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i had this shot on the 3-Ball last night, and elected to slow roll it in, and roll up for position on the 4-Ball. if i would have gotten straight on the 4-Ball i could have drawn back for the 5-Ball (Point A), and if i would have left myself with a slight angle i could have either stunned over or come off the rail for the 5-Ball (Point B).

either way, i undercut the 3-Ball ever so slightly, and it hung in the pocket. perhaps i was so worried about not wanting the cue ball to roll very far i forgot about pocketing the object ball? i thought about going down the table, off the short rail, but the 6-Ball was blocking the top right corner pocket.

anyway, how would you posters have played this?

DCP

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Like this, for me:

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I'm hoping to land so I'm cutting the 4 slightly to my right, so I can stun or run-through to get to about where your position B was. If I land totally straight, I have to follow past the 9. I just have to make sure I don't get on the left side of the 4, which would mean a very difficult recovery shot, or a safety. I like shooting it this way because I don't have to roll it, just hit reasonably softly with a good draw stroke.

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
I'm hoping to land so I'm cutting the 4 slightly to my right, so I can stun or run-through to get to about where your position B was. If I land totally straight, I have to follow past the 9. I just have to make sure I don't get on the left side of the 4, which would mean a very difficult recovery shot, or a safety. I like shooting it this way because I don't have to roll it, just hit reasonably softly with a good draw stroke.

-Andrew
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i thought about this way Peyton. but i was worried i might end up on the wrong side of the 4-Ball, and then have to go around the table.

i even thought about what Buddy Hall said - "Dont play for position when you already have it!"

DCP
 
I don't like the draw shoton the 4. If you happen to overshoot it and land to the left of the 4, you have a back cut and you are going up table for shapes. JMO

You mentioned stunning the shot on the 5, so I would assume you know how to stun a ball. I would shoot the 3 with a stun shot slightly above center so it carries forward. I then have several options.
1) I can shoot the 4 in the corner, which is the shot I am really looking for
2) I could go in the side. Up and down table for shapes

Shooting soft on a table can lead into problems if you do not know the table. Even if you know it, you do not have a tendency to complete your stroke correctly. IMO. That is why I prefer a harder more controlled shot.

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a stun shot slightly above center
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I assume you mean hit an almost-stun shot so the CB is rolling a little when it hits the 3 - but to do that at that distance and at such a slow speed you'd have to hit considerably below center, I think.

Just picking a nit.

pj
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Patrick Johnson said:
I assume you mean hit an almost-stun shot so the CB is rolling a little when it hits the 3 - but to do that at that distance and at such a slow speed you'd have to hit considerably below center, I think.

Just picking a nit.

pj
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I think that if I meant that, I would have said that. But, maybe you know how I shoot better than me??:confused:

There are lots of shots that people shoot that confuse me also sometimes. If I see a shot like that, I practice it to see if I can replicate it like the one that played it. Lots of times it helps. Try it, you may find you like it.
 
I think that if I meant that, I would have said that. But, maybe you know how I shoot better than me??
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Maybe so, since the shot you described ("a stun shot slightly above center") doesn't exist. How do you suggest I "replicate" it?

pj
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Klockdoc's talking about stun run-through, a great technique for shots where you need a little movement forward, but don't want to slow-roll. Using a medium pace from this distance, just aim 1/2 a tip or so above center on the CB. It takes some practice to learn to do properly, but it's a great shot to know, especially on unfamiliar/unreliable equipment. There's a video floating around where Steve Davis shows how snooker players do it.

-djb
 
IMO, this shot would not have bothered me, as I believe that as long as the cue ball is on the left side of the table (foot side in this case), there are several possibilities that exist for getting decent position on the five ball. There are three pockets to shoot the four ball into from the general cueball position I describe, all being good for positioning on the five ball. Just don't lock yourself up or leave whitey on a rail and something managable should come from it. Of course, my "get it in the general area" attitude is probably the reason I SUCK at pool :o , so maybe you would be better off trying to be a little more particular on your three ball shot, although I believe that there is SOME truth in what I said above.

Maniac
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Maybe so, since the shot you described ("a stun shot slightly above center") doesn't exist. How do you suggest I "replicate" it?

pj
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PRACTICE, PRACTICE
 
DoomCue said:
Klockdoc's talking about stun run-through, a great technique for shots where you need a little movement forward, but don't want to slow-roll. Using a medium pace from this distance, just aim 1/2 a tip or so above center on the CB. It takes some practice to learn to do properly, but it's a great shot to know, especially on unfamiliar/unreliable equipment. There's a video floating around where Steve Davis shows how snooker players do it.

-djb
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Maybe, but I'm betting if it's hit with enough speed to actually be a stun runthrough, it will go farther than shown. I think any above-center hit must be slow rolled (the shot the OP described) to go that short distance.

pj
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DoomCue said:
Klockdoc's talking about stun run-through, a great technique for shots where you need a little movement forward, but don't want to slow-roll. Using a medium pace from this distance, just aim 1/2 a tip or so above center on the CB. It takes some practice to learn to do properly, but it's a great shot to know, especially on unfamiliar/unreliable equipment. There's a video floating around where Steve Davis shows how snooker players do it.

-djb
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yes, this is a really helpful shot to know, the stun run-through shot. i believe Williebetmore even talks about how important it is.

but, with the slight angle here, the stun run-through will not get you what you want since the cue ball will move a whole lot more due to the angle. if its a straight in shot, well, thats a whole different ballgame.

DCP
 
For both PJ and DCP, all I can say is learn the shot and try it out. You might be surprised. Here's a link to the video I mentioned in my earlier post: http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/sport_web/video/9012da680008d78/nb/09012da680008fba_nb_16x9.asx

In any case, I don't think playing for the side is the right shot; it's too easy to get on the wrong side of the 4, which might require a tough cut to the corner or a tough position play to get back to the 5. I'd be playing for the corner (lower right in the diagram) all day long. Whether that leaves me with a cut to the left or the right, I can use draw to get back on the 5.

-djb <-- uses stun run-through in these situations all the time
 
If you played 14.1 you would understand how to hit this shot without having the cue ball travel very far. I would use what I call a "snip shot" to minimize cue ball travel.

A snip shot is where you basically can stun the ball and slide side to side. It takes a slower, more accurate stroke, and when playing 14.1 you will use this shot A LOT! It all comes down to minimizing cue ball movement when working through the balls. I could shoot that 3 ball and basically stop the cue ball within a ball width of were the 3 ball was. In this shot, I would draw like this:

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I am merely twisting the bottom axis of the 3 ball (where the ball meets the cloth) in the direction of the center of the corner pocket (I hope that makes sense to somebody else besides me). lol

This is one way that straight pool knowledge can asist you in playing ALL GAMES on a higher level. Learning these kinds of shots and different ways to manipulate the cue ball provides you with priceless knowledge that can get you back in line when you get in trouble.
 
Blackjack said:
If you played 14.1 you would understand how to hit this shot without having the cue ball travel very far. I would use what I call a "snip shot" to minimize cue ball travel.

A snip shot is where you basically can stun the ball and slide side to side. It takes a slower, more accurate stroke, and when playing 14.1 you will use this shot A LOT! It all comes down to minimizing cue ball movement when working through the balls. I could shoot that 3 ball and basically stop the cue ball within a ball width of were the 3 ball was.

I am merely twisting the bottom axis of the 3 ball (where the ball meets the cloth) in the direction of the center of the corner pocket (I hope that makes sense to somebody else besides me). lol

This is one way that straight pool knowledge can asist you in playing ALL GAMES on a higher level. Learning these kinds of shots and different ways to manipulate the cue ball provides you with priceless knowledge that can get you back in line when you get in trouble.
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ok, i am going to go home tonight and practice this "snip" shot that Mr. Blackjack Sir is referring to. he's my hero ya know. i mean, anybody that managed Lanza & Mulligan has my respect!

DCP
 
td873 said:
IMO, this shot is suicide. I would only shoot this if I was really pissed at my wallet.

;)

-td
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i agree TD873. with my luck i would come off the 4-Ball and go straight into the side pocket.

DCP
 
Good Point

Blackjack said:
If you played 14.1 you would understand how to hit this shot without having the cue ball travel very far. I would use what I call a "snip shot" to minimize cue ball travel.

A snip shot is where you basically can stun the ball and slide side to side. It takes a slower, more accurate stroke, and when playing 14.1 you will use this shot A LOT! It all comes down to minimizing cue ball movement when working through the balls. I could shoot that 3 ball and basically stop the cue ball within a ball width of were the 3 ball was. In this shot, I would draw like this:

I am merely twisting the bottom axis of the 3 ball (where the ball meets the cloth) in the direction of the center of the corner pocket (I hope that makes sense to somebody else besides me). lol

This is one way that straight pool knowledge can asist you in playing ALL GAMES on a higher level. Learning these kinds of shots and different ways to manipulate the cue ball provides you with priceless knowledge that can get you back in line when you get in trouble.
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Very good point BlackJack. This is a good shot in this application. I might mention though, it takes a very good stroke to accomplish this.

If DCP can accomplish this in practice, it will definitely improve other aspects of his game as well.

It is hard to tell on the WEI table whether this is the shot I would attempt also, but, it is another alternative to my original suggestion.

Good thinking.
 
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