Sky weighs in on WPA...

jokrswylde

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Seems like Sky is a man of integrity. BTW, the comments on this post are overwhelmingly in support of this stance.
 

benjaminwah

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Bravo Sky. I thought It was weird Fedor is all about it but his girl competed in the women's event in New Zealand, wasn't that a WPA event also??
 

jax_joe

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Yet Baido is playing it. LMAO

Some of these players that cut and pasted that stupid take a stand post are just nits. Stick to playing pool. Not to mention you have a bit of bias when you declare you are a "wnt player".
 
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sjm

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When playing pool politics means forgoing income that would otherwise accrue to oneself or one's family, who are we to tell pro players to do so? Pool pros are not WNT employees, but instead outside contractors making a fairly modest income and it should not be expected of them.

Each player must make his own decisions regarding event participation, and as far as I'm concerned, they can change their mind every day if they like. It is not incumbent on any player to ride the favored political winds. Event participation decisions are often made at the last minute, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

I certainly respect and admire Sky and all the WNT pros who choose to forgo income opportunities to try to make a stand in favor of other pros, but expecting all pool players to act as a single unit in any matter is unrealistic and maybe even unprecedented.

There are two sides to this coin, and I'm tired of the holier-than-thou types that want to brand some players as disloyal. The players are forced to juggle their loyalties between event producers, federations, and sponsors and each is faced with a slightly different challenge. Predator sponsored players like Ouschan and Filler have the toughest decisions to make given that Predator is so tightly tied to WPA.

Let's have a little compassion for the players, who continue to be pawns in the dirty politics of others in our less-than-united sport.
 

BasementDweller

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When playing pool politics means forgoing income that would otherwise accrue to oneself or one's family, who are we to tell pro players to do so? Pool pros are not WNT employees, but instead outside contractors making a fairly modest income and it should not be expected of them.

Each player must make his own decisions regarding event participation, and as far as I'm concerned, they can change their mind every day if they like. It is not incumbent on any player to ride the favored political winds. Event participation decisions are often made at the last minute, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

I certainly respect and admire Sky and all the WNT pros who choose to forgo income opportunities to try to make a stand in favor of other pros, but expecting all pool players to act as a single unit in any matter is unrealistic and maybe even unprecedented.

There are two sides to this coin, and I'm tired of the holier-than-thou types that want to brand some players as disloyal. The players are forced to juggle their loyalties between event producers, federations, and sponsors and each is faced with a slightly different challenge. Predator sponsored players like Ouschan and Filler have the toughest decisions to make given that Predator is so tightly tied to WPA.

Let's have a little compassion for the players, who continue to be pawns in the dirty politics of others in our less-than-united sport.
All this is true and the politics of pool can certainly be confusing. What's not confusing is keeping your word. That part is simple. Can players make mistakes and change their position? Sure, but to keep their integrity intact they should simply explain their dilemma, which they may have done anyway (not sure since I haven't followed this saga all that closely).

I am a bit on the skeptical side when it comes to Matchroom's desire to enrich the players. Barry Hearn has been reluctant to spread the wealth on the snooker side and his stated position is he thinks the top players deserve thre lion's share of the winnings. So I think it would be wise for the players to sit on the fence if they can because I just don't envision a scenario where there are more than 10-20 players making a good living as strictly WNT pros.

So while I'm as guilty as anyone of being critical toward the WPA, the players may actually need them to eek out a living.
 

sjm

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What's not confusing is keeping your word.
Yours is an well-reasoned, excellent post, outlining some of the tricky aspects of the moment for the pros in our sport, but this statement doesn't make sense. It is hardly incumbent on any player to pre-announce what they will and will not play in, and if they change their mind after publicizing a decision, who other than the event producer is affected?

Pro pool has no motto, no credo, no prime directive and each must manage their career as they please.
 

Scrunge19

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In my opinion, pool isn’t far enough along in its current journey to fault
When playing pool politics means forgoing income that would otherwise accrue to oneself or one's family, who are we to tell pro players to do so? Pool pros are not WNT employees, but instead outside contractors making a fairly modest income and it should not be expected of them.

Each player must make his own decisions regarding event participation, and as far as I'm concerned, they can change their mind every day if they like. It is not incumbent on any player to ride the favored political winds. Event participation decisions are often made at the last minute, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

I certainly respect and admire Sky and all the WNT pros who choose to forgo income opportunities to try to make a stand in favor of other pros, but expecting all pool players to act as a single unit in any matter is unrealistic and maybe even unprecedented.

There are two sides to this coin, and I'm tired of the holier-than-thou types that want to brand some players as disloyal. The players are forced to juggle their loyalties between event producers, federations, and sponsors and each is faced with a slightly different challenge. Predator sponsored players like Ouschan and Filler have the toughest decisions to make given that Predator is so tightly tied to WPA.

Let's have a little compassion for the players, who continue to be pawns in the dirty politics of others in our less-than-united sport.
Not to gas you up too much but I’m often impressed at how well you’re able to articulate the thoughts/feelings I have on a subject. I guess that’s why I’m an excel jockey instead of a writer.
 
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Hungarian

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Looks like it is a 2-year total. You can download a chart showing all the events included in the current rankings. The link is at the bottom of the rankings page: https://matchroompool.com/world-rankings/
Thanks for the link. This is what I thought. Only two players making $100k plus. Only nine players making $50k plus. And most are close to or below the poverty level. If you decided that pro pool is for you and you think you can make a "decent" living, you can't miss events.

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kling&allen

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Yours is an well-reasoned, excellent post, outlining some of the tricky aspects of the moment for the pros in our sport, but this statement doesn't make sense. It is hardly incumbent on any player to pre-announce what they will and will not play in, and if they change their mind after publicizing a decision, who other than the event producer is affected?

Pro pool has no motto, no credo, no prime directive and each must manage their career as they please.

You've changed my mind on this point, but the gripe with with Filler is:

1) he said one thing to his fans; did the opposite
2) his fans said "what's happened"
3) filler said f-u fans, mind your business, "I want a trophy."

Compare this with Albin, who at #3 said "sorry, I had to do this for my sponsors."

Don't forget at the end of the day the players don't get paid anything (or at least Matchroom money) if people don't watch. But maybe a heel is good for viewership. Mosconi cup will have some extra heat this year.
 

straightline

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Yet Baido is playing it. LMAO

Some of these players that cut and pasted that stupid take a stand post are just nits. Stick to playing pool. Not to mention you have a bit of bias when you declare you are a "wnt player".
I was reading about Greg/Craig Stevens elsewhere and seems somebody handed his ass to him so he loaded up on fukital and hit balls till he got that right.
 
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