Slow Play

KMRUNOUT said:
The major flaw in your reasoning here is that they are often not doing anything *intentional* to bother you. They just really are slow. If you "become a major *****" on purpose, you have definitely sunk a level below them. An eye for an eye went out of style about 2000 years ago. Also, I'm sure you wait until in between racks, or at least when it is your turn at the table to start whining?

KMRUNOUT
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cuesblues said:
Why don't any of the slow players get on here and post their reasoning for slow play?
In fact, if there are any slow players out there, I would like to know one thing>>>
What the **** are you thinking about when you take 1-2 minutes,
(sometimes longer or shorter) to shoot one ****ing shot?
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Sounds like KMRUNOUT might be who you need to talk to. When he decides what he wants to say in an hour or so he'll tell you if you're still awake. And no KM, it's not after his turn I complain. I'm busy shooting then. I act during my "spare time". The reason I don't let it upset me is because I'm proactive. I have a final jeopardy recording on my phone I play as needed. An eye for an eye will never go out of style.
 
metmot said:
Sounds like KMRUNOUT might be who you need to talk to. When he decides what he wants to say in an hour or so he'll tell you if you're still awake. And no KM, it's not after his turn I complain. I'm busy shooting then. I act during my "spare time". The reason I don't let it upset me is because I'm proactive. I have a final jeopardy recording on my phone I play as needed. An eye for an eye will never go out of style.
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In a couple of hours I'm going to Hank's for water & pool with measureman.
If KMRUNOUT is practicing, he should be inbetween shots and ready to post by the time I get home.
 
I'm still learning to compete against the slow player though I am getting better at it. It used to irritate me a lot more than it does now.

When it would finally be my turn I would tend to go even faster than normal and it would sometimes cost me. Now when it is my turn I come to the table and am more methodical and deliberate to start my inning. I take my time to look things over and get into the mental frame of being back at the table. Then I build back to my more natural faster rhythm.

I learned a lot about competing against slower players by watching professionals at tournaments do the same thing. It's amazing how patient most all of them are. I remember watching Oscar get matched against slow players a couple of times in Vegas and he was just very patient sitting in his chair, sometimes looking around at other matches and taking in the surroundings. I asked him how he is able to be so patient and calm when his opponent is obviously so slow and he said, "Simple, I just accept the fact the reason I'm sitting there is because I missed." In effect, taking responsibility for being stuck in your chair helps you to accept the slow play of the other guy.
 
bugs me too

it's completely natural to hate watching people shoot when you should be the one shooting.....:D
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
"Simple, I just accept the fact the reason I'm sitting there is because I missed." In effect, taking responsibility for being stuck in your chair helps you to accept the slow play of the other guy.
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I think this sums up why so many people hate 'slow players'.

+1

-s
 
cuesblues said:
Why don't any of the slow players get on here and post their reasoning for slow play?
In fact, if there are any slow players out there, I would like to know one thing>>>
What the **** are you thinking about when you take 1-2 minutes,
(sometimes longer or shorter) to shoot one ****ing shot?
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I"m a bonafide slow player. I like to look at the layout, and make sure I got the best path before the first shot. And for some the layout is easy to see, but I need to think about it. I like to go the other side of the table to really see the angle or other balls for a better perspective, and I'm always looking for the lock up safety just in case things don't go as planned.

And I have a slow and deliberate PSR. So, not intentional in the least. But anytime I deviate from this, I shoot poorly, and then I"m kicking myself for "rushing"...so either I'm gonna piss somebody off for playing "slowly" or I'm gonna be pissed off for "rushing" so I prefer the former if it is up to me,,,, and it is :)

But I'm not one of those guys that takes 2 minutes with 3 balls left on the table either.......
 
In Japan, slow play is the norm. A race to 5 in a tournament setting probably lasts between 50 minutes and an hour, and that is average.

If I find myself in the mind set of "****, just shoot already!" I deal with it by letting my focus wander while I am in the chair. I watch other matches, think about how good lunch was, etc. This really helps when your opponent plays like a turtle, but it only works provided you are able to turn the focus back on once you come back to the table (which is easier said than done, but is possible if you are used to it) and that you trust your opponent enough not to pay attention for any moves (in Japan moving is non existent).

Of course if my opponent is playing at a normal pace, I can focus on the match while in the chair as well.
 
If I can't control it, I don't worry about it. I'm an old fart, so I have learned to be patient. You are only punishing yourself if you let it get under your skin.
 
Solution

First off, I don't play slow players for money.

And if it's in a tournament, I have them put on a shot clock.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I"m a bonafide slow player. I like to look at the layout, and make sure I got the best path before the first shot. And for some the layout is easy to see, but I need to think about it. I like to go the other side of the table to really see the angle or other balls for a better perspective, and I'm always looking for the lock up safety just in case things don't go as planned.

And I have a slow and deliberate PSR. So, not intentional in the least. But anytime I deviate from this, I shoot poorly, and then I"m kicking myself for "rushing"...so either I'm gonna piss somebody off for playing "slowly" or I'm gonna be pissed off for "rushing" so I prefer the former if it is up to me,,,, and it is :)

But I'm not one of those guys that takes 2 minutes with 3 balls left on the table either.......
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That was a great illustration of what deliberate play is all about, and some rep to you for an articulate post.
However, you are only on the bubble of being classified as a slow player because of your 2-minutes with 3-balls left on the table comment.

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ChicagoRJ said:
I"m a bonafide slow player. I like to look at the layout, and make sure I got the best path before the first shot. And for some the layout is easy to see, but I need to think about it. I like to go the other side of the table to really see the angle or other balls for a better perspective, and I'm always looking for the lock up safety just in case things don't go as planned.

And I have a slow and deliberate PSR. So, not intentional in the least. But anytime I deviate from this, I shoot poorly, and then I"m kicking myself for "rushing"...so either I'm gonna piss somebody off for playing "slowly" or I'm gonna be pissed off for "rushing" so I prefer the former if it is up to me,,,, and it is :)

But I'm not one of those guys that takes 2 minutes with 3 balls left on the table either.......
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What really constitutes a problematical slow player is the guy that has to do this on EVERY shot - walk around the table, analyze the lay-out, get down, get back up... even when they fall perfectly on the next ball exactly like they planned. With every shot its as though they are just coming to the table from the bathroom like they haven't seen the lay-out yet.
 
There are some people that just do it to drive you nuts, I have met a lot of people that do that so much lately..There is a way to beat that play your speed and dont worry, when you win the set just , look at them and ask " play that dam slow helps " And just walk away don't wait for a answer..It will help it does for me ...
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
What really constitutes a problematical slow player is the guy that has to do this on EVERY shot - walk around the table, analyze the lay-out, get down, get back up... even when they fall perfectly on the next ball exactly like they planned. With every shot its as though they are just coming to the table from the bathroom like they haven't seen the lay-out yet.
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Yeah, I've played those guys before, but since I've been called molasses on several teams I've been on, when I call slow play they always say "you gotta be kidding"..... those are the guys that don't know the difference between slow play trying to win, non intentional delay, and the difference of "I have no clue what to do, but if I keep looking maybe the balls will move into a better position".......... and THEN they call a coach after 3 minutes of "studying" the table.....

That is annoying even for a slo player like me :)
 
metmot said:
Sounds like KMRUNOUT might be who you need to talk to. When he decides what he wants to say in an hour or so he'll tell you if you're still awake. And no KM, it's not after his turn I complain. I'm busy shooting then. I act during my "spare time". The reason I don't let it upset me is because I'm proactive. I have a final jeopardy recording on my phone I play as needed. An eye for an eye will never go out of style.
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Also, the point I was making is that complaining while someone is in the middle of their turn at the table is an ass move. I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't stoop that low. "final jeaopardy recording"...LOL...that is funny both for the basic idea of it, but mostly that someone would go to such lengths to piss off their opponent. Nothing like respecting the fun of the game...

KMRUNOUT
 
slow play

I do not watch my opponent very closely if they play slow,have super bad mechanics or do not play very well.I just look away and glance over once in a while to see if they have shot yet.Weather or not they are playing slow deliberately or not is irrelevant to me.When in my chair I just try to think positive and be ready to execute my next shot.To me its all about not focusing on my opponent no matter who is at the table.

Slow play can effect run-out 9-ball players who need to get in a rhythm to run racks but to me the only way to combat this is to bear down on my turn at the table to make sure that I hit enough balls to get in stroke.
 
Carry Dunn is a nice guy, but he is slow as hell . I want throw a pool ball threw the wall. The tournament is extended at least 4-6 hrs just because of his slow play.
Shot clock should definitely be enforced on him, nobody does because he is too nice

Joe
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Also, the point I was making is that complaining while someone is in the middle of their turn at the table is an ass move. I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't stoop that low. "final jeaopardy recording"...LOL...that is funny both for the basic idea of it, but mostly that someone would go to such lengths to piss off their opponent. Nothing like respecting the fun of the game...

KMRUNOUT
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Respecting the fun of the game? The fun of the game is long gone after your opponent takes 15 minutes to run out a routine rack. Have you ever stopped to calculate how many 15 minutes of waking, non working time, you have left in your life? People who take this long to shoot should be reading books and doing drills privately until they understand the game well enough to involve another human being in their process. It's not fair play and it's not just me who feels that way. Shot clocks are appearing everywhere in pool under the guise of scheduling but we know the real reason for them. Fortunately our pool community here does not at this time include any of these annoying human beings. Think about it. Is there a purpose to "taking your time" if you don't have a solid plan as to what you're doing with it? Do you really think these people do? Slow play is not disciplined nor deliberate play. It's a different animal.

And thanks for letting me have the last word on this and not going for my one remaining eye:)
 
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