Skill level rating system!

skills test for pro ranking

How about this ?

A pro must be able to demonstrate a 50 ball run in 14.1 ?

or,

A pro is a player that has played in at least 3 pro events in one year ?

or,

my favorite is this one,,, to hell with limits, let EVERYONE play that wants to play and can afford the entry fee !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Since we're just talking here, lets just say a miracle happened, and there just happened to be 100 Diamond 10ft ProAm's spread out around this country which could be used for testing players for a world championship bank pool tournament, for the championship of the world:grin: then lets say there was 4 quarterly bank tournaments in which only the top 64 scores were allowed to compete, but before each quarterly tournament all players had to retest, but had 60 days to submit their best test scores, in the hopes of making the cut;) now, in all 4 quarterly tournaments, points are awarded, points being the total number of balls a player banks during each event;) after the last quarterly is finished, everyone in the world would then know beyond any shadow of doubt who the top 8 bank players on the planet would be, as they play off for the title, ''BANK KING OF THE WORLD'':grin:
 
realkingcobra said:
Since we're just talking here, lets just say a miracle happened, and there just happened to be 100 Diamond 10ft ProAm's spread out around this country which could be used for testing players for a world championship bank pool tournament, for the championship of the world:grin: then lets say there was 4 quarterly bank tournaments in which only the top 64 scores were allowed to compete, but before each quarterly tournament all players had to retest, but had 60 days to submit their best test scores, in the hopes of making the cut;) now, in all 4 quarterly tournaments, points are awarded, points being the total number of balls a player banks during each event;) after the last quarterly is finished, everyone in the world would then know beyond any shadow of doubt who the top 8 bank players on the planet would be, as they play off for the title, ''BANK KING OF THE WORLD'':grin:
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Or you could just engrave the trophy with the words "John Brumback" and save everyone a lot of time. :wink:
 
I don't think the problem is with Pro only events. The problem is Pros playing in "Less than Pro" events.

I could go "Pro" in virtually any sport but that only hurts me and my pocket book. But when pros are playing in amateur leagues and tournys, everyone gets hurt.
 
There is an exercise based on nine ball. Where you break, have ball in hand, and try and run out. You do this for ten racks. Find the average of that night and record it. You do this for ten weeks and add the results. This will take into account having a good night and a bad night. The nine ball is worth two points so it ends up being a ten point/ hundred point system.

I know some players that do this to measure their progress from year to year.

I am sure there is some book or dvd that has this info in it and who came up with it. I just don't know who did.
 
realkingcobra said:
I'm not talking about playing against any one else while taking the test;)
Here's an example, ''WORLD BANK POOL CHAMPIONSHIP'' PRO'S ONLY!!! In order to qualify, each player is required to bank as many balls as possible, and has 200 shots to do so on a Diamond 10ft ProAm, and in order to qualify for the event, their score must be in the top 256 highest scores posted;) this would separate all those who want to play, from those that should play;) leaving only the best of the best to compete:grin:
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Is there a problem that needs to be solved?

do we have too many pool players entered into the "Pro" events?


Maybe the pros LIKE to have to some "dead money" in their tournaments?
 
RRfireblade said:
I don't think the problem is with Pro only events. The problem is Pros playing in "Less than Pro" events.

I could go "Pro" in virtually any sport but that only hurts me and my pocket book. But when pros are playing in amateur leagues and tournys, everyone gets hurt.
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I think it's the other way around, which is why we don't have ''PRO'S ONLY'' tournaments, and therefore no sponsorship for ''PRO'' events;) because pool tournaments are really nothing more than a big ring game, sponcered mosty by entry fee money, thereby creating the need to let ANYONE play that is willing to pay to play, because in most cases, that's the cheap way of being able to play with the ''PRO'S''
 
Both golf and snooker have qualifying schools to earn the right to compete at the highest level, requires both the skills and the ability to produce under pressure.

Pool's governing body could run a qualifying school.

If pool had a governing body .............................
:grin:
 
realkingcobra said:
I think it's the other way around, which is why we don't have ''PRO'S ONLY'' tournaments, and therefore no sponsorship for ''PRO'' events;) because pool tournaments are really nothing more than a big ring game, sponcered mosty by entry fee money, thereby creating the need to let ANYONE play that is willing to pay to play, because in most cases, that's the cheap way of being able to play with the ''PRO'S''
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I guess we just disagree. There are no pro only other sports. Thats not the problem with pool IMO.
 
Scaramouche said:
Both golf and snooker have qualifying schools to earn the right to compete at the highest level, requires both the skills and the ability to produce under pressure.

Pool's governing body could run a qualifying school.

If pool had a governing body .............................
:grin:
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this.

i think pool should follow snooker's example. not even sure what they do but it seems to be working.

i love pool hundred times more than snooker. but snooker players look a lot more dignified in their tournaments.
 
Scaramouche said:
Both golf and snooker have qualifying schools to earn the right to compete at the highest level, requires both the skills and the ability to produce under pressure.

Pool's governing body could run a qualifying school.

If pool had a governing body .............................
:grin:
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Q school and now Web.com, are in place to limit the amount of Pros eligible to play in the PGA.

This is much different than just being a Pro or not.

Again, I don't see how keeping people out of Pro pool is beneficial to the sport.

Actually its arguable whether there are any true 'Pro' pool players at all as it is.

Although I have no problem with requiring qualifying for major events just as they do in other pro sports. (Tennis,Bowling,Golf,Etc) In fact, that should be a given.
 
realkingcobra said:
If golf and bowling, which are individual skill level games played, and to play them at ''PRO'' level, a skill level test is required to determine ''PRO'' level of play, why isn't some sort of skill level testing required for pool in order to determine what exactly is ''PRO'' level, ''SEMI PRO'' and all other amateurs?

Without some kind of skill level testing, pool will never have a ''PRO'S ONLY'' tour system, and will for ever be destined to be a mixed bag of players;)
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I am no expert, but I believe that in golf the Q school is actually a qualifier tourney. Taking that concept a pro billiards tour could have, for discussion sake, 24 regular pros with the remaining 8 made up from Q events held across the nation. Providing we are discussing a US tour.
 
RRfireblade said:
I guess we just disagree. There are no pro only other sports. Thats not the problem with pool IMO.
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Really??? How about Baseball, Basketball, Football, Bowling, Golf, Boxing, Nascar, as well as many other sports:rolleyes: you think you're watching the top amateurs competing at the top level of ANY of these sports on TV?
 
Pool has NO ladder system to separate the masses who play into identifying divisions such as ''PRO'', ''SEMI-PRO'', ''ADVANCED'', ''INTERMEDIATE'', It only has ''PRO'S'', ''SHORT STOPS'', ''LEAGUE PLAYERS'', and my favorite ''BANGERS''
 
Pool will never have the structure for a pro tour. Too many people are too busy trying to make money rather than promote pool for growth and viability. Of all the obstacles the pool player is the biggest. Rather than hustle, find backers and bum around freeloading, they need to promote the game with no expectations for immediate reward.

Where to start or how to create a true pro tour is the million dollar question. I don't see options other than through a national league like APA. They should have a pro tour with only qualified competitors obligated to promote APA and local leagues. Players graduate through the APA to one day qualify for the professional tour - OR - anyone willing to prove their abilities could join a Q-School.

It would take years, even decades to change the image of pool, gain TV ratings and have meaningful sponsorship. The only immediate hope is in Asian countries where pool appears to be a "sport" with the players idolized. Even there we see people getting shot, players not paid and tournaments cancelled.

Maybe pool is just better played for a beer on a bar table.
 
No, pool can be straighted out at the PRO level, but it's going to require a dictatorship kind of control over the sponsorship money, and ALL the ''PRO'S'', REGARDLESS of whom ever thinks they are in control of pool today;)
 
realkingcobra said:
Really??? How about Baseball, Basketball, Football, Bowling, Golf, Boxing, Nascar, as well as many other sports:rolleyes: you think you're watching the top amateurs competing at the top level of ANY of these sports on TV?
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Yea, really.

There's nothing stopping me from competing as a pro in anyone one of those sports.

The team sports you have to walk on at a farm team since its a bit late for a draft. ;) NASCAR you'd just have to get hired.

Bowling, Tennis, Golf, I just pay my fees and I'm a pro.

In fact technically, I'm a Pro in all of those already as I've already played in Pro events of those 3 sports.

Like I said , the only seperation is what you call yourself.
 
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RRfireblade said:
Yea, really.

Bowling, Tennis, Golf, I just pay my fees and I'm a pro.

In fact technically, I'm a Pro in all of those already as I've already played in Pro events of those 3 sports.
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Not really that simple:rolleyes:

Straight from the PBA:

Many amateurs have bowled good games and thought, “I just bowled a better score than the pros did on TV this week—I should become a pro bowler.”

It’s not nearly that simple, but it is possible.

Qualification Requirements

Before you can even consider applying for membership, you must fulfill at least one of three qualifications:
1.Average 200 or better, with a minimum of 36 games bowled, in your most recent league season.
2.Average 190 or better in a USBC-sanctioned sport league.
3.Cash in a PBA Regional tournament as a non-member.

From the PGA:

Qualifying
Qualifying as a PGA professional is done via two routes. The first, and most popular, is by becoming a registered assistant at a PGA recognised golf facility where trainees complete a three year Foundation Degree in Professional Golf Studies, accredited by the University of Birmingham. The degree involves working through study guides, assignments, residential weeks at the National Training Academy at the PGA's Belfry headquarters, exams and attaining coaching awards. Among the subjects studied are golf coaching, sports science, equipment technology, business management, marketing, golf rules and tournament administration.

The second route into the PGA is via a three year BA Hons Degree in Applied Golf Management Studies at the University of Birmingham. The AGMS is the first degree of its kind in the UK and is ideal for golfers interested in pursuing senior managerial roles in golf.

To find out more about how to become a PGA professional including entry requirements follow the links for Applied Golf Management Studies and Foundation Degree.
 
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