Smoke and Mirrors

Island Drive

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I have recently put myself in a good position with work, lifestyle, and proximity of a good pool room to get my game back to speed, but the cigarette smoke is killing me and givin' me the reason to NOT want to play again. The IPT, since it's 8-ball, is my motivator to compete again. I know the older straight pool players (NOW) have the proper platform to beat the younger straight shooting 9 ball players. Any other players out there have similar thoughts on the smoke issue???
 
I HATE the smoke! WA just recently put the ban on it and even the smokers appreciate it. Last week, I went to MT and they do not have a ban. I could only last a couple hours and almost puked on the smell. The next day on the plane, (even after putting everything in the bathroom while I showered, hoping to steam the smell out), I had to apologize to my seat mate for my smell that lingered in my coat and purse. Turns out he was a pool player too and we had a great conversation. :p

What is funny is that the MT people were so excited about becoming smokeless in 2009!!!! How many cancer cases are going to be discovered between then and now due to their second-hand smoke? This is one issue I am militant on. I automatically deduct IQ points off of someone I see smoking...and that includes my husband! I have lost too many good friends, smokers and non, due to smoking. Also, working in the healthcare field, I have seen it all. We did work on cadavers and one of them was lung cancer. His lungs looked like the creosote lining a chimney...no air cells left at all.

Smokers think they are attractive. Tell me how attractive this is? And if I can make one smoker quit, I will have done my job...
 

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Island Drive said:
I have recently put myself in a good position with work, lifestyle, and proximity of a good pool room to get my game back to speed, but the cigarette smoke is killing me and givin' me the reason to NOT want to play again. The IPT, since it's 8-ball, is my motivator to compete again. I know the older straight pool players (NOW) have the proper platform to beat the younger straight shooting 9 ball players. Any other players out there have similar thoughts on the smoke issue???

I do. I waited and waited for a new room to open in town. When it finally did, I thought, great I'm gonna play a lot of pool there. But everytime I go there, I suffer from the smoke, so I don't go too often...only when league play requires me to. I miss being able to enjoy pool with so many others in town. I used to spend a fortune at the previous pool hall, but not anymore.

I now prefer to play at home where smoking cigarettes is not allowed. The problem of course is that I suck when I go out and play anymore, as I am not used to the clutter and confusion of the pool hall. But that is the trade-off I'm making until things change. My happiness is too important to me to allow others to negatively affect my health and enjoyment.

I do NOT want a non-smoking LAW, but would really like the management to consider that about half of their customers don't like their annoying, dangerous environment. I'm waiting for that, but the state is considering a non-smoking law that would force business owners to go against their own wishes. Phuk that, too.

If I could just get my teammates to quit blowing their smoke in my face, that would help, but they don't care, either.

Jeff Livingston
 
Island Drive said:
I have recently put myself in a good position with work, lifestyle, and proximity of a good pool room to get my game back to speed, but the cigarette smoke is killing me and givin' me the reason to NOT want to play again. The IPT, since it's 8-ball, is my motivator to compete again. I know the older straight pool players (NOW) have the proper platform to beat the younger straight shooting 9 ball players. Any other players out there have similar thoughts on the smoke issue???

I can't play in a heavily smoke filled room for more than about 2 hours. I start feeling sick.

California is one of the leading anti-smoking states as far as I can tell. Smoking has been banned from workplaces for about 10 years, and it's illegal to smoke indoors in any establishment open to the public.

Yet there is still one pool room here where they allow smoking, despite the laws and citations. Of course, it's the one I've been going to since I was a kid. There was another non-smoking room I really liked, but they lost their lease and closed.

Because of the decline in smoking, the owners of the room that allows smoking are no longer convinced that they are getting enough additional business from smokers to offset the business they are losing from non-smokers. They also believe that smokers tend to drink more and go out more.

Smoking is just a really bad thing to do but it is one of the hardest of all drugs to quit - because it's available and legal. I had one hell of a time quitting smoking - it took me YEARS to finally quit. I feel bad for smokers - most want to quit but fear it. They are not weak people. The drug makes them weak.

It could be a win-win with a little brainpower. A pool room with a little outdoor patio area to accommodate smokers would be a nice touch.

My suggestion is that you get a pool table at home, and only play in the smoking room when you have to. I would also make it known to the pool room owners that you don't go in there very frequently because of the smoke. I have let the pool room owners know that as well and I think it's just a matter of time before they ban smoking.

Chris
 
Here in the Boulder, CO area, they've (surprise!) been fairly anti-smoking for a while now. Some years ago they passed some local laws (and over the years, surrounding towns have been adopting the same basic law) that either prohibit smoking altogether in certain venues, or allow it if the venue has a separate smoking area.

The joint I play league out of is one of those split-style places - eleven bar boxes altogether, seven in the main area, four in a smoking area that's separated by a wall of glass and a door. Another small pool room/bar a little ways away, last year, built out a new space in the same strip mall they were in to start with, and moved down from the old space - largely to comply with this law. They're now set up in a similar fashion - six tables non-smoking, five smoking, separate rooms.

I think the separate area plan is the best solution for all - even though I despise smoking (I recently lost my mom to severe emphysema, caused by smoking for 50 years), I can respect people's rights to do what they want - as long as it doesn't affect others. The non-smokers have their space, the smokers have their space, and people can co-mingle as they choose.

For the rest of the world - I think pool halls would do themselves well to install smoke-eater gizmos on the ceilings. Just because you can smoke in a place doesn't mean it has to be smoky.
 
Okay, as a smoker (who wants to quit, BTW) I have a few takes on this smoking ban here in WA.

At first, I was mightly pissed about the whole thing, but not just because I couldn't light up while playing anymore. The majority of patrons in this part of the state are smokers, sad but true. I guess my basic contention was the state telling a business owner, who had to pony up his own money to start and maintain his business, that he could no longer allow smoking. This is above and beyond the state levying a huge tax on cigarettes, with the average cost now at 5.50-6.00 a pack. It has had a great effect on business in these establishments here. Business in down enough that other businesses are suffering...a fallout effect, so to speak. I know a guy who runs his own karaoke business, and he is now losing nights at these establishments because there is no longer the business to support his being there. He used to be very busy on Wednesday nights, and now his Wednesday nights are gone, and he is in danger of losing his Fridays as well. Some of the local pool leagues are beginning to suffer as well, as many players are dropping out because they cannot smoke while playing.

I agree, that these places can become very smokey, even makes my eyes burn sometimes. There are a couple of places that have Smoke-Eaters, which due a great job at eliminating smoke, when there are enough of them to cover the proper square footage of the estalishment. Problem is, there is usually only one in any given establishment, and it is not enough.

Some of these establishments have decided to allow smoking on nights and weekends, when the Health Dept is inactive. They decided that the fine incurred was alot less money than the amount of money they were losing due to lack of business.

Me....well, I am certainly not smoking as much...which is cool. Captaining one team, which requires me to watch the games for fouls, and playing on another, 9 Ball, where the games go very fast....just doesn't leave a whole lot of time to get a smoke in. Throw in inclement weather (wind and rain), and well, I am lucky to get half a cig in when I do step out. Before the ban, I was smoking WAY too much. Now, if I could only kick them altogether, I would be happy.

You got to blame our forefathers for this whole smoking thing to begin with. They would likely be rolling over in their graves if they knew that smoking was now a bad thing in this country. It was them that insisted on tobacco being the 'cash crop' of this great country of ours. All save one.....good ol' George Washington. Now George wasn't down with the whole tobacco thing. He had another 'cash crop' for this country in mind. He grew it at Mt Vernon, and really pushed for it in the Contintental Congress, but to no avail. That 'cash crop' was hemp, because of all of the by-products that could be derived from it. Infinitely more profitable than tobacco, which is limited in it's uses. Just think where this country would be right now had George gotten his way?!!!

So while I still think that the smoking ban here has some issues with business owners rights, it doesn't bother me anymore, as I am definitely smoking less, which will make it easier for me to quit, probably very soon, 'cause quite frankly, I'm sick of the damn things!!!!

Lisa
 
rackmsuckr said:
I HATE the smoke! WA just recently put the ban on it and even the smokers appreciate it. Last week, I went to MT and they do not have a ban. I could only last a couple hours and almost puked on the smell. The next day on the plane, (even after putting everything in the bathroom while I showered, hoping to steam the smell out), I had to apologize to my seat mate for my smell that lingered in my coat and purse. Turns out he was a pool player too and we had a great conversation. :p

What is funny is that the MT people were so excited about becoming smokeless in 2009!!!! How many cancer cases are going to be discovered between then and now due to their second-hand smoke? This is one issue I am militant on. I automatically deduct IQ points off of someone I see smoking...and that includes my husband! I have lost too many good friends, smokers and non, due to smoking. Also, working in the healthcare field, I have seen it all. We did work on cadavers and one of them was lung cancer. His lungs looked like the creosote lining a chimney...no air cells left at all.

Smokers think they are attractive. Tell me how attractive this is? And if I can make one smoker quit, I will have done my job...
Excellent post Linda :)
 
ridewiththewind said:
Okay, as a smoker (who wants to quit, BTW) I have a few takes on this smoking ban here in WA.

At first, I was mightly pissed about the whole thing, but not just because I couldn't light up while playing anymore. The majority of patrons in this part of the state are smokers, sad but true. I guess my basic contention was the state telling a business owner, who had to pony up his own money to start and maintain his business, that he could no longer allow smoking. This is above and beyond the state levying a huge tax on cigarettes, with the average cost now at 5.50-6.00 a pack. It has had a great effect on business in these establishments here. Business in down enough that other businesses are suffering...a fallout effect, so to speak. I know a guy who runs his own karaoke business, and he is now losing nights at these establishments because there is no longer the business to support his being there. He used to be very busy on Wednesday nights, and now his Wednesday nights are gone, and he is in danger of losing his Fridays as well. Some of the local pool leagues are beginning to suffer as well, as many players are dropping out because they cannot smoke while playing.

I agree, that these places can become very smokey, even makes my eyes burn sometimes. There are a couple of places that have Smoke-Eaters, which due a great job at eliminating smoke, when there are enough of them to cover the proper square footage of the estalishment. Problem is, there is usually only one in any given establishment, and it is not enough.

Some of these establishments have decided to allow smoking on nights and weekends, when the Health Dept is inactive. They decided that the fine incurred was alot less money than the amount of money they were losing due to lack of business.

Me....well, I am certainly not smoking as much...which is cool. Captaining one team, which requires me to watch the games for fouls, and playing on another, 9 Ball, where the games go very fast....just doesn't leave a whole lot of time to get a smoke in. Throw in inclement weather (wind and rain), and well, I am lucky to get half a cig in when I do step out. Before the ban, I was smoking WAY too much. Now, if I could only kick them altogether, I would be happy.

You got to blame our forefathers for this whole smoking thing to begin with. They would likely be rolling over in their graves if they knew that smoking was now a bad thing in this country. It was them that insisted on tobacco being the 'cash crop' of this great country of ours. All save one.....good ol' George Washington. Now George wasn't down with the whole tobacco thing. He had another 'cash crop' for this country in mind. He grew it at Mt Vernon, and really pushed for it in the Contintental Congress, but to no avail. That 'cash crop' was hemp, because of all of the by-products that could be derived from it. Infinitely more profitable than tobacco, which is limited in it's uses. Just think where this country would be right now had George gotten his way?!!!

So while I still think that the smoking ban here has some issues with business owners rights, it doesn't bother me anymore, as I am definitely smoking less, which will make it easier for me to quit, probably very soon, 'cause quite frankly, I'm sick of the damn things!!!!

Lisa

You can quit, Lisa, regardless of Washington (George or DC) or of the local laws. In case you haven't noticed it, YOU are involved in the process of quitting by choosing to put yourself in places where you are not allowed to smoke. The answer is not outside, but inside. That is wholly YOUR choice, is it not?

Don't give 'em your power! Use it wisely.

Here's how I quit, if you like some advice: I would crave a smoke but instead of lighting up, I'd wait for only 15 minutes to have one. By the time the 15 minutes were up, I'd have either forgotten about it, or I'd choose to have one, without guilt, as the choice was now logical, not emotional. After a few months of this, I just quit, like that [snap fingers]. Try it, it might work for you.

Jeff Livingston
 
I have to say that as a nonsmoker I have been in pool halls where the smoke is so thick it looks like it was on fire...NO air circulation, low ceilings, 75 chainsmoking teenagers...

then I've been in well managed halls where they were run by players and not some hack who doesn't play the game...those were the best to play in....on a tournament night with alot of smokers you couldn't smell any residual smoke as they had updraft type air circulation and high ceilings....
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I have the perfect solution......start smoking yourself and you wont even sell it after that!
 
chefjeff said:
You can quit, Lisa, regardless of Washington (George or DC) or of the local laws. In case you haven't noticed it, YOU are involved in the process of quitting by choosing to put yourself in places where you are not allowed to smoke. The answer is not outside, but inside. That is wholly YOUR choice, is it not?

Don't give 'em your power! Use it wisely.

Here's how I quit, if you like some advice: I would crave a smoke but instead of lighting up, I'd wait for only 15 minutes to have one. By the time the 15 minutes were up, I'd have either forgotten about it, or I'd choose to have one, without guilt, as the choice was now logical, not emotional. After a few months of this, I just quit, like that [snap fingers]. Try it, it might work for you.

Jeff Livingston

I quit cold turkey a couple times where I was tobacco free for a few months, and a couple years. Started back both times.

The most recent (and last) time I quit, I am convinced it is because I dropped a bunch of cash at an acupuncturist. The acupuncture was supposed to do nothing except make cigarettes taste bad. I couldn't tell you whether or not it worked to that end, because I haven't had any tobacco since. I did, however, tell myself that I had to give up cigarettes for at least a month in order to break even on the doctor visit!

Regardless of why, I'm now tobacco free.

OTOH, Mark Twain said a person should have a few vices, that way when things start to go badly in life, one always has something to give up to make things better. Without the vices, when things go bad, the person is doomed, as they have no way to improve the situation! :D I like the man's logic.
 
My dad smoked, and I'm still not sure how I tolerated it as a kid. It's a horrible thing to do to a kid who can't make the choice for themselves in their own home to inhale smoke or not.

My own addiction was to Coca Cola. Really not the same thing, I'm sure, but I quit cold turkey. After a week of headaches, I'm fine now.

There's a pool hall that I've gone to several times, and every time I've gotten a headache. The owners both like cigars, and while I don't begrudge them that, I wonder how much business they're losing. They'd like to see themselves as a family establishment and a good room (not a bar at all, no liquor license, BYOB, etc.), I think, but I don't know that they'll get there with all the smoke.

It only takes a few smokers to make a pretty large space stink pretty badly. Some of my clothes STILL smell if you bury your nose in 'em, and I haven't been there in a month.

Ick. I wish smoking were illegal, period. I realize that's selfish, and that if push came to shove I really wouldn't support any laws to make it illegal entirely, but I support laws that make it illegal in public places. I don't want to effectively smoke myself just because some other doofus somewhere is, and I sure as heck don't want my daughter (she's 3) smoking either.
 
The love of the game makes me put up with the smoke. Just got home from the league. My eyes are burning and my nose is plugged up. I threw my cloths on the deck to keep from stinking up the house. Took a shower and am now relaxing before I go to bed. Even after the shower I can still smell the smoke. I will wake up tomorrow with a head ache and feel as if I was in a fight. My cue case smells and so does my cue. I leave my coat in the car to keep it from smelling, and it is 15 degrees outside.

I quit a job in a casino because of the smoke. I would wake up and my lungs would hurt.

I just don't understand why someone would want to put that crap into their lungs. But then again I don't understand why anyone would want to do drugs either. My vice is alcohol and I will be giving that up because I can see the affects it is having on me. I notice my performance in many areas is decreasing and I need to keep this body for at least another 40 years if I want to live over 100.
 
Second Hand Smoke is a KILLER, and Dying from a Lung Disease is no fun. I personally love playing in a SMOKE FREE POOL ROOM.
 
I don't like the smell of smoke, but have to put up with some to get a decent game sometimes. At the Senior center they do not allow smoking in the Billiard room, so the smokers step outside. At the Flamingo it is a smoking bar, but the Bar boxes are in the back part of the bar and the Gold Crown is in the front room. 99% of the time i am in the front room with the front door open this time of year, so i get allot of fresh air. As it
gets warmer, they have 2 AC units for the front room alone and the owner has the filters changed often. When there are folks smoking in the front room, i turn the ceiling fans on and that helps some. If i am playing with my Car Cue i don't worry about the case getting stanky, cause i keep it in the trunk of the car. If i take a good cue i leave the case in the car.:)
 
TheBook said:
The love of the game makes me put up with the smoke. Just got home from the league. My eyes are burning and my nose is plugged up. I threw my cloths on the deck to keep from stinking up the house. Took a shower and am now relaxing before I go to bed. Even after the shower I can still smell the smoke. I will wake up tomorrow with a head ache and feel as if I was in a fight. My cue case smells and so does my cue. I leave my coat in the car to keep it from smelling, and it is 15 degrees outside.

(snip)

I've mentioned this before...I have a special machine that I hang my smoky jacket next to ,and by the next morning, the smell of smoke from my leather jacket is gone. I can stick my nose up to it and cannot smell the smoke. This thing is designed to purify the air, but man it works great for anything that has absorbed a bad smell, such as doggie doo and kitty pee on the carpet or whatever.

It'd be a nice addition to any pool players house, imho.

Jeff Livingston
 
quit eatin!!!

ScottW said:
Here in the Boulder, CO area, they've (surprise!) been fairly anti-smoking for a while now. Some years ago they passed some local laws (and over the years, surrounding towns have been adopting the same basic law) that either prohibit smoking altogether in certain venues, or allow it if the venue has a separate smoking area.

The joint I play league out of is one of those split-style places - eleven bar boxes altogether, seven in the main area, four in a smoking area that's separated by a wall of glass and a door. Another small pool room/bar a little ways away, last year, built out a new space in the same strip mall they were in to start with, and moved down from the old space - largely to comply with this law. They're now set up in a similar fashion - six tables non-smoking, five smoking, separate rooms.

I think the separate area plan is the best solution for all - even though I despise smoking (I recently lost my mom to severe emphysema, caused by smoking for 50 years), I can respect people's rights to do what they want - as long as it doesn't affect others. The non-smokers have their space, the smokers have their space, and people can co-mingle as they choose.

For the rest of the world - I think pool halls would do themselves well to install smoke-eater gizmos on the ceilings. Just because you can smoke in a place doesn't mean it has to be smoky.
from the looks of your avatar you might want to consider smoking..they say it curbs your appetite..
 
Hmmm ....

I think this thread needs to be moved to the 'NON-Smoking' part of the forum.... lol
 
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