Slop vs No Slop Rules

Slop vs No Slop


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I’m amazed. This guy is the king of trolls. My hat’s off to you sir.

And his MO is so predictable: post 'simple' question, allow discussions to occur, add parameters to the original issue and let everyone know they were wrong in their discussions, coz they didn't consider the issue with the added parameters.

And then get her panties all In a bunch over the matter she created.

And then WORST OF ALL, she calls ez-e a clown. That is some damn-slammy jammy rammyaids.
 
My earliest years playing were in the 1970s playing 14.1, so I prefer strict call pocket in all games, even 9-ball. Call pocket / Call Safe 10-ball is the ultimate rotation game for higher skilled players, in my opinion.

Agree 100%
There is no reason to lose or win sets on a couple rolls...which often determine the outcome of an otherwise competitive set. Guy misses bad sticks you with a couple balls on the table in 9 ball...just agony.
 
Agree 100%
There is no reason to lose or win sets on a couple rolls...which often determine the outcome of an otherwise competitive set. Guy misses bad sticks you with a couple balls on the table in 9 ball...just agony.

I played it like that! It was a natural: 4 balls, 10 rails and 27 feet traveled, lock you up!

Much easier than running out.

Haha, but really, decent players rarely go full pooltard like that. Hacks, yes.

And that is why hacks play 9b. Far less predictable than other games.
 
“Two way shot” appears to have different meanings
The most-used definition of "two-way" I've heard is leaving the CB with position for the next ball while hiding it from the first one (in case you miss). I don't think any rule (except the old pushout rule) makes that impossible.

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Ah, now I get it. Thought it was just the name of the game and you could still shoot at 6 pockets, Duh! Big time fool
Well, you still have a point since there are many shots in one pocket in which you might pocket any of two or three (or maybe four) balls in your pocket so slop still occurs. It is very much a part of the calculation on many shots.
 
And his MO is so predictable: post 'simple' question, allow discussions to occur, add parameters to the original issue and let everyone know they were wrong in their discussions, coz they didn't consider the issue with the added parameters.

^^^ wow, trolls all over the world are gonna come after you for posting the troll secret formula on a open forum........

You need to lay low for a couple months ;);)
 
I believe this used to be called the Grady Rule. During a tournament that Grady ran if you missed and snookered your opponent he had the option of making you shoot again.

r/DCP
 
Since I play/practice mostly Straight Pool these days I think that answers itself.
 
I played it like that! It was a natural: 4 balls, 10 rails and 27 feet traveled, lock you up!

Much easier than running out.

Haha, but really, decent players rarely go full pooltard like that. Hacks, yes.

And that is why hacks play 9b. Far less predictable than other games.

The pros win like this too...just play 10 ball. Was nice a few years back when it looked like the game was moving to 10 ball.
 
Conceptually, I appreciate called shot. Practically, I prefer the simplicity of not calling shots. Without an official, there is simply too much room for disagreement with called shot games, especially when the rule is that you only have to call "non-obvious" shots. I would rather my opponent slop in a ball here or there than deal with the potential controversy that comes with called shot. That said, American Rotation (a called shot game) is one of my favorite games, but I only play it with people I know.
 
I consider nothing simplistic, but I didn't see a reason to specify a game because I'm referring to any pool game. Feel free to name a game and then write your answer accordingly. You can give a different answer for every game. But in the poll I'm mostly talking about preference of either of the two concepts in general.

By rules 9 ball is slop, just about everything else is called shot outside of leagues and random bar rules. You can't just say one or the other because cue games are not a single game but quite a few pretty different games played on similar equipment. There is not much that is the same between 9 ball and one pocket and 14.1 or banks or 3 ball aside from the basic rules like "hit with the tip end of the cue". How you score and how you play can be very different.

I doubt that any real players would prefer playing not calling a pocket vs called shot in any game, and many would rather play 9 ball called shot as well, or at least call the 9.
 
Slop has its place, I play in the APA and get lucky every now and again. It's a part of the game and of their rules. I hate getting beat on a slop shot but it is what it is. Slop does help lower handicap players beat higher handicap players making it more fair for everyone so I'm ok with it.

I prefer no slop, call pocket type pool because it brings out more of the skill in a players game. Not a fan of calling everything that could happen on a shot because I hate to see multi rail banks considered missed because it did or didn't hit the ball sitting in the pocket. To me that's just silly. The ball went where I wanted it to, where I called it, does it really matter if it kissed off of the ball sitting right there if it was going to go in anyway?

But, either way, I just love to play the game regardless of the rules we play by on any given night!!!
 
The most-used definition of "two-way" I've heard is leaving the CB with position for the next ball while hiding it from the first one (in case you miss). I don't think any rule (except the old pushout rule) makes that impossible.



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The "option" common in 10 ball does. This is where the opponent has the option to give the shot back if you call a shot and crap safe, or call safe and make a ball.

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The "option" common in 10 ball does. This is where the opponent has the option to give the shot back if you call a shot and crap safe, or call safe and make a ball.

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I think that’s only true if you make an uncalled ball (like your second example), and then it’s a push out. If you just miss your shot the opponent has to shoot - so two-ways work unless you slop something in.

pj
chgo
 
It intrigues me how simplistic you think the situation is....two choices huh?
...that's it for every billiard game?

Two choices? Ha! You're lucky that you get two choices. Why, when I was a kid we were thankful if we got one choice. Plus, we had to walk three miles around the pool table to get to our next shot. And we liked it!
 
Edit: by "no slop" I meant shot calling in general, i.e. both "call pocket" and "call everything"

Lmao, I get this at bars that play "bar rules". I always laugh, can you show me "bar rules" somewhere?

Call everything? Then if the ob hits the rail incidently a half an inch from the pocket and goes in, is that a good shot? Most would say yes. If a a ball hits the rail close to a diamond away from the pocket is that a good shot? Some would say no and over a diamond away, most would say no.

I've played at a friend's place. It's call everything. Make a ball inadvertently, comes out and is spotted or a ball sunk illegally cause it wasn't called correctly.

That's dumb, I could intentionally get balls spotted just to screw the opponent.

Also, I see shots made including my own, that I felt should have been pulled. Who has the keenest eye?

I can play stupid safes by playing bar rules/call shot crap.

Call pocket, makes so much sense. If I'm in a bar w loud music I don't have to go outside w my opponent and give a dissertation on how the shot is gonna go. Call pocket is a clear way to end arguments. Great for amateur play, specifically league play where there is no ref.

How many times I've seen threads on here about how to improve pool's image. Fighting is a big part of pool's bad image.

As for pro play, I don't see many pros slopping shots in much. Every once in a great while. Not anywhere near the amount that would require rule changes.
 
I didn't vote because I play it both ways. In BCA it is call pocket, call safe. In that situation I can call a safe and still make the ball.

I also play 8 ball Texas Express rules where everything counts. But if you want to play a safe and make a ball, it counts and you have to shoot again.

So I play both just fine. No issues with either one.
 
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