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Slow play
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Slow Play
Compare slow play in pool with slow play in golf anyone?
Compare slow play in pool with slow play in golf anyone?
Both are agonizing...
I think the slow play issue is pretty much exclusive to this tournament because of the call shot rules and the ability to pass shots back to your opponent if a miss occurs.
Snooker and pool are so different, whats the point in comparing the two?
Snooker and pool are so different, whats the point in comparing the two?
Good luck trying to explain that to the british guy in this thread!
TheThaiger
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YOU don't know what I'm talking about, Ned. Big difference.
i agree
sometimes excruciatingly so. some folks should stick to the range.
there's a reason why players like Earl and Ronnie O'Sullivan pack pack in the crowds.
nobody want's to watch Peter Ebdon or Charlie Williams.
sometimes excruciatingly so. some folks should stick to the range.
there's a reason why players like Earl and Ronnie O'Sullivan pack pack in the crowds.
nobody want's to watch Peter Ebdon or Charlie Williams.
There is no snooker over here now days, no interest! i guess everyone is more interested in a faster paced game with more skill involved. Maybe if they tweaked snooker and made it less boring and more skill involved, we would start seeing pool players playing it
i'd disagree there, there's no snooker because pool halls can pack two or three pool tables in a spot where you would only fit one. our main hall in town used to cater to snooker players, the owner went down to vegas one year, came back, sold 9 snooker tables and packed in pool tables instead. he saw people buckets of beer and more tables per sq feet and his eyes got big
plus snooker is too difficult for most people to want to learn and stick with. pool is more of an everyman's game. you can take a pile of people that don't play pool, throw them on a bar box with some beers, and they can have a whale of a time. throw the same people on a snooker table, and they'd more than likely just stick to drinking.
TheThaiger
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There was an infamous match between Ebdon and O'Sullivan at the crucible a few years again, when Ebbo bored Ronnie so much O'Sullivan put a towel over his head whilst Ebbo was at the table. I was there that night and it was clear to me at the time this was a watershed moment.
This goes to the heart of the discussion for me. The good must out and the grinders must die. The authorities need to show some balls and banish slow play for good. Don't let your champions suffer a death by a thousand cuts: protect those that protect the game.
some of the more popular cueists were/are all fast players, higgins, o'sullivan, white, strickland, drago, butera, salvas.
One time at the the Glass City Open in Toledo, the night before the pro event, they had a mini tournament. Keith McCready pulled Luc Salvas in the first round, race to 9.
They finished their match, which went hill-hill, BTW, in 20 minutes. While their match went 9-8, the scores of the other matches were 2-1, 3-1, 1-1, et cetera.
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I didn't see the slow play you speak of and am not a big fan of it, primarily because I am not very good at it.
Some people say I am not fast and some people have complained that on difficult shots, I take far longer than necessary to shoot a shot. One recent kick shot, on a hill-hill match with a pro player comes to mind. I think BigTruck even commemorated the shot to youtube. 
Granted, it was probably the longest I have ever taken to shoot any shot in my life and was an exception.
I have tried to "gear-down", slow down my pace like I have seen other top player do and for the life of me, I can't seem to do what they do when they slow down. I once watched Stoney Stone play EXTREMELY slow and he never missed a shot. I asked him at a later date and he said he hadn't been playing pool lately and he needed to slow himself down so that you could make the shots. I tried to do the same thing but without the same results.
Guess, for the most part, I am a not so fast paced kind of guy but not a slow player either, except when my neck is on the chopping block and I have decided I want a stay of execution.
Some people say I am not fast and some people have complained that on difficult shots, I take far longer than necessary to shoot a shot. One recent kick shot, on a hill-hill match with a pro player comes to mind.
I think BigTruck even commemorated the shot to youtube. Granted, it was probably the longest I have ever taken to shoot any shot in my life and was an exception.I have tried to "gear-down", slow down my pace like I have seen other top player do and for the life of me, I can't seem to do what they do when they slow down. I once watched Stoney Stone play EXTREMELY slow and he never missed a shot. I asked him at a later date and he said he hadn't been playing pool lately and he needed to slow himself down so that you could make the shots. I tried to do the same thing but without the same results.
Guess, for the most part, I am a not so fast paced kind of guy but not a slow player either, except when my neck is on the chopping block and I have decided I want a stay of execution.
Speaking of golf, it's interesting to watch some of the old match play events from the 50's and 60's. Those guys were almost hitting the ball without interrupting their stride. Slow play in golf started with Nicklaus, IMO. And now you can't get in 18 holes in under 4 hours because of the wannabes taking forever.
No, but yesterday I was watching SBE and baseball at the same time. The baseball game went much faster and was more interesting than watching the slow pooll players (OMG, if you can believe that!!!).
On a public course you are lucky to get in a round under 6 hours with all of the hackers out there.
I was lucky enough to belong to a country club a long time ago and the pros rode around looking for slow play and made them let other players through.
I think slow play will turn alot of spectators off especially if your new to the game
I got the fix!
Move over Michaela Tabb, time for Troy Landry to be the head referee.
"Choot em, Choot EM!"
Although I have seen slow play that was very interesting, in general I agree it is boring for spectators. On the other hand, players that can't deal with slow play in play that isn't being video'd, they are the one with a problem.
I have been known to get the message across when I knew someone was deliberately slow playing me as a shark move. After I got down to a tap in on the money ball I looked the shot over carefully, walked around to the back side of the object ball and reverse sighted down the shot line, went to the pocket and sighted down the object ball line, got down on the shot, came up, and looked down the lines again, got down on the shot, stroked a few times, got up and went and took a swallow of beer, got down on the shot, got up to look at the lines again, lather, rinse, repeat. Took me over five minutes to shoot that shot and my point was made that two could play that game.
On the other hand, I have played people that were just slow. The slowest of the slow was ol' Joe, probably still to this day the oldest player I ever played. He walked slow, he shot slow, he thought at glacieral speed, and he was capable of running out. Without stalling, he could take ten minutes or longer to run a table. Joe owned me for several months. Being young and impatient when Joe finally let me to the table I would jump up and rush over to the table and in my haste I would miss a ball or blow shape and the torture began again. I finally made the adjustment to cool my jets sitting in the chair, didn't matter if it was two minutes or twenty. Joe never beat me again and the lesson learned from playing him won me countless victories over the years. I never even considered thanking Joe but I owe him a ton both for forcing me to learn to deal with slow play and for teaching me not to beat myself.
When you are in the chair it is the other person's table. Relax and let them have it.
Hu
Move over Michaela Tabb, time for Troy Landry to be the head referee.
"Choot em, Choot EM!"
Although I have seen slow play that was very interesting, in general I agree it is boring for spectators. On the other hand, players that can't deal with slow play in play that isn't being video'd, they are the one with a problem.
I have been known to get the message across when I knew someone was deliberately slow playing me as a shark move. After I got down to a tap in on the money ball I looked the shot over carefully, walked around to the back side of the object ball and reverse sighted down the shot line, went to the pocket and sighted down the object ball line, got down on the shot, came up, and looked down the lines again, got down on the shot, stroked a few times, got up and went and took a swallow of beer, got down on the shot, got up to look at the lines again, lather, rinse, repeat. Took me over five minutes to shoot that shot and my point was made that two could play that game.
On the other hand, I have played people that were just slow. The slowest of the slow was ol' Joe, probably still to this day the oldest player I ever played. He walked slow, he shot slow, he thought at glacieral speed, and he was capable of running out. Without stalling, he could take ten minutes or longer to run a table. Joe owned me for several months. Being young and impatient when Joe finally let me to the table I would jump up and rush over to the table and in my haste I would miss a ball or blow shape and the torture began again. I finally made the adjustment to cool my jets sitting in the chair, didn't matter if it was two minutes or twenty. Joe never beat me again and the lesson learned from playing him won me countless victories over the years. I never even considered thanking Joe but I owe him a ton both for forcing me to learn to deal with slow play and for teaching me not to beat myself.
When you are in the chair it is the other person's table. Relax and let them have it.
Hu
Shot clock would help immensely. It is same time for each player. A couple of tomeouts per rack should suffice.
I would say no shot clock on 1p though. That game, for me, requires way more thinking.
I would say no shot clock on 1p though. That game, for me, requires way more thinking.