Slow Death of pool

Rec Centers

It seems that things go in cycles and I learned to play pool in Recreation Centers and they seemed to be everywhere in the 70s. I cant help but wonder if there isn't a way reinvent that concept. If you can get kids together on a Fri, Sat night and a few more during the week and a pool table is there then bingo you have some action.

That's the kind of action I think we need.

Yesterday it was foosball, pinball, skeeball and pool

So today what could it be? I think if we find a way to get the kids together then someone might have a new business where kids congregate and pool is played by people thirsty for the game.
 
Young Kids are no long wanting to play Pool, it is 2013, and kids want to play video games, be on the computer, surf the net, have a cell phone so they can text friend, and share their lives on facebook.

It is not 1954 when we stool inline waiting our turn at the local Boys Club, or YMCA to play Pool.

Still can not convince you times have changed. When I was in High School the School Nurse gave out Aspirin, put Band-Aids on Cuts, and call your parents if you got sick in school.

Today the School spend time calling 911 after fight on campus with weapons that got passed the metal directors, she has a draw full of condoms she gives out to prevent pregnancy, and is tell kids about STD's & AIDS.

I see grandparents bring their grandkids into our nice pool room, maybe 5 in 100 give a S*** about playing Pool. The other 95 can not put down their cell phones, or video games long enough to play Pool.

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Love that old photo....:thumbup:

 
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You Don't Have To Be 21 To Play Pool :)

I don't know what may, or may not, revive pool, but this is the way it was when I started playing...and when pool was STILL quite a POPULAR game.

I grew up in Southeast Missouri at a time when EVERY bar and place that sold alcohol required you to be 21 to enter unless you were with your parents.

Fortunately for me (or unfortunately in some people's eyes), I lived almost across the street from the ONLY "real" pool hall in town and I used to sneak in and watch people play until they would spot me and throw me out. This place had a bar, drive-in liquor store, 10 or so regular tables, 3 snooker tables, and later a bar table. The only other place to play in a pool room atmosphere was a "kiddie land" type joint on the other side of town, quite a few miles away. It catered to kids and families and there was no alcohol. Outside of these two places, the only places to play were in one of the dozen or so bars around the town.

The owner of the pool hall finally got tired of throwing me out and gave me a job cleaning tables, sweeping the floor, racking balls, etc. for $1 an hour, plus all the FREE pool I could play when I was 12 or 13. The town was small (10,000 or so) and he knew all the police so nobody ever bothered me or him about me being in there.

After getting a job there, I became even MORE infatuated with the game and spent almost ALL my non-school hours and Saturdays there (it was closed on Sundays). Over the course of 2 or 3 years, I evolved from a being a "banger" to being able to play so well that NOBODY in the town would play me EVEN-UP by the time I was 15 or 16. During the school season, I was playing around 8 hours a day, EVERY day, except for Sundays. During the summers, I played even more hours a day.

The owner became my backer and he would stake me against anyone who came in to play. He had a standing instruction for me to QUIT working at any time somebody would come in and want to gamble. He told me to take whatever money I needed out of the register and make the game and play.

We also travelled around the area to different towns with bars and pool halls and he would take me in and say, "this young kid will play anybody in here for the money" and we would go from there. Out of the many times this happened, I can only remember a couple of times that we didn't leave winners.

When I wasn't travelling with him, I had several other backers that would take me around to various places. I was so well known in the MAJORITY of the bars, that they wouldn't bat an eye when I came in and they also served me alcohol out in the open.

As a matter of fact, I sat at the bar in the Shiloh Lounge with the Dunklin County Prosecuting Attorney at the time...Charley Cable was his name I think...we bought each other drinks when I was in my teens. Same goes for my high school teachers...we would be in the same bars until midnight or later and then see each other in school the next day. For what it's worth, I managed to do this and stilll stay on the National Honor Society roles in school.

When I was 15 or so, I had already played numerous players games of one-pocket or snooker for $100 a game and games of 9-ball for up to $20-50 a game and races for several hundred. This was in the late 60s and early 70s when $100 was more than most people's weekly paycheck.

I never expected a "set" percentage of the winnings for playing, but I also never had to pay anything back should I lose (which was VERY, VERY rare). He usually gave me 10-20% of the winnings, which more than satisfied me because I loved the game and the competition...especally against players who were WAY older than me and who were SUPPOSEDLY able to beat a skinny 15-year old.

I can remember my mother coming into my room one morning to get my clothes to put in the laundry. When she emptied out my pockets, she found about $1,500 in my jeans and was SURE that I had robbed somebody or some place until I convinced her that I won it playing pool. I always used that argument when my parents urged me to get a job. I would counter with the fact that my older brother worked full-time at the local ice plant and he didn't make $100 a week..

I think that may have been the most money (my cut) I had ever made after a single night of shooting pool back then. I can remember playing this match until this day, even though it was more than 40 years ago. I was playing a guy named Jimbo Harris and his backer was some local farmer with a lot of money who seemed to think Jimbo was the man to beat.

We played in Herman Trout's Motel in Holcomb, MO. The motel had a diner-type restaurant in front with a bar table and it was open 24-hours a day. If anybody knows of this place, they know that card games, dice, whoring, drug selling, and every other kind of activity was going on in the back rooms a lot of the time...most of the time, in fact. If you want to read more about Herman and his motel, check out this link. It will give you an idea of the kind of places and people I was around during my formative years of pool playing...LMAO.

http://crimemagazine.uitest.info/wake-riot

(Here is an excerpt from the story in the link above:
"Creighton was dead. But Herman Trout was living in Holcomb, Mo. He owned a motel there, and was rumored to be running a poker game and being involved in other illegal activities. A few years earlier he'd murdered a man, and had gotten off with a $500 fine and jail time.
I called down there, and Mrs. Trout said Herman had suffered a stroke and couldn't talk to me. She said Trout didn't even remember being in prison, and suggested I direct my questions to Raymond Scott, sheriff of Dunklin County, Mo.
So I went to Holcomb, a sleepy little town in the Missouri bootheel, and checked into the Trout motel. I went to the local tavern/pool hall and casually asked about Trout. He was well known in those parts, but the people were reticent about discussing him.")


Me and Jimbo played 9-ball, 2-shot push out, on the bar table from about 9 PM one night until about noon the following day before they either ran out of money or quit. Jimbo was no slouch, but I was easily beating him 2 or 3 games to every 1 that he managed to win.

My backer, and several others were making side bets all during the match. I don't know exactly what my true winnings were, but it was in the SEVERAL thousands and I was given $1,500 for playing.

As well as I played at the time, I NEVER ONCE entered one of the tournaments at the "kiddy land" pool hall that my backer also owned. I had no desire for trophies or what little money they paid out and I had a standing offer to play the winner at MY pool hall for whatever money they wanted. VERY FEW ever came my way.

I know that Country Calvin and his brother (catpool9 on here) know of this area and its going ons at the time because Calvin has played at some of the same places in this area. Action places were the Cardwell Country Club in Cardwell MO, the 108 Club in Arbyrd MO, the Sportsman's Club in Kennett MO, the Idle Hour bar in Haiti MO, and several other bars throughout the region. I also used to drive to the Longbranch (or Longhorn) Club in Dyersburg TN to gamble on occasions and to Collinsville IL (right down the road from where Minnesota Fats lived and where the Jansco Brothers held their yearly tournaments).

I think I have rambled on a bit too long here, but I guess the moral of the storyI was trying to convey is "you don't have to wait until you are 21 to begin playing pool, no matter what the law says".

Aloha.
 
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I know and I'm sorry to hear that my friend.....luckily, in my town we were allowed to go in the pool hall at 7 years old and that's when I started.

There were several places I wanted to go that I wasn't allowed though...and it got me in some "hot water" ...... I also had a miniature table at my house that I spent hours playing on with my imaginary friends. ;)

I bet you also had many suppose to be uncles or dads who got you into many spots. I know I had several when I started playing in bars at 17.
 
I bet you also had many suppose to be uncles or dads who got you into many spots. I know I had several when I started playing in bars at 17.

Yes, I had many fake IDs too along the way. One of them I went by, "mike hulse" for 3 years.....never using my own name except with close friends, I assumed his identity....these days that would be looked down on. ;)
 
macguy...Not only that, but many fast food places have a 30 minute time limit that is posted. Like you said, they don't want people hanging around, and they go out of their way to make it that way.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Tell you something funny about fast food places. They don't want you hanging around, eat and get out. I was told this when a friend of mine was managing a Taco Bell. I was there and mentioned how uncomfortable the booths were. They are molded plastic. First thought is they are easier to clean, but that is not why. They have figured out a person can only sit there for about 15 minutes before it becomes to uncomfortable to keep sitting there. They don't want people sitting for an hours discussing the world sipping a soda because they have no where to go right now. 15 minutes and they are gone.
 
Gary Indiana is more known for murder than pool. I don't think a casino in that town is a good litmus test of what pool's heart monitor looks like.
 
Young Kids are no long wanting to play Pool, it is 2013, and kids want to play video games, be on the computer, surf the net, have a cell phone so they can text friend, and share their lives on facebook.

It is not 1954 when we stool inline waiting our turn at the local Boys Club, or YMCA to play Pool.

Still can not convince you times have changed. When I was in High School the School Nurse gave out Aspirin, put Band-Aids on Cuts, and call your parents if you got sick in school.

Today the School spend time calling 911 after fight on campus with weapons that got passed the metal directors, she has a draw full of condoms she gives out to prevent pregnancy, and is tell kids about STD's & AIDS.

I see grandparents bring their grandkids into our nice pool room, maybe 5 in 100 give a S*** about playing Pool. The other 95 can not put down their cell phones, or video games long enough to play Pool.

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Love that old photo....:thumbup:


I'm completely aware the times have changed. I personally belong to that new generation and I can say from personal experience: a large portion of kids wants to play pool. And they will play it, but only if tables are in plain sight and they don't have to walk for more than 5-10 mins to find them. It also has to be a bar offering good music and alchohol while playing. Another important factor is money. Kids HATE spending it on such things like pool, they want to save it for drinks, clothes, video games, food, cigarettes and evetything else which is so much more important in their lives. That's why pool should be cheaper in bars, or allow you free table time if you buy a drink. Regular low-fee tournaments would interest most better players among those kids. Everyone wants to be the best and win some money in the process, even if it's not much.
 
Yeah, right...kids in bars! LMAO You really do not have a clue. Playing pool is not about playing for money...most especially with kids.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I'm completely aware the times have changed. I personally belong to that new generation and I can say from personal experience: a large portion of kids wants to play pool. And they will play it, but only if tables are in plain sight and they don't have to walk for more than 5-10 mins to find them. It also has to be a bar offering good music and alchohol while playing. Another important factor is money. Kids HATE spending it on such things like pool, they want to save it for drinks, clothes, video games, food, cigarettes and evetything else which is so much more important in their lives. That's why pool should be cheaper in bars, or allow you free table time if you buy a drink. Regular low-fee tournaments would interest most better players among those kids. Everyone wants to be the best and win some money in the process, even if it's not much.
 
Yeah, right...kids in bars! LMAO You really do not have a clue. Playing pool is not about playing for money...most especially with kids.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I'm not saying 10 year olds go to bars, by "kids" I was mostly referring to teens. I'm not advocating gambling, I'm saying that many young people would enjoy participating in a tournament and potentially winning the prize if the entrance fee was low enough. And for younger kids there would always be those pool clubs and regular pool halls, as well as tables in some schools here and there.
 
Bringing Kids especially small ones into a Bar environment is not a good thing IMHO. Some States have specific LAWS regarding Kids under 21 in a BAR with No Kitchen and Food Service, so laws on that varies from State to State.

As far as Kids Gambling on their Skill at Pool, back in the 1950's when I played Pool at the Boys Club of America, in Miami Florida.

Where we had NO GWIRLS, GAMBLING WAS AGAINST THE RULES, had it not been I would have been a member in good standing, not a member who was frequently suspended for gambling.

Yes I got rich taking the other kids drink money a penny at a time, and many times came home walk slow burdened down with a pocket full of pennies, and nickels. If I did not blow my winning on Candy Bar & 8.5 Oz Coke-A-Cola’s coming home high than a kit on a 100’ string, on sugar.

LOL

BTW having been around the Boy & Girl Clubs in Metro Phoenix, they do have under utilized Pool Table. But the kids most from “poor” homes stand in line to get on the few computers. Video games are king. Pool takes practice, skill, patients, and doesn’t give the rush of killing someone on a violent video game. My step grandson who is 8 is addicted to some game called Minecraft, his 5 y/o couzin is also addicted to Minecraft.
 
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I won my first tourney at age of 10. It was state championship from boys and girls club. House cues, fluffy cloth with little nubs all over it. Balls that were rough as sand paper. One piece of chalk that was bolted to the wall. Light with one bulb. (we were in the hood)
It was one of the greatest times of my life. I still think about it, still shoot with a couple of those guys.
 
I won my first tourney at age of 10. It was state championship from boys and girls club. House cues, fluffy cloth with little nubs all over it. Balls that were rough as sand paper. One piece of chalk that was bolted to the wall. Light with one bulb. (we were in the hood)
It was one of the greatest times of my life. I still think about it, still shoot with a couple of those guys.

Things are different in the USA, it is not the 50's any longer. It is not just Pool, it is the closing of Mom & Pop business in favorite of large corporate owned stores.

My older cousin had three pharmacies along Ventura Boulevard in the San Fernando Valley of LA County. Studio City, Sherman Oaks, and last Encino. Today non are left, you have Wal-Greens, and CVS in almost every community.

Wal-Marts, Big 5, Dicks, Home Depot, and LOWES are the names that replaced the neighborhood locally own retail businesses.

Neighborhood don't have shopping districts, they are replaced by Malls with Corporate Owner retail Operations.

When was the last time you bought Gasoline, and some High School ids came out, greeted you with Regular, or Ethel? Pumped r gas, check your oil, checked your tire pressure, and made sure you Windshield was CLEAN. Hell I can not even find a place on weekend to get in in my tires.

My other cousin had a whole sale business in LA, he was a Manufactures Representative who represented small fabric mills. He was the guy who sold cloth to the garment industry. All his client moved off shore, and he has no one to call upon. The same is true in the NY garment industry. Production has moved to China, Vietnam, Jordan, Seri Lanka, Pakistan, etc.,etc., etc., and the ladies who use to sew your clothing together in the USA are not at their sewing machines no more.

The World is changing, and businesses who don't change, spend money on advertising, and market to those with expendable income, are left in the dust.
 
The real pool killer is our economy people don't have the disposable income presently.

That's not going to change. The US is in denial.

India and China have contaminated the world with overpopulation. Cheaper wages for 2.5 billion (combined) desperate people, and US corps all too happy to exploit.

Heck the US sealed its reputation in the past couple weeks. We narrowly escaped having China (1.3. Billion people) knock on our door asking for their money. We escaped with "just" their lowering our credit rating.

Disposable income? Forget about it. the US is more like deadbeats looking to rob. I'm a proud 4th generation US citizen, 6 year Vet, not disillusioned by the media.
 
I have lots of teacher-friends and public schools have neither the money nor space for pool tables.

I think the answer is pool teams at colleges and universities, cf. Mark Wilson's college program I keep hearing about. (Couldn't find any information about it online, though.)

Mike
 
I agree. I cannot stand to watch most of the live streams out there because the announcers just ruin it for me. They seem to feel that the broadcast is a private party for them and their little bands of chat buddies. This seems to be especially true of the FREE streamers. While it may be their right to present their stream any way they want since they are offering it for free; they present nothing at all that will promote the sport beyond their already existent little audience. For instance: they do not properly introduce the contestants to the audience by giving some background on them and telling what they did to lead up to the current event, but instead, assume that everyone listening already knows everything about the players and that they just tuned in to listen to meaningless small talk from the announcers, and to participate in the worthless banter that goes on between them and the chat room.

The PPV streamers are a little more professional than the free streamers (and that's probably because they are getting paid for their broadcast), but not by a whole lot. Most of them still have a long way to go before they will be able to attract anything more than the die-hard pool groupies. The Bonus Ball crew came the closest to getting it right.

Other than Bonus Ball, about the only way I can watch a live stream is to mute the sound, turn off the chat, and just keep an eye on the scoreboard (if they'll even be so kind as to keep THAT current).

Roger


I couldn't possibly agree more. The last one I watched with the sound on was a tyical blowhard and a chickenheaded idiot named Robin who couldn't stop selling kamui products long enough to even keep track of the score. It was such a turn off that I took all of my cues and had the kamui tips changed just for the pleasure of throwing them in the trash. They weren't that great anyway.
90% of all pool commentary today is horrible, and horrible doesn't seem like enough of a word to do it justice. Ear rape is more like it, total turn off, does more to push people away from pool than it ever did to bring anyone in. Not that the blowhards and chickenheads care, tho.
 
'Two Shot Shoot Out' would be much better because it's much more strategic.

I couldn't possibly agree more. The last one I watched with the sound on was a tyical blowhard and a chickenheaded idiot named Robin who couldn't stop selling kamui products long enough to even keep track of the score. It was such a turn off that I took all of my cues and had the kamui tips changed just for the pleasure of throwing them in the trash. They weren't that great anyway.
90% of all pool commentary today is horrible, and horrible doesn't seem like enough of a word to do it justice. Ear rape is more like it, total turn off, does more to push people away from pool than it ever did to bring anyone in. Not that the blowhards and chickenheads care, tho.

They are not linguistically trained so they have to rely on trying to predict what the players will shoot. This strategy is monotonous at best and aggravating at worst.......there's much better ways to do commentating, and we are working on putting together a format that's more like other sports. In no other sports are they trying to guess what the participants are going to do EVERY TIME....like everything else, it's a matter of professionalism and experience.

In all fairness they don't have much to work with trying to commentate One Foul Rules.....'Two Shot Shoot Out' would be much better because it's much more strategic....and this makes it much more interesting. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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