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Sky plays well on 9 footers, but just not nearly as well as his bar box prowess. See results for Memphis Open a few weeks ago, Bergman and Hennessee put him out in two matches.

Since when is losing to Bergman and Hennessee a sign of weak play? Them too slaying mutha ****as left and right.
 
Well this is the lingering question. He seems like a fine young man & while this isn't a judgement, it is an observation. They don't play the Super Bowl on an Arena football league field, the Wimbledon Championships on a squash court or the Masters Golf Championship on a 9 hole course full of par 3's or NASCAR championships on a go kart track. You don't see the packages put together on big tables like you do on bar boxes & and you don't see balls hit the rail at the second diamond go in the hole on them either. He's a fine young player but when he dominates its always on a box, it's a different game. Congrats on his win & wish him the best but matches like this need to be played on full sized tables, not the training wheel version, it's just not the same game. Sorry not sorry.
Do you really think they could have this on 9ft tables with 2k to enter
No look at the Memphis open 2 weeks ago it was a big table event
and only $500 entry and they only had 23 players and thats without svb
look at the White Diamond tourney 80k calcutta that is because it is
on barboxes and that gives more players a good chance to win
how many players do you think would pay 2k to play long races to 21 on 9ft
with svb with no real big money added not many IMO
 
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Good points!

Do really think they could have this on 9ft tables with 2k to enter
No look at the Memphis open 2 weeks ago it was a big table event
and only $500 entry and they only had 23 players
look at the White Diamond tourney 80k calcutta that is because it is
on barboxes and that gives more players a good chance to win
how many players do you think would pay 2k to play long races to 21 on 9ft
with svb with no real big money added not many IMO


I don't think anyone is saying that this tournament should be played on 9FT tables, I think the comments were more about his play in reference to representing the USA in the upcoming events on 9FT tables?

But you are right, not many guys in this country really want to play on the big tables if they have to fad SVB and all the competition from the Far East!!
 
Do you really think they could have this on 9ft tables with 2k to enter
No look at the Memphis open 2 weeks ago it was a big table event
and only $500 entry and they only had 23 players and thats without svb
look at the White Diamond tourney 80k calcutta that is because it is
on barboxes and that gives more players a good chance to win
how many players do you think would pay 2k to play long races to 21 on 9ft
with svb with no real big money added not many IMO

Well I didn't know this was about playing on equipment that draws more players. Again I'll reiterate congrats to Sky on his win, say he's a very classy young man & I wish him all the best in his future endeavors. I'll also say I really don't like your argument in I don't think 7 foot tables have anyplace in pro pool, they're for bars, APA & other amateur endeavors, period. You think this leads to events like this and White Diamond drawing a huge field because it gives more players a chance to win, well that kind of validates my point, that true championships have no business being played on the fisher price toy tables & if the guys that love them so much spent more time on a true 9' table then maybe they could fade SVB & the Asians. They certainly aren't going to get there on bar boxes. Many see your side, many see mine but the fact is there is no other sport where there are disparate different sized fields of play and if US players are ever going to be taken seriously in the world arena then they need to stop playing on toy boxes.
 
Well I didn't know this was about playing on equipment that draws more players. Again I'll reiterate congrats to Sky on his win, say he's a very classy young man & I wish him all the best in his future endeavors. I'll also say I really don't like your argument in I don't think 7 foot tables have anyplace in pro pool, they're for bars, APA & other amateur endeavors, period. You think this leads to events like this and White Diamond drawing a huge field because it gives more players a chance to win, well that kind of validates my point, that true championships have no business being played on the fisher price toy tables & if the guys that love them so much spent more time on a true 9' table then maybe they could fade SVB & the Asians. They certainly aren't going to get there on bar boxes. Many see your side, many see mine but the fact is there is no other sport where there are disparate different sized fields of play and if US players are ever going to be taken seriously in the world arena then they need to stop playing on toy boxes.

I happen to agree with your thoughts about the merits of bar boxes. However you make reference to "pro pool" and that, sadly, doesn't really exist, at least not in North America. You have a slim few folks who have made some pretty good money in what is a rag tag type of career playing seemingly random events. Pool is an activity, not a sport. Until such time as pool has a legitimate governing body that actually organizes standardized events on a standarized playing surface, then we will be lucky to have even these bar box tourneys. All IMO of course.
 
Well I am someone that raised the question in this thread. I also said he seems like a fine young man & offered congratulations on his win. He is a classy young guy & he may very well have a big table game but he needs to establish that. His history is dominance on a box & I don't feel it's negative to point that out. To some that's an asterisk, I'm one of those, I've given comparisons in my 1st post & I stand by them. You don't see large packages on big tables like on BB's nor do you see balls hit the rail 2 diamonds up get in the hole on large tables. All congrats in the world for his win, he's a nice guy & all that but dominate on a big table and you'll get everyone's attention, it's just the way it is. BB's should be reserved for bars, APA leagues & the like, not for judging champion caliber play, it's simply a different game. Sorry not sorry.

Really?

For nearly a decade, Dave Matlock had a standing offer to play him on BB table for $10K.

For almost all that tried that they didn't like it. But as the champions here noted "almost anyone can get out all the time". Apparently, the champions of Matlock's era wasn't as strong as the today...:rolleyes:.

As far as a different game, I tend to agree. But so is 9 ball verses 10 ball, verses banks, verses 1 pocket verses snooker verses ..... Champions in each of those may or may not be as strong in another "game", but that doesn't mean anyone should discount a tournament win. IMO, it makes you look petty.

To me, for ANYONE on here to say, "Yeah old Skyler won but it was bar box so it doesn't mean much", it a low class backhand.

For me, as a fan, and enthusiast, let me watch Sklyer, Landon, Justin, and all the other classy young guns. And you can deal with the Rodney's and Earls.

IMO, the right thing to say, "Congratulations Skyler."

Best of rolls to all,

Ken
 
I have to agree with Ken on this. It's funny for me to hear a bunch of non-champions try and tell the whole public forum what a champion is... some people need to talk less and practice more.
 
Really enjoyed watching Skyler play last night. He will being doing the same on the big tables before long.
 
Well I didn't know this was about playing on equipment that draws more players. Again I'll reiterate congrats to Sky on his win, say he's a very classy young man & I wish him all the best in his future endeavors. I'll also say I really don't like your argument in I don't think 7 foot tables have anyplace in pro pool, they're for bars, APA & other amateur endeavors, period. You think this leads to events like this and White Diamond drawing a huge field because it gives more players a chance to win, well that kind of validates my point, that true championships have no business being played on the fisher price toy tables & if the guys that love them so much spent more time on a true 9' table then maybe they could fade SVB & the Asians. They certainly aren't going to get there on bar boxes. Many see your side, many see mine but the fact is there is no other sport where there are disparate different sized fields of play and if US players are ever going to be taken seriously in the world arena then they need to stop playing on toy boxes.

These are good points and I agree with most of them (FWIW). Some do desire to tour the world staying in sh!t holes, scraping by for a living in the hopes of making it big by playing in world championships that are alternating break crap shoot tourneys. It would work if they were independently wealthy.

Or, they can stay home, gamble and play in the occasional huge tourney like this one or White Diamonds taking a shot a fairly large Calcuttas.

I would love nothing more than to see 9' tournaments become the norm. But, I can't decide for others. So, I'll enjoy the ride by watching these when I have the chance. I work a lot of weekends so I regrettably missed this one.
 
Tournament was on barbox. He just beat some of the best players on the planet on the equipment provided. Give the man his due respect.

I remember when people were on this very esteemed forum were saying the same types of things about SVB.
 
Who won? I've seen brackets showing Shane winning but everyone is saying Sky won. What's up?
 
These are good points and I agree with most of them (FWIW). Some do desire to tour the world staying in sh!t holes, scraping by for a living in the hopes of making it big by playing in world championships that are alternating break crap shoot tourneys. It would work if they were independently wealthy.

Or, they can stay home, gamble and play in the occasional huge tourney like this one or White Diamonds taking a shot a fairly large Calcuttas.

I would love nothing more than to see 9' tournaments become the norm. But, I can't decide for others. So, I'll enjoy the ride by watching these when I have the chance. I work a lot of weekends so I regrettably missed this one.

Since when are 9' tournaments not the norm?
 
There is no asterisks by this win. Sky got in the grease on the big tables in Memphis and will prolly give almost everyone in this thread the 7 on the big table in rotation.

Sky did win the Derby City Classic 1000 entry bank ring game in front of the world and a packed house in Elizabeth, In.

No I think all Sky has to do is play more on the big track and he will dominate that arena too.

Ray
 
I agree Ray and thank you for the great show you put on. It's not easy getting 16 pros to put up 2K entry. Johnnyt
 
Most of the recent tourneys that have had a full field and a decent calcutta especially in the south have been bar boxes.

Define "most." Not sure about the south, but the straight pool tournament had a full field, as did the Hard Times 10-ball. Both on big tables. I think MO is considered the mid west,anyway
 
Define "most." Not sure about the south, but the straight pool tournament had a full field, as did the Hard Times 10-ball. Both on big tables. I think MO is considered the mid west,anyway


Yes, I wish this was big table country. Just from memory, I think there are 9, nine foot tables to rent in all of Chattanooga. These are spread over three pool halls. That's why I have a 9 footer in my basement.

I've never played in LA but I was stationed in San Diego and Alameda in the 1980's and only played a little. California is most definitely 9 foot country. I have just warmed up to the idea that pros play on boxes.

I'll play badly on anything. I'm not picky about what pockets that I'll rattle my balls in. :)
 
Sorry that I didn't answer your question in the last post.

Excluding Memphis and Johnny Archers tourney, all the rest of the tourneys in the south are played on boxes. It's pretty much that way until you get to Nc or Va.
 
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