SJM at the 2023 Derby City Catastrophe

sjm

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I just got back from the 2023 edition of the Derby City Classic. Here’s how it went.

Friday, 1/20, Derby City Day 1
Arrived at the hotel at about 2:30. In the Bigfoot, I missed SVB’s win over Eberle but was just on time to see Shaw’s win over Woodward. I also caught Gomez’ win over Pagulayan. Though encouraged by Jayson Shaw to check out Chohan vs Filler in the action room, I thought it wise to make an early night of it and retired to my room early.

Saturday, 1/21, Derby City Day 2
Rose on time for the 9:00 AM banks round. I chose to watch Filler’s match, but only saw the last part of it, with Josh winning comfortably. The best matchup of the round in Jayson Shaw vs Scott Frost. Frost grinded well for a 2-0 lead. Jayson fought back, and when things reached double hill, Frost took the lead in the case rack. Shaw fought back and completed the comeback.

My attentions then turned to the 10ball. I saw most of Fortunski’s impressive win over Immonen. Corteza crushed Garcia and Konrad J won a tight one over Morra.

Sunday, 1/22, Derby City Day 3
Caught some early banks matches but saw nothing special.

Then it was on to the Bigfoot, where Shane bested Shaw, taking an early lead and never giving it back. Next up was Gorst vs Gomez. Both were solid, but Fedor created practically nothing with his break, and Gomez prevailed. Fortunski vs Corteza was a good one that reached double hill, but Fortunski made an error two ball from the finish line and it cost him the match. His countryman Konrad J fared better, topping Filler in a tight contest. Like Gorst, Filler was creating next to nothing off his break and it surely cost him his chance. Nonetheless, all the credit to Konrad, who played great pool. Three of the top five players, based on Fargo, in the world were eliminated (Shaw, Gorst, Filler) in a tumultuous day of ten ball.

One pocket began, but I saw none of it.

Monday, 1/23, Derby City Day 4
On this day, I opted for the bank pool over the Bigfoot semis, giving my seats to friends. Shane beat Gomez and Konrad J beat Corteza in two blowouts. The only 10ball match I watched was the relatively poorly played final, won by Shane, who nabbed the first big payout at the 2023 Derby.

The banks offered many good matches. The best match I saw on this day was Gomez vs Daulton. Shannon led 2-1 but Gomez won a hard-fought rack to reach double hill. At double hill, Gomez ran the last four to reach the finish line. Shannon Murphy gave Shaw his first loss in a squeaker and Filler was handed his first loss by an impressive Scott Frost. Immonen suffered his first loss at the hands of Luis DeMarco. Some big names were eliminated in Round 9, as Roland Garcia gave Tony Chohan his second loss and Pagulayan took out Daulton. Reyes was also eliminated. Finally, props to Lukas Verner, a 21-year- old playing in his first ever Derby, who tying for 15th place after a Round 9 loss to Gomez. SVB was eliminated as Gorst beat him easily. Jayson Shaw survived, coming from 2-1 behind to beat Robert Frost.

Fourteen players were left. From my vantage point, Gorst looked he was the one to beat in the bank pool. His play had been almost superhuman to that point.

One pocket was still in Round 2 at day’s end and I didn’t watch any of it.

Tuesday, 1/24, Derby City Day 5
Tuesday at the Derby is always about the banks, and the day didn’t disappoint. For much of the day, the story was the unknown Raed Shabib, who had beaten Scott Frost on Monday night, continuing his stampede. He beat Billy Thorpe, Roland Garcia and after drawing the bye in Round 12, advanced to the TV round, assured of third place. Gerson Martinez and Josh Filler finished tied fourth.

In the TV round, Evan Lunda faced Raed Shabib for a chance to double dip the undefeated Fedor Gorst in the final. Lunda prevailed.

In the final, Lunda was brilliant in taking the first set but, after Gorst bought back, Lunda’s level dropped in the second set and Fedor played well to win the title, becoming the man to beat for Master of the Table.

I didn’t follow much of the one pocket but saw Roberto Gomez beating Gorst. Wednesday, I reckoned was the day when I’d focus on watching the one pocket event.

Something remarkable nearly happened in that Gomez had beaten Gorst in the Bigfoot and in one pocket before the two matched up in banks. Gomez led 2-1 and looked like he was going to beat Fedor in a third discipline. It didn’t happen, as Fedor rallied for victory.

Wednesday, 1/25, Derby City Day 6
Wednesday at the Derby is all about the one pocket

The first big match up was Gorst, who carried a loss, against Shaw. A win by Shaw would have given the few who had hopes of Master of the Table more hope, but Gorst won it. John Schmidt would be the one to give Gorst his second loss.

In Round 7, Efren gave Filler his first defeat. Other big names sitting pretty through Round 7 were Justin Hall, Tony Chohan, John Morra, Jon Pinegar, Sky Woodward, Anton Raga and Corey Deuel, all undefeated.

Round 1 began in 9ball but I didn’t see any of it.

Thursday, 1/26, Derby City Day 7
The one pocket delivered sensational pool. While it was Efren Reyes winning his first ten that turned the most heads, John Pinegar wasn’t far behind in his methodical victories. Chohan, to me, looked the man to beat, as he easily dismissed opponent after opponent.

At day’s end, Filler had just been eliminated, and will finish fifth or sixth in one pocket. Coupled with his fourth-place finish in banks, he was firmly in the hunt for Master of the Table, and it looked like it would come down to Josh and Fedor.

Entering Friday, the remaining five in one pocket were Pagualyan and Woodward, each with a loss, and Chohan, Pinegar and Reyes all undefeated.

9ball continued by was still in Round 2 at day’s end. I didn’t watch much of it.

Friday, 1/27, Derby City Day 8
Efren’s continuing run in the one pocket was the big story on this day. Strangely, the one pocket players, to a great extent, got the day off, with few matches played. Efren beat Woodward with relative ease and then squeaked by Pagulayan, who blew a 7-3 advantage in the case rack. Pinegar was superb in giving both Chohan and Efren their first losses.

The one pocket event had been backed up so far that the semis and finals were postponed until Saturday. Reyes would play Chohan in the semi and the winner would play Pinegar for the title.

Shannon Murphy was superb in winning the Bank Pool Ring Game, with Thorpe finishing second.

9 ball offered numerous good matches. A great match was Pagulayan’s double hill win over Scott Frost. Anton Raga took an early loss, compromising his chances. Brandon Shuff had a nice win over Fortunski, In Round 5, Shaw drew his old Joss Tour rival Dechaine and prevailed easily. The two primary candidates for Master of the Table, Filler and Gorst, remained undefeated at day’s end.

Things were way behind schedule in the 9-ball and the prospect of a final going deep into Sunday morning loomed large. Many players had played well past 2:00 AM were asked to report back for a 9:00 AM match. Really!

Saturday, 1/28, Derby City Day 9
I think that less is more as far as my comments concerning what was to prove the worst day in the history of the Derby. A day filled with promise fizzled and became a nightmare. 9ball players had to report at 9:00 AM and two of them, Gorst and SVB, would be there for 25 hours, as it took until about 10:00 AM to finish the event. I couldn’t last past 5:00 AM and missed three rounds. Only about a dozen fans remained when I turned in. It looked like some players might collapse. Chohan won a very competitive one pocket final over Pinegar. Gorst eventually topped SVB in the 9ball final, winning Master of the Table yet again and, at 22 years of age, becoming only the second player to win at all three disciplines at the Derby,

I’m choosing to pull my punches, but the level of incompetence in management of the schedule over the last three days of the Derby was hard to fathom, and it ruined this Derby City Classic.

The disservice to the players exceeded the disservice to the fans, and players were less than alert in the last rounds. Several players faced the possible decision of having to choose between continuing to play and miss their flight out of Louisville or just forfeiting. Several of them were heading for Poland to the World Pool Championships and were starting to get antsy about the delays.

The Hotel
At the Horseshoe, the rooms are OK, but everything else is second rate. As always, it’s the food situation that s worst. It’s the general absence of good food that’s hard to deal with. You can get a decent breakfast, but at an exorbitant price, you’d expect better than plastic utensils. Lunch and dinner in the food court were terrible and, whether you went to the homestyle stand or the grill, the choices were few and the quality second rate. The one good restaurant they have is the Gordon Ramsay steakhouse, but it’s booked solid all the way up to March. I got in once because somebody cancelled. As always, the air quality was poor.

Takeaways
Gorst appears to be the best all-around player in the world for sure, but Filler, who had three top fives in the three disciplines, will definitely win Master of the Table one day.

It was clear to me even before I arrived that those running the event had no sensible plan for this Derby and, despite some fine play on display, this should go down as the worst ever Derby.

Having missed the closing stages of the 9ball, just like virtually every American fan of the game, I left Louisville absolutely disgusted. My experience was so negative that I have to wonder whether I’ll ever go to the Derby again. This year, DCC stood for Derby City Catastrophe.
 
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rexus31

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Thanks for the recap. I don’t understand why they do not have it in a city and a property with more food and lodging choices for the attendees. The whole thing seems low rent to me and now all involved have to fade poor scheduling. They should cap the entries, eliminate most of the dead money and execute a better schedule. Watching Shane play in the 9B final was sad. He was clearly spent and stood no chance against a 22 year old. We all know it’s easier to fade all nighters in your early 20’s vs your late 30’s. The event organizers and sponsors should be ashamed of themselves.
 

Hungarian

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Thanks for the report. Sorry to hear it went so bad. As a stream watcher it was apparent things were out of kilter as well.
 

pt109

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I never got a look at you on the stream, Stu….so I’m happy to be reading this.
I too agree that something has to be done….this tournament should end with a grand finale, not like some local tournament where almost everyone has gone home and often they don’t even play the finals.
 

ShootingArts

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Quite a write up as always! Good information I am sure but no food to speak of and terrible scheduling does sound disheartening. We are left to wonder what would happen with more reasonable scheduling and we will never know!

I have been to many local tourneys not wrapping up at four to six AM which is ridiculous for minor events. A major event running to ten AM the next day, beyond ridiculous! I don't get in marathons with young bucks these days just because they will outrun me after enough hours. I know Shane keeps himself in good shape but the grueling lead up to twenty-five hours to get to the finals, outrageous. If I want to see a marathon I'll go to Boston.

Thanks for your report. Great as always although I can't help seeing bitter disappointment in this post.

Hu
 

Bob Jewett

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Great writeup, Stu.
.... I couldn’t last past 5:00 AM and missed three rounds. Only about a dozen fans remained when I turned in. ...
I'm curious about the food situation at that time of the morning. Was there any 24-hour snack bar/diner open?
 

Fatboy

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No. The kitchen in the grill was open until 3:00 AM but after that nothing until the breakfast place in the hotel opens.
The food was the worst. Not like they didn’t have space for the food or knew 6 months ago there would be a full hotel full of captive starving people.

Mismanaged is a understatement

Glad you home Stu and didn’t get stuck in a snow storm. Was a pleasure to see you.


Best
Eric 😃😃
 

sjm

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I am of the opinion that all the amateurs are what make the Derby so special and would hate to see the Derby change in that regard. This is the event in which the amateurs get to play their idols and they love it. So do I.

The fields were too big, the tables were too tight for most of the competitors, and the scheduling during the event was just awful. That's why this event was a mess.
 

Fatboy

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Thanks for the recap. I don’t understand why they do not have it in a city and a property with more food and lodging choices for the attendees. The whole thing seems low rent to me and now all involved have to fade poor scheduling. They should cap the entries, eliminate most of the dead money and execute a better schedule. Watching Shane play in the 9B final was sad. He was clearly spent and stood no chance against a 22 year old. We all know it’s easier to fade all nighters in your early 20’s vs your late 30’s. The event organizers and sponsors should be ashamed of themselves.
When Harrahs bought that land they must have paid $12 for it. It’s on the outskirts of BFE with a view of the land full on the other side of the river (I’m not joking).

It’s so remote that nobody in their right mind would build anything within 30 minutes of it.

It’s a shit location with a poorly managed property on it, that’s been consistent since derby moved there in 2009.

While the short term profits must be nice, the long term outcome is what Stu described. Am I going back again? That’s the beginning of the end.

Yes it should be relocated to a more suitable location. Period

Fatboy <———mite pick something else to go to next year as well
 

Fatboy

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I am of the opinion that all the amateurs are what make the Derby so special and would hate to see the Derby change in that regard. This is the event in which the amateurs get to play their idols and they love it. So do I.

The fields were too big, the tables were too tight for most of the competitors, and the scheduling during the event was just awful. That's why this event was a mess.
Way too tight. That messed up the scheduling as it increased match lengths.

There’s a whole list here of problems. I’ll let someone else talk about them.

We all saw the same thing……
 

ALT_ESV

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Agree on so many points Stu.

After around 2am Sunday (today) as the 9 Ball rounds, the demeanor of the room dropped from “let’s grind to find a winner” to “just survive”.

I remember the air being let off the sails as it turned to “well, you just got to play and do it all yourself since all the other people went to bed”. It was clear Gorst wanted the time to go as quick as possible but no shot clock on so many matches meant hours for dead time as he sat in the arena during his byes/wait. In one match, Woodward made a couple balls but he was mentally checked out as well. Gorst played each shot like a fresh shot and only came out of line of a couple times. Towards the end there was a shot where he could bank a ball but instead played safe. Woodward scratched his head and asked why…Gorst simply wanted to play strong until the end.

I hung around to the last nine ball dropping but afterwards I felt so irritated at the end of an event. The 9 ball players deserved the respect and attention of all the other NINEBALL sanctioned event. Not chairs already stacked up in the front rows as they prepare to close up shop.

I wish I saw you off Stu before the final rounds. Sweating the good matches with you was fun so I’ll try to end on that good note. I’m all ears for the USA based tournaments that are better greased for those not yet able to enjoy the freedom of retirement and have to balance time off from work. 🙂

Morgan
 

tim913

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What would help?
More tables, better scheduling, a few all night food carts or just a total change of venue?
 
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