Slip stroke and stroke slip are not the same .
In a programming language no.Slip stroke and stroke slip are not the same .
so painful....
Sounds like you use a stroke slip rather than a slip stroke.... In my stroke, without wax, the cue slips forward through my hand.
Yes indeed, I now realize I have a "retarded stroke slip". Thanks to everyone for your help. In the grand scheme of things, this knowledge means little, but it means a lot to me. I suspect I developed this method because I tried to cradle the cue as loosely as possible in my hand. (This evolved from my experiment with a two or three finger grip which I read about in a library book approximately 40 years ago. I never got comfortable with the two or three finger grip, but the concept of minimal hand/finger involvement made sense and stuck with me.) Like I've said many times before, without wax on my wrap, I would be throwing my cue down table. With wax, I am able to cradle the cue very loosely but not throw the cue.Sounds like you use a stroke slip rather than a slip stroke.
Slip stroke — The grip hand slips back on the butt just prior to the forward stroke at the cue ball.Stroke slip — As the forward stroke at the cue ball is executed, the cue slips through the grip hand to some degree (a “throw” or “release and catch”).
What exactly do you mean by "reacts better"...?The benefit that I perceive from a loose grip is twofold: first, the CB reacts better with a loose grip, and......
What exactly do you mean by "reacts better"...?
This forum has so many conflicting theories that it's tough to follow at times....
"Science" says that the amount of spin you get depends entirely on where you hit the CB - no "stroke quality" matters except accuracy. So you must be improving your stroke's accuracy with the looser grip.For me: the looser my grip the better spin and english I get. Conversely, a tight grip inhibits spin and english. Others are welcome to their opinions, I just know what happens in my game.
". . . second, a loose grip allows the cue to travel on it its linear path with less interference. (Stating number two differently: a loose grip does not transfer deleterious movement to the cue as readily as a tight grip.)" Errant movement is "connected" through a tight grip. A loose grip provides a "cushion" or margin accomodating error between the body/arm/hand and cue."Science" says that the amount of spin you get depends entirely on where you hit the CB - no "stroke quality" matters except accuracy. So you must be improving your stroke's accuracy with the looser grip.
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For me: the looser my grip the better spin and english I get. Conversely, a tight grip inhibits spin and english. Others are welcome to their opinions, I just know what happens in my game.
...What about velocity. The difference is more likely to a "whippy" snap of his wrist combined with forearm movement. Accuracy sure, but I am curious as how much difference would be derived from say a millimeter or two of less spin."Science" says that the amount of spin you get depends entirely on where you hit the CB - no "stroke quality" matters except accuracy. So you must be improving your stroke's accuracy with the looser grip.
I believe that more speed can be delivered by a well timed "snap" of the wrist. It makes perfect sense physically. The tip of a whip breaks the sound barrier. Try to do that with a rigid pole...Of course even more speed can be generated by dropping the elbow, standing up as to make the arm a long lever etc...The problem is then: how important is that extra bit of speed, and how much accuracy are you willing to potentially lose? That is a question for every player to answer for themselves. I know that with a very rigid wrist (which follows from a death grip) it is very difficult to get power without elbow drop. Players who advocate a death grip, also drop their elbows, typically. Many players do both, snap wrists and drop their elbows....What about velocity. The difference is more likely to a "whippy" snap of his wrist combined with forearm movement. Accuracy sure, but I am curious as how much difference would be derived from say a millimeter or two of less spin.
Oh for sure... no different then taking a step forward while throwing a ball. Countless examples of compound movements to generate velocity.I believe that more speed can be delivered by a well timed "snap" of the wrist. It makes perfect sense physically.
"Science" says that the amount of spin you get depends entirely on where you hit the CB - no "stroke quality" matters except accuracy.
Yes, some wrist action can add (a little) speed to the stroke, but that increases RPMs and speed together, not spin-to-speed ratio (which is the factor that matters to spin "effect" - change of direction off a rail). And you can get the same effect by simply stroking a little faster....What about velocity.
Describing the technique doesn't nullify the genre which is, slipstroke.Sounds like you use a stroke slip rather than a slip stroke.
Slip stroke — The grip hand slips back on the butt just prior to the forward stroke at the cue ball.Stroke slip — As the forward stroke at the cue ball is executed, the cue slips through the grip hand to some degree (a “throw” or “release and catch”).
Makes sense to me... I wonder though. How much additional cue tip speed can be generated by snapping the wrist.Yes, some wrist action can add (a little) speed to the stroke, but that increases RPMs and speed together, not spin-to-speed ratio (which is the factor that matters to spin "effect" - change of direction off a rail). And you can get the same effect by simply stroking a little faster.
Try using only the wrist to propel the CB: get in stance with the tip at the CB (forearm straight up & down) and hit the CB by moving only your wrist. You might be surprised at how little speed you can add that way. The "whipsnap" effect doesn't work with your arm/wrist.How much additional cue tip speed can be generated by snapping the wrist.
Reverse slip stroke. Fun technique.