mosconiac said:
i think i fyou focus comming off that rial to the 8 t makes the shot easier. trying to come straight into it it's easier to end up too short or straight on the 8. there'd a bigger margin for error
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i think i fyou focus comming off that rial to the 8 t makes the shot easier. trying to come straight into it it's easier to end up too short or straight on the 8. there'd a bigger margin for error
Just for the sake of discussion:
I don't like "floating" the cue ball to avoid the side pocket because I think you're trading an easily controlled shot for one that's not as easily controlled. What I mean by that is this:
The 7's position makes it braindead simple to miss the side pocket and get a good approach angle on the 8 simply by putting a little bottom on the cue ball - no real guesswork involved. That leaves you free to calibrate your speed to go the right distance.
But "floating" the cue ball with draw changes the equation so you're calibrating both distance and angle with a more fluid combination of shot speed and tip placement, a more complicated judgement that makes the outcome more questionable IMO.
pj
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Patrick Johnson said:
I think you have it backwards. I use "float" to describe how I will strike the 8-ball and get on the 9-ball. I'm going one rail and feel confident I won't scratch.
Shooting the 7-ball, I want to simply get past the side-pocket and away from the rail. I want the 8-ball to be makeable but I'm not concerned about getting that ideal 30 degree angle. I don't want to fall straight and I don't want to be on the side-rail and I'll guard against that.
Im pretty sure i would be shooting the 7 into the corner with a draw stroke to come out past the side and downtable for an angle (same as everyone else). The thing that would give me pause would be the possibility I would overamp on the draw and get straight in on the 8. Not saying I would do it but I would have to at least look at the possibility of shooting the 7 into the side and following off the first diamond past the side and off the rail. For me, its much easier to put the cueball where I want it following then trying to draw it.
I would definitely shoot the 8 with top left and come straight across the table for the 9. Im not going anywhere near those pockets by trying to draw it out 3 rails.
I would definitely shoot the 8 with top left and come straight across the table for the 9. Im not going anywhere near those pockets by trying to draw it out 3 rails.
Joe T
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Yeah what he said. The pockets can shrink and your stroke can squeek a bit if it's a truely meaningful event especially if you're lucky enough to have some spectators.
I'm not looking to be right or wrong just hopefully adding shot selections to our game. With that said here's how I like to shoot it and why.
The 7 is just in a crappy spot like Steve said nothing real natural and I don't like babying the balls or the stroke in this situation. With this shot I get to let my stroke out and love how I'm hitting the 3rd rail (bouncing more into it rather than sliding down it). for many it might be too missable but for me I can make it as often as any other way. for those of you comfortable with high inside go ahead try it and see how you like it. We all need more inside.
Thanks for all the replies, you were all right!
you guys are funny.
The best way is much like Jude Rosenstocks diagram. Except you dont need quite as much of an angle and then you just slide down a couple feet or so and your perfect on the 8.
Joe, there is no way your shooting that shot like that unless you land like that or you are playing for fun. Too great of a chance of coming too far`and getting straight or coming too short and freezing to the long rail.
And no your not all right
The best way is much like Jude Rosenstocks diagram. Except you dont need quite as much of an angle and then you just slide down a couple feet or so and your perfect on the 8.
Joe, there is no way your shooting that shot like that unless you land like that or you are playing for fun. Too great of a chance of coming too far`and getting straight or coming too short and freezing to the long rail.
And no your not all right
I would just have played the 7 - 9 combination. After all it was ball in hand, right? I always aim for the 9-combination with ball in hand... 
I like the shot CUBC lined up.
PS: I am having problems with Cuetable too..
I like the shot CUBC lined up.
PS: I am having problems with Cuetable too..
Joe T said:
First off thanks for the great post, we need all the threads like this we can get.
I would have never guessed this as an option unless I made an error on the 6 ball and found myself there. I am not disagreeing with your shot but I am surprised how different your point of view is. Your shot is one of confidence and thats what you need to get out hill/hill. Thanks for todays lesson.
Joe T said:
Letting out one's stroke is a great way to release the tension, especially in a situation like this, and this power inside english shot is pretty tough to over stroke. After letting this baby rip, that good ole oomph feeling will be pretty strong, and playing what may appear to be a finesse shot on the 8 to the 9 may be a bit more of a challenge, but power shots like the one on the 7 are to die for.
Go for it, I say!
Flex