen pro's play I thought dam I play that good or I can make that shot , then I step into live bullets and it's a far different story

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Oh, was this the first WPA event she's ever played? Never heard of someone, let alone a professional, getting flustered in the very first rack. Especially during a fairly routine shot.

I've seen the Albin and Shane match. However, there is a rather large difference between simply dogging/missing a shot/position, and completely taking the wrong shot.

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Thank you for missing the entire point of my post. I never asked for the differences between male and female anatomies or how different men live their lives compared to females.



and yes, I still stand by what I say. This is not tennis, football, soccer or bowling. Literally, the only difference between a male and female pool player is how much power is generated at the break. If a male and female get the same schooling/lessons from teachers on how to play this game, the male is not going to come out with some sort of secret that will make him better than the female.



But that's just the way I have looked at this argument since I've come back to playing pool and seeing so many people have this conversation.

Ok. I'm just telling you that there is significant research indicating that there are differences between men and women. Differences grounded in their biology. Differences in cognition and temperament. These are significant factors in competitive games and sports independent of any difference in physical strength.

With respect, I did not miss the point of your post. I *refuted* that point. There is a critical difference that you are perhaps not recognizing. You have restated your point again here. I still think you are incorrect in your assumptions. Which is fine with me. You don't have to think or learn anything...that's totally up to you.

You didn't ask for information about men and women. Ok. However failing to recognize the relevance of this information and its significance to this topic explains why you still think as you do.

In a nutshell, you say strength is the only biological difference. I say you're wrong about that, that there are many other differences, and that those differences are more significant that the differences in strength.

Again, you can look at it any way you like. If this leads you to post an opinion that I believe is inaccurate and under-researched, I may offer some contrary opinions. That's what a public forum is for, is it not?

Best wishes,

KMRUNOUT


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[KMRUNOUT]

I think you missed his entire point . Literally, there are thousands of differences, other than the break. He tried to show you, and you just blew it off lol. Amazing :thumbup:.

The way they live their lives, the anatomies, etc, are the huge differences. A woman's brain does not think like a man's. Her hormones & emotions are completely different. All these things matter just as much as strength. For some reason you fail to see the big picture. I will post this again in case you missed it the first time.





http://www.healthline.com/health-news/mental-mens-and-womens-brains-wired-differently-120713#4

Thanks. Yep that's what I'm saying. I appreciate your post.

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[KMRUNOUT]

With all of this talk of the top women... here is Siming Chen vs Centeno Chezka from 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwSCk64TnH8

PS, they both stroke like men, with a pronounced elbow drop. Maybe that is why they are so good! ha ha ha

Wait a second. I didn't realize Chezka is a lefty. Isn't a lefty like 40 Fargo points higher automatically?

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[jasonlaus]

Oh, was this the first WPA event she's ever played? Never heard of someone, let alone a professional, getting flustered in the very first rack. Especially during a fairly routine shot.

I've seen the Albin and Shane match. However, there is a rather large difference between simply dogging/missing a shot/position, and completely taking the wrong shot.

And Alex dogging those balls in a few recent events? Jesus, give it a rest already. Or jump up and play her King Kong
Jason

 

[justinb386]

Siming Chen has shot up to #41 in the world among men and women. She is the #1 female in the world and there are only 40 humans above her skill level, and she is still young and improving.

Very interesting. Curious who the next female in line is in World Rankings (among men and women), and what number she is. I assume you are talking about their Fargo rating?

 

[justinb386]

I fixed your post. She is very talented.

Yes, and I do not think that the Fargo rate of female players should be compared to the fargo rate of male players. The females are playing under a different type of pressure then the males. I do not know, but I find it hard to believe that she beats all of the other players outside if the top 40 (in the Fargo rate system). Put her in the US Open, or the Derby City Classic (or any other major tournament, that is open to all human beings), and lets see how well she does.

 

[justinb386]

There was a lot of noise recently when McEnroe said Serena Williams would be 700th in the world if she competed with the men in pro tennis.
After all the huffing and puffing, they find the Letterman interview with her where she said it's a completely different game in the men's division, more power, more spin, etc. And admitted she would be no where near the top on the pro tour.

I would love to see Siming Chen compete for a full season on the men's euro tour.
Maybe even a full season on the joss northeast 9-ball tour.

After watching Karen Corr compete at the highest levels on the men's tour, im most certain women can compete. But can they ever break the top 50 in the world if playing only men's division tournaments? I'd like to see her attempt it for sure.

It will never happen, as long as there is a Pro Women's tour. Why would she compete against the top Men, if she only has to compete against the top Women (and earn just as much money, or more)? Maybe she would if she had the free time to do both, but I am guessing that would not be possible.

 

[justinb386]

She plays even with skylar woodward if that gives you any indication of her speed, but shes trending up and so is he

Does she really? You would bet even money on her to beat Skyler 5 times out of 10 (in races to 11 in 9 ball, for example, or any game on a pool table)? I think not. No offense to her though. My bet is that Skyler wins more then 5 times out of 10.

 

[justinb386]

Why do you say they play even? Did he say that?

Maybe because they both have an identical Fargo rate? I do not know though. Just a guess.

 

[jasonlaus]

Yes, and I do not think that the Fargo rate of female players should be compared to the fargo rate of male players. The females are playing under a different type of pressure then the males. I do not know, but I find it hard to believe that she beats all of the other players outside if the top 40 (in the Fargo rate system). Put her in the US Open, or the Derby City Classic (or any other major tournament, that is open to all human beings), and lets see how well she does.

You have no idea how fargo rate works.
Jason

 

[justinb386]

She could win several shes a solid 782 and continuing to climb. Even most men arent a 782 or higher there are 3 or 4 american men that could compete at her level

But she obtained that 782 rating by playing Women, not Men. Skyler (and all of the other Male pros) obtained his rating by playing Men. I just do not see how you can compare the 2. I am so tired of hearing about the Fargo rating system. Comparing the rating of the guys to the girls is just silly I think. Mike Page explained all of this to me, about why I am wrong, but I still do not get it. If she really plays even with Skyler (according to Fargo), then she should not be on the Women's pro tour. She should be playing with the Men.

 

[justinb386]

If all the tournaments I entered had a bunch of D players then my Fargo Rate would also be a 782.

P.S. I play even with Shane VanBoening, he doesn't know it yet though because we've never played a game together.

That is exactly what I was thinking, but just could not figure out how to explain it the way you did. This is why I do not see how the Fargo rating of the girls can be compared to the Fargo rating of the guys.

 

[justinb386]

No it wouldn't-You can't get a high rating by beating low rated players. The whole system is based on the level of players that you beat and who they have beaten.

But the girls are all just playing each other. They received their rating by only playing other girls. If the Fargo rate system proves that the girls should be competing at the same level as the guys, then why are they not? What if there were no Women's pro tour. Are you sure that she (the girl in question) would still have around a 782 Fargo rating?

 

[justinb386]

Do you think this young lady's rating would be as high as it is if she were sharing the table with Orcullo, SVB, Alex, Thorsten, etc on the reg?

I do not know, but I think not.

 

[justinb386]

I don't know why it wouldn't be.

Sure, initially she wouldn't be accustomed to the degree of return-fire. But it is not like she is unaccustomed to the TV table, late rounds of major events, the pressure of needing to come through when it matters. In fact, she has more under-the-lights experience than male players who play at her level.

And when we look at this initial goofiness, remember it is a two-way street. If she played a similarly-rated male, the monkey may be on the back of the male player--the one who, by conventional wisdom--isn't supposed to lose.

Siming's record over the last four years (since age 19) against the top western players (Allison, Jasmin, Kelly, and Karen) is 96 wins, 68 losses --basically playing 67 points above this competition. It takes a pretty high male pro to match that record.

So, if Skyler could put on some makup and a dress, and sneak on as a female, and only be playing the females, he would only have around the same win/loss record as her (playing only against other females)? And vice versa, is she could only play in the open events, she would have about the same win/loss record as Skyler in that situation? Sorry, but I think not. I know I risk looking like a complete fool with my way of thinking about the Fargo rating system. I really only have a very basic understanding of it.

 

[justinb386]

Can you play a part?

There have been famous male/ female challenges before...

What do you think of Allison Fisher when she was in her prime? Could she have beat some of the top Men pros, at that time (mid 90's?)? I do not know, but I remember she was super strong. I seen a Snooker match of her playing in a team event (on youtube), when she was really young (probably before she came to the US), and I was really impressed.

 

[jasonlaus]

So, if Skyler could put on some makup and a dress, and sneak on as a female, and only be playing the females, he would only have around the same win/loss record as her (playing only against other females)? And vice versa, is she could only play in the open events, she would have about the same win/loss record as Skyler in that situation? Sorry, but I think not. I know I risk looking like a complete fool with my way of thinking about the Fargo rating system. I really only have a very basic understanding of it.

No, you have NO understanding of Fargo
Jason

 

[BeiberLvr]

And Alex dogging those balls in a few recent events? Jesus, give it a rest already. Or jump up and play her King Kong
Jason

Once again.

Dogging balls is not the same as making bad decisions.

Let me know if I need to explain it a third time.

 

[BasementDweller]

justinb -- For the love of pool please stop talking about Fargo Ratings since you absolutely refuse to understand how they work. You have been led to the water many times but yet you still refuse to drink.