simple aiming systems

[crappiecrazy]

I did a search on this site for "simple aiming systems". After reading many threads, the one posted below by one of the members was the easiest system for me to understand. It is very similar to what I have been doing but I did not know it was my "aiming system". Most of the others threads were over my head at this point in my learning phase.
Could I get some feedback on this system? I don't understand the last sentence about CTE but maybe you can help me some and I will do a search to learn more about CTE.







This is a very easy system to apply. Note the contact point on the object ball,
determine the entry point at the pocket (which may not be center pocket), and then
place your eye behind the cue ball point and focus on the object ball contact point.

Quite simple and accurate. It has some features similar to CTE in that you line up
differently behind the cue ball for thinner and thinner cut shots.

I use it.

 

[naji]

I did a search on this site for "simple aiming systems". After reading many threads, the one posted below by one of the members was the easiest system for me to understand. It is very similar to what I have been doing but I did not know it was my "aiming system". Most of the others threads were over my head at this point in my learning phase.
Could I get some feedback on this system? I don't understand the last sentence about CTE but maybe you can help me some and I will do a search to learn more about CTE.







This is a very easy system to apply. Note the contact point on the object ball,
determine the entry point at the pocket (which may not be center pocket), and then
place your eye behind the cue ball point and focus on the object ball contact point.

Quite simple and accurate. It has some features similar to CTE in that you line up
differently behind the cue ball for thinner and thinner cut shots.

I use it.

Healthy Human eyes are usually accurate like laser they can find and zero in the contact point between OB & CB with high accuracy (within the potting range of all angles) at a younger age usually this process takes less time than at old age, also at times tired or lack of sleep focus power lacks a little, longer time is needed to find focus especially for more than 1/2 ball cuts; 99% of shots are missed because the hand/elbow motion cannot deliver the CB to that contact point; many new players blame it on aim when it is in reality stroke; and the proof is the difficulty of making a long straight shot at times; we all know where to aim for it, yet a lot of players cannot make it; or just simply have the CB go up and down the table straight. IMO focus on your stroke not on your aim

 

[crappiecrazy]

Thanks sounds like great advice. Jerry B the instructor that produced the training DVD that I am using said the same thing basically.

 

[Mitchxout]

99% of shots are missed because the hand/elbow motion cannot deliver the CB to that contact point; many new players blame it on aim when it is in reality stroke

Everyone seems to think there is some secret to aiming that will make them play like the pros. However, the truth is aiming is only a small part of the total package.

 

[macguy]

Everyone seems to think there is some secret to aiming that will make them play like the pros. However, the truth is aiming is only a small part of the total package.

I don't know, you can deal with missed position and play your way out of it, but a missed ball is the deal killer. I would not call making balls a "SMALL" part of good play. I know what you are saying but I would not minimize the importance of good aiming and the confidence it gives a player. It is a lot more fun playing when you know you are not just guessing all the time.

 

[sjm]

I don't know, you can deal with missed position and play your way out of it, but a missed ball is the deal killer. I would not call making balls a "SMALL" part of good play. I know what you are saying but I would not minimize the importance of good aiming and the confidence it gives a player. It is a lot more fun playing when you know you are not just guessing all the time.

Point well taken, but I think the idea is that aiming, while very important, is far easier than sending your cuestick on the chosen aim line and hitting the cueball with consistency and with a follow through along the aim line. In my opinion, the latter skills are harder to develop and take longer to learn.

I think equating aiming with pocketing is a major oversimplification and I'm inclined to agree that aiming is just a small part of the package when it comes to delivering the most ideal possible strokes.

 

[Neil]

Point well taken, but I think the idea is that aiming, while very important, is far easier than sending your cuestick on the chosen aim line and hitting the cueball with consistency and with a follow through along the aim line. In my opinion, the latter skills are harder to develop and take longer to learn.

I think equating aiming with pocketing is a major oversimplification and I'm inclined to agree that aiming is just a small part of the package when it comes to delivering the most ideal possible strokes.

They go hand in hand. Aiming systems provide you with a way to approach the table in the same way each time. Delivering a straight stroke is the result of having a proper stance and alignment each and every time. While they are two different things, they compliment each other very nicely. The good aiming systems are much more than just aiming.

 

[randyg]

Aiming systems are like girlfriends. Until we find the right one it's never really comfortable.

There are a dozen perfectly great aiming systems one could learn. We have to find the one that fits our Brain. When we do, the game get's a lot more fun.

randyg

 

[dougster26]

Elbow

I struggle with delivering a straight stroke consistently. The other day, I set up a mirror at the end of the table. What I saw was an elbow that was not in alignment with the rest of my body. It was hit or miss and if I didn't have the mirror I wouldn't have known how bad it was.

I'd appreciate any tips that anyone cares to offer to try and make me more consistent.

 

[Jaden]

thats only half of direct aiming...

I did a search on this site for "simple aiming systems". After reading many threads, the one posted below by one of the members was the easiest system for me to understand. It is very similar to what I have been doing but I did not know it was my "aiming system". Most of the others threads were over my head at this point in my learning phase.
Could I get some feedback on this system? I don't understand the last sentence about CTE but maybe you can help me some and I will do a search to learn more about CTE.







This is a very easy system to apply. Note the contact point on the object ball,
determine the entry point at the pocket (which may not be center pocket), and then
place your eye behind the cue ball point and focus on the object ball contact point.

Quite simple and accurate. It has some features similar to CTE in that you line up
differently behind the cue ball for thinner and thinner cut shots.

I use it.

Yeah finding the contact point on the ob is only half of direct aiming and direct aiming is only about 20% of aiming.

You have to be able to line up so that the cb will make contact with the ob's cp so you need the cp on the cb as well.

There are several ways to do that. You can aim at a point half ball behind the ob in line with pocket.

You can visualize a ball behind the ob in line with the shot.

The most accurate way imo is to draw a line through the ob in line with the pocket, then draw a parallel line through the cb. Where that line travels through the back of the ob is the cp on the ob. Where the parallel line intersects the front of the cb relative to the ob is the cp point on the cb.

Line up the two cps and you have the path for the cb.

Like I said though, that is only about 20% of aiming. You have to understand collision induced throw,squirt, swerve, tangent line and have a feel for speed and understand parabolic curves of draw and follow.

Jaden

 

[Jaden]

bottle stroke an hour a day

I struggle with delivering a straight stroke consistently. The other day, I set up a mirror at the end of the table. What I saw was an elbow that was not in alignment with the rest of my body. It was hit or miss and if I didn't have the mirror I wouldn't have known how bad it was.

I'd appreciate any tips that anyone cares to offer to try and make me more consistent.

Get yourself a soda and wash it out. Practice stroking straight through the opening 30-60 minutes a day. Go 4-6 inches inside the bottle each time. Use your normal pre shot routine.

Start with a wide mouth bottle like mountain dew has then move to a tighter bottle opening.

Or you can get one of joe tuckers stroke trainers.

Jaden

 

[Johnnyt]

Yeah finding the contact point on the ob is only half of direct aiming and direct aiming is only about 20% of aiming.

You have to be able to line up so that the cb will make contact with the ob's cp so you need the cp on the cb as well.

There are several ways to do that. You can aim at a point half ball behind the ob in line with pocket.

You can visualize a ball behind the ob in line with the shot.

The most accurate way imo is to draw a line through the ob in line with the pocket, then draw a parallel line through the cb. Where that line travels through the back of the ob is the cp on the ob. Where the parallel line intersects the front of the cb relative to the ob is the cp point on the cb.

Line up the two cps and you have the path for the cb.

Like I said though, that is only about 20% of aiming. You have to understand collision induced throw,squirt, swerve, tangent line and have a feel for speed and understand parabolic curves of draw and follow.

Jaden

"Like I said though, that is only about 20% of aiming. You have to understand collision induced throw,squirt, swerve, tangent line and have a feel for speed and understand parabolic curves of draw and follow."

Now that is something aiming system sellers NEVER tell you. Take this sentence to the bank folks. I n fact take all of the above to the bank. Johnnyt

 

[BeiberLvr]

"Like I said though, that is only about 20% of aiming. You have to understand collision induced throw,squirt, swerve, tangent line and have a feel for speed and understand parabolic curves of draw and follow."

Now that is something aiming system sellers NEVER tell you. Take this sentence to the bank folks. I n fact take all of the above to the bank. Johnnyt

That's true with something like ghost ball, but not with a system like Pro One.

Feel free to not believe. I won't try to convince you.

 

[Neil]

"Like I said though, that is only about 20% of aiming. You have to understand collision induced throw,squirt, swerve, tangent line and have a feel for speed and understand parabolic curves of draw and follow."

Now that is something aiming system sellers NEVER tell you. Take this sentence to the bank folks. I n fact take all of the above to the bank. Johnnyt

The tangent lines and speed and understanding the parabolic curves of draw and follow are for position play. They have nothing to do with aiming.

Sounds like you are in the camp that believe aiming systems are supposed to be the cure all for everything. Strange how not a single proponent of aiming systems has ever said that, yet those against aiming sytems constantly bring up things like that.

Aiming systems are to get one on the proper line to make the ball with no english. That is all. As a very good side benefit of doing that, they also tend to help one attain a consistent approach to the shot and consistent alignment. Two things critical in producing a straight stroke. (but not the only two things)

How one wants to apply english after being on the correct pocketing line with no english is up to them. However, there are also systems for that, such as bach hand english.

 

[dr_dave]

I did a search on this site for "simple aiming systems". After reading many threads, the one posted below by one of the members was the easiest system for me to understand. It is very similar to what I have been doing but I did not know it was my "aiming system". Most of the others threads were over my head at this point in my learning phase.
Could I get some feedback on this system? I don't understand the last sentence about CTE but maybe you can help me some and I will do a search to learn more about CTE.

This is a very easy system to apply. Note the contact point on the object ball,
determine the entry point at the pocket (which may not be center pocket), and then
place your eye behind the cue ball point and focus on the object ball contact point.

Quite simple and accurate. It has some features similar to CTE in that you line up
differently behind the cue ball for thinner and thinner cut shots.

I use it.

Any "system," including the one described above, that helps you focus more and be methodical about aiming shots in a consistent way is a good system.

If you want to learn more about the basics of CTE, check out the CTE resource page.

If you want to learn more about other commonly-used "aiming systems," many are described, illustrated, and demonstrated on the aiming systems resource page.

I personally prefer DAM.

Enjoy,
Dave

 

[SCCues]

Healthy Human eyes are usually accurate like laser they can find and zero in the contact point between OB & CB with high accuracy (within the potting range of all angles) at a younger age usually this process takes less time than at old age, also at times tired or lack of sleep focus power lacks a little, longer time is needed to find focus especially for more than 1/2 ball cuts; 99% of shots are missed because the hand/elbow motion cannot deliver the CB to that contact point; many new players blame it on aim when it is in reality stroke; and the proof is the difficulty of making a long straight shot at times; we all know where to aim for it, yet a lot of players cannot make it; or just simply have the CB go up and down the table straight. IMO focus on your stroke not on your aim

This sounds pretty accurate to me.

 

[naji]

I struggle with delivering a straight stroke consistently. The other day, I set up a mirror at the end of the table. What I saw was an elbow that was not in alignment with the rest of my body. It was hit or miss and if I didn't have the mirror I wouldn't have known how bad it was.

I'd appreciate any tips that anyone cares to offer to try and make me more consistent.

Get good instructor

 

[naji]

Aiming systems are like girlfriends. Until we find the right one it's never really comfortable.

There are a dozen perfectly great aiming systems one could learn. We have to find the one that fits our Brain. When we do, the game get's a lot more fun.

randyg

I like the comparison but the problem is girlfriends at times become uncomfortable what do you do!!

 

[8pack]

"Like I said though, that is only about 20% of aiming. You have to understand collision induced throw,squirt, swerve, tangent line and have a feel for speed and understand parabolic curves of draw and follow."

Now that is something aiming system sellers NEVER tell you. Take this sentence to the bank folks. I n fact take all of the above to the bank. Johnnyt

Amen!

Anthony


Ps.....I meant to say Amen to all.

 

[Gerry Williams]

I haven't seen any aiming system claim to account for the factors listed.

I use Pro One exclusively and it does account for CIT by providing a shot line that is a slight overcut. As for squirt and swerve they become more of a factor the further we stray from center cue ball.

I couldn't put a percentage to it but this game would not be much fun if you could not aim

Cheers,
Gerry

"Like I said though, that is only about 20% of aiming. You have to understand collision induced throw,squirt, swerve, tangent line and have a feel for speed and understand parabolic curves of draw and follow."

Now that is something aiming system sellers NEVER tell you. Take this sentence to the bank folks. I n fact take all of the above to the bank. Johnnyt