Skid-Missed Shots=Frustration

My friend was watching the shot, and he said the ball skidded. It was the 8ball which would have won the game. The balls were real slick when we first started playing, could have been waxed. They were the Crown balls where the numbers are in the white part of the ball instead of in the stripe on the 9 thru 15. I have heard the term cling used before. When the cb contacted the 8 ball the 8 ball jumped. Not saying I didn't hit it bad cause I could have . Thanks for all the input.
 
?????

Skid on a straight in shot???? Cut shot yes..., straight in shot, not so sure about that?
 
Don't make me get my video cam out and show you a kick, straight on or cut rolling or draw, I can make it happen
 
easy-e said:
I agree. I think there are ways to prevent it from happening, and I have never blamed a miss on a ball skidding. I think an exact part of the CB has to contact an exact part of the OB at the right speed for a skid to happen.

It's pretty impossible to say that balls DON'T skid, there are plenty of videos out there where you can see it happen. I do, however, think people over-use it as an excuse.
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The phenomenon is common enough that every miss is replayed at slow-motion in the booth when AccuStats is filming... If it is a skid you will see the replay if it was just a miss you usually won't.....

It seems most common around a halfball hit where the cueball is sliding at contact or has a touch of backspin... Outside english or top seems to negate the effects...

If you want a heated account of a skid ask Danny D about what happened to him in a straight pool tournament that had a bounty for running out the game in the first inning........
 
Thanks for All The Input

This has been ab interesting thread. I think with the object balls being waxed, and the cue balls being old and in bad shape I have my answer. Thanks guys.
 
If possible play shape so you can force the ball.......

lstevedus said:
I play on equipment 99% of the time that needs a good cleaning. Friday night I missed a long, just about straight in, that cost me a match and sent me to the losers side because of skid. I was using just a touch above center to shoot. I should have used low, but hind sight is always 20/20. I've already discussed this with a friend who is a very good player, but thought I would throw it out here and see what other ideas are out there? The balls were clean when we started the tournament, but there was a lot of chalk dust on the tables. I even saw a pro player wiping the path his cue ball was going to take with his hand before some shots. I know Ralph Souquet puts the cb in his pocket before he breaks to clean it off, and I've seen players roll the cb against the cushions to clean it. Any other ideas guys? Sure would apreciate it, thanks in advance.
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Especially on a bartable I used to play shape so i could force the balls in with the english to avoid most skid possibilities. Many times when we skid the ball we know it could have happened on that type of shot.

Just my opinion but I think the skids are more common now with these different types of chalk. Diamond and kamui chalk. It sticks on the tip and the balls better. The balls seem to skid alot more often then years ago. It also has something to do with the type of cloth, plus for some reason the laminated shafts seem to aid in making the ball skid. I noticed when I started using a predator shaft my skid ratio went up. And not my imagination.

Good Luck geno.....
 
I was shooting with a 1st generation Predator shaft and using Blue Diamond chalk..hmmm

Thanks Geno
 
King T said:
Skid on a straight in shot???? Cut shot yes..., straight in shot, not so sure about that?
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Yes, this is actually a standard problem at carom billiards when you want a simple rolling follow shot to just go forward and hit a near-by ball. The cue ball makes a funny sound on contact and jumps straight in the air before it follows forward a small part of the expected distance. While the effect is different because you often send the object ball along the right line, I think the cause is the same: chalk at the contact point.
 
TheThaiger said:
Wrong!

Sorry, but that's no longer perceived wisdom. The BBC has done tremendous work in this area and no almost nobody in snooker believes a kick is caused by chalk or cloth fibers. You should see the video footage if you haven't already - they're a thing of beauty, even if they don't provide conclusively proof.

As i said, the correlation between a bouncing CB and a jump when there's contact with the OB is very high. Don't forget, slow rolling is where the highest cueing errors occurs. Kicks are also very noticeable on frame balls, when there's bound to be a bit of extra tension in the cue arm.

All this goes to show just how important good cueing is.
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Wasn't it the BBC commentators that were blaming static electricity for kicks a few years ago? Did they ever get off of that idiocy?

The cue ball leaves the cloth on nearly every shot, cued well or not. This is also well known.

The simplest way to explain the high friction of kicks is chalk on the cue ball landing on the contact point. This is also sufficient -- chalk at the contact point can be demonstrated pretty easily to increase friction a lot. There is no other viable explanation for the increased friction that's observed.

It's unfortunate that the BBC can't afford to do a real study.
 
Had a ball

skid on me tonight. Thin cut from the middle of the table into head left pocket, the 6 ball skided on me, missed, left my opponent out, game, match, done.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Wasn't it the BBC commentators that were blaming static electricity for kicks a few years ago? Did they ever get off of that idiocy?

The cue ball leaves the cloth on nearly every shot, cued well or not. This is also well known.

The simplest way to explain the high friction of kicks is chalk on the cue ball landing on the contact point. This is also sufficient -- chalk at the contact point can be demonstrated pretty easily to increase friction a lot. There is no other viable explanation for the increased friction that's observed.

It's unfortunate that the BBC can't afford to do a real study.
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:D

That's the same BBC that's the world's most prestigious broadcaster? The pinnacle of impartial journalism? The world's largest and most important broadcaster?

I'm sure they can spare one of their 23,000 staff to look into it for you, although it's a waste of time because few believe chalk is the primary cause of kicks any more.

Sorry, but as with a great many other things, you pool guys are a looong way behind the snooker guys. It's like living in another century around here at times. Frankly, it's no wonder America has 'lost' pool - it doesn't understand it, and simply will not change.
 
TheThaiger said:
:D

That's the same BBC that's the world's most prestigious broadcaster? The pinnacle of impartial journalism? The world's largest and most important broadcaster?

I'm sure they can spare one of their 23,000 staff to look into it for you, although it's a waste of time because few believe chalk is the primary cause of kicks any more.

Sorry, but as with a great many other things, you pool guys are a looong way behind the snooker guys. It's like living in another century around here at times. Frankly, it's no wonder America has 'lost' pool - it doesn't understand it, and simply will not change.
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Why do you spend so much time on these forums preaching to a bunch of guys that:

A) "Will never change"

B) Don't care about your opinion
 
Bob Jewett said:
Jdale said:
what the h--l is skid
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Skid is a form of extreme throw probably due to chalk at the contact point of the cue ball and object ball. It definitely exists -- there are some very good examples in snooker videos. For more info, see the April column in http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/cols2009r.pdf
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For video demonstrations, other supporting resources, and advice on how to deal with or use cling/skid/kick, see:

Regards,
Dave
 
TheThaiger said:
:D

That's the same BBC that's the world's most prestigious broadcaster? The pinnacle of impartial journalism? The world's largest and most important broadcaster?

I'm sure they can spare one of their 23,000 staff to look into it for you, although it's a waste of time because few believe chalk is the primary cause of kicks any more.

Sorry, but as with a great many other things, you pool guys are a looong way behind the snooker guys. It's like living in another century around here at times. Frankly, it's no wonder America has 'lost' pool - it doesn't understand it, and simply will not change.
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Sorta makes you wonder why they still keep cleaning the white all the time and always after a kick, and I wonder what that nasty burn mark is that is always on the object ball after a kick.
I'm a snooker player and even I think your are clueless.
 
Slasher said:
Sorta makes you wonder why they still keep cleaning the white all the time and always after a kick, and I wonder what that nasty burn mark is that is always on the object ball after a kick.
I'm a snooker player and even I think your are clueless.
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They don't. The days of constant CB cleaning are long gone, because it, er, doesn't work.

I've always thought it'd be an interesting experiment to cover both balls with chalk, and record how many kicks you get. If it kicks every time, it's chalk, point proven.

Why don't you try it?
 
I'm going to try switching back to a conventional shaft and Master chalk for a while and see what happens.
 
Skidding or bad contact can throw your ball for a sh-t now matter what.Dirty conditions is the issue 99.9% of the time.It can be the balls most of the time picking up dirt from the cloth when rolling.Most of the time its happened to me is when I'm cutting a ball in.You know right away when it happens cause the object ball takes a funny spin that goes completely in the wrong direction and all the veins in my forehead look like there ready to burst:)
 
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