Smoking Cigarettes at Expos
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1pRoscoe said:
I don't know if that's true. Most people I know who have never smoked are quite intolerant of smoking. If it is true it is because most non-smokers are ex-smokers, there are not a great number of people in our age group who never smoked.
It makes perfect sense cause they're the only ones who were honest enough with the annoyance that smoking causes to those around them to say something about it and do something about it, rather than continue to be a slave to the nicotine.
Down with smoke filled tournaments!!! HATE HATE HATE!
Down with smoke filled tournaments!!! HATE HATE HATE!
Njhustler1 said:
More smoking tournaments!! PUFF PUFF PUFF!!!
I quit smoking 3 yrs ago only because I started hearing myself breathe. it scared me to that my family is known for having congestive heart failure problems, sorry but I did not quit because it bothered someone else. I don`t drink booze anymore so I don`t go where they do. Owning a smoking allowed pool room and being in it all day long it tough, but I would be out of business any other way. Only if Penna, does the no smoking thing and it`s not allowed everywhere could I make it. WHICH IS THE LESS OF BOTH EVILS.
I do enforce NO SMOKING AT THE COUNTER WHERE I AM ALL DAY.
I do enforce NO SMOKING AT THE COUNTER WHERE I AM ALL DAY.
It be nice if some pool places would allow smoke and other places that dont allow. That way each person can choose on their own. I dont smoke, never liked it, but now I miss it because the pool rooms are a lot emptier. Smoke can kill but no smoking kills too - the business.
I'm not going to take a side because I know most people are already pretty firmly decided on this topic, but this doesn't make sense to me. What do all these people do instead of bowling or shooting pool or going to bars? Do they just sit at home and smoke?ccn7 said:
addicts rights, hmm, do we allow junkies to shoot up in public? Crack heads to blast thier pipes in public? I don't think it's unreasonable to ask smokers to go outside and smoke. As for the liberitarian arguements about the government not having the right to tell people what they can allow in thier public establishment, well the one thing that most people can agree on is that the government is supposed to have the publics best interest in mind.
Smokers don't just harm themselves, they harm the people around them, it's not just an inconvienience to non-smokers it's a health hazard.
If you had a chemical plant in your back yard you would expect that the government had the appropriate legislation in place to protect you and your community from any harmfull chemicals that could be released.
Second hand smoke is like being hit by a drunk driver except that it's a slower process, you may live you might not, but there's no arguing that there is a harmfull effect.
So as for smokers rights, they have the right to kill themselves slowly in a place that doesn't effect other people including other smokers.
Smokers don't just harm themselves, they harm the people around them, it's not just an inconvienience to non-smokers it's a health hazard.
If you had a chemical plant in your back yard you would expect that the government had the appropriate legislation in place to protect you and your community from any harmfull chemicals that could be released.
Second hand smoke is like being hit by a drunk driver except that it's a slower process, you may live you might not, but there's no arguing that there is a harmfull effect.
So as for smokers rights, they have the right to kill themselves slowly in a place that doesn't effect other people including other smokers.
If you don't like smoke then don't attend the event. The final decision should be left to the business owner, after all he is the one taking the risk on the business. I live in the Northeast where the states want to govern everything you do, they pile expense after expense on business owners to comply with their stupid laws while the states are making a fortune on the sale of tobacco products without any of the risk.
Be glad your part of the country is still somewhat free.
Be glad your part of the country is still somewhat free.
What's Next?
Do we do away with all the people that are drinking,swearing and even gambling if front of all the little kids that attend the Expo? No, these things will always be around "pool".Smoking included! Just my thoughts on the subject.
supergreenman said:addicts rights, hmm, do we allow junkies to shoot up in public? Crack heads to blast thier pipes in public? I don't think it's unreasonable to ask smokers to go outside and smoke. As for the liberitarian arguements about the government not having the right to tell people what they can allow in thier public establishment, well the one thing that most people can agree on is that the government is supposed to have the publics best interest in mind.
Smokers don't just harm themselves, they harm the people around them, it's not just an inconvienience to non-smokers it's a health hazard.
If you had a chemical plant in your back yard you would expect that the government had the appropriate legislation in place to protect you and your community from any harmfull chemicals that could be released.
Second hand smoke is like being hit by a drunk driver except that it's a slower process, you may live you might not, but there's no arguing that there is a harmfull effect.
So as for smokers rights, they have the right to kill themselves slowly in a place that doesn't effect other people including other smokers.
Do we do away with all the people that are drinking,swearing and even gambling if front of all the little kids that attend the Expo? No, these things will always be around "pool".Smoking included! Just my thoughts on the subject.
Here you go again
If you are going to make an argument at least make a logical one. First of all as I said before smoking in a pool room or wherever is a private place not in public. Number 2, it is illegal using drugs period whether in public or private. It is not illegal to smoke. If you think second hand smoke is dangerous to your health so be it, do not attend or go to smoking pool rooms. You do not have the right to impose your will on other people just as they don't on you. As a previous smoker of 40 years I sympathize with non-smokers plights but we all have a choice. Now walking down the street of a major city sucking up fumes, I have no choice. Does the government ban cars. Also for your information government bans smoking to protect employees. That is how they get around a businessmans rights. They make it a safety hazard for employees as they know they cannot get away with messing with all the population.
And for all the people that keep saying non-smoking rooms are going broke or cannot survive, you are way wrong. I used to think that was going to happen when they banned smoking in Calif. I fought it for a year, until I had to give in. It was bad for awhile but soon all the none smokers which is 3 times the population started coming in an being regulars. Soon it was a non issue and business was a lot better. The smokers adjusted and walked outside to have their smoke. They eventually understood it made it fair for everyone. Since most people would like to quit smoking they started using the pool room atmosphere to cut back. They actually liked it after awhile and some have even quit completely. I was a 3 pack a day smoker and quit cold turkey 7 years ago but ironically smoking rooms, or smokers do not bother me. Someone mentioned the DCC, I was there twice and it didn't bother me. Everyone is different. My wife smokes, doesn't bother me. I really believe it is over exaggerated when berating the health effects and the smell but thats o.k. I still believe if you don't like it. lump it. If it is legal, then it is a business owners right to allow smoking and you have to deal with it. But don't compare illegal activities with legal ones, that is ludicrous. I told you before people have a right to tell you not to go in a smoking room. It is a private business not a public place.
supergreenman said:addicts rights, hmm, do we allow junkies to shoot up in public? Crack heads to blast thier pipes in public? I don't think it's unreasonable to ask smokers to go outside and smoke. As for the liberitarian arguements about the government not having the right to tell people what they can allow in thier public establishment, well the one thing that most people can agree on is that the government is supposed to have the publics best interest in mind.
Smokers don't just harm themselves, they harm the people around them, it's not just an inconvienience to non-smokers it's a health hazard.
If you had a chemical plant in your back yard you would expect that the government had the appropriate legislation in place to protect you and your community from any harmfull chemicals that could be released.
Second hand smoke is like being hit by a drunk driver except that it's a slower process, you may live you might not, but there's no arguing that there is a harmfull effect.
So as for smokers rights, they have the right to kill themselves slowly in a place that doesn't effect other people including other smokers.
If you are going to make an argument at least make a logical one. First of all as I said before smoking in a pool room or wherever is a private place not in public. Number 2, it is illegal using drugs period whether in public or private. It is not illegal to smoke. If you think second hand smoke is dangerous to your health so be it, do not attend or go to smoking pool rooms. You do not have the right to impose your will on other people just as they don't on you. As a previous smoker of 40 years I sympathize with non-smokers plights but we all have a choice. Now walking down the street of a major city sucking up fumes, I have no choice. Does the government ban cars. Also for your information government bans smoking to protect employees. That is how they get around a businessmans rights. They make it a safety hazard for employees as they know they cannot get away with messing with all the population.
And for all the people that keep saying non-smoking rooms are going broke or cannot survive, you are way wrong. I used to think that was going to happen when they banned smoking in Calif. I fought it for a year, until I had to give in. It was bad for awhile but soon all the none smokers which is 3 times the population started coming in an being regulars. Soon it was a non issue and business was a lot better. The smokers adjusted and walked outside to have their smoke. They eventually understood it made it fair for everyone. Since most people would like to quit smoking they started using the pool room atmosphere to cut back. They actually liked it after awhile and some have even quit completely. I was a 3 pack a day smoker and quit cold turkey 7 years ago but ironically smoking rooms, or smokers do not bother me. Someone mentioned the DCC, I was there twice and it didn't bother me. Everyone is different. My wife smokes, doesn't bother me. I really believe it is over exaggerated when berating the health effects and the smell but thats o.k. I still believe if you don't like it. lump it. If it is legal, then it is a business owners right to allow smoking and you have to deal with it. But don't compare illegal activities with legal ones, that is ludicrous. I told you before people have a right to tell you not to go in a smoking room. It is a private business not a public place.
Allen has promised that the whole tournament area and food area both upstairs and downstairs will be non-smoking this year. Not sure the smokers will have to go but it seems like it might be outside. Come again and stop by my booth.Njhustler1 said:
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Here's two cents from a room owner and smoker.
The smoking ban took effect here in Toronto Canada almost two years ago. It had a very negative effect on many, MANY businesses here. They promised that the majority of the population (being non-smokers) would start coming out. They haven't come out yet. A few have but they did not stay nearly as long as the smokers DID. The smokers that hung out for 4-8 hours only stuck around for 1 or two drinks then left.
Businesses began going under. Mostly smaller establishments that couldn't compete with places that could afford DSR's(tiny designated smoking rooms costing ten-twenty grand). Many folks in the hospitality industry were all of a sudden un-employed.
The government is now about to ban DSR's forcing those that spent alot of money on these rooms to tear them down so smokers will have to go outside. Soon they will have to be certain distance from the entrance to the building.
This hurts more since we have some pretty cold winters here.
My busiest season was winter but now, I don't know what this winter will bring.
I absolutely agree that smoking is bad and I would never want to expose my smoke to anyone that did not want to breath it in. I once had a league tournament(before the ban) where the majority were smokers and the minority were non-smokers. I sided with the non-smokers for it was a mere inconvenience for the smokers to go outside while it was the non-smokers RIGHT to not have to breath it in. This decision cost me but it was IMO the right decision and I still stick by it.
Which brings me to my point;
I feel it should be MY decision and not the governments. They sold and still sell the smokes and got many people addicted. About 80% of the price of smokes here are taxes. They are still making alot of money off the sale of cigs while many businesses and employees are going broke. They should know that most of the smokers will not be able to quit immediately. I have tried many times and spent alot of money on non-smoking aids. It's not easy as you can ask MOST smokers that have tried. Those that did quit, I commend you but please don't look down on us just because we couldn't as easily as you.
If we allow the individual owner to make their own decisions, the public will decide who is right. I just don't want to hear from the non-smokers who don't even go to bars/poolrooms to decide who I can allow in my room.
The smoking ban took effect here in Toronto Canada almost two years ago. It had a very negative effect on many, MANY businesses here. They promised that the majority of the population (being non-smokers) would start coming out. They haven't come out yet. A few have but they did not stay nearly as long as the smokers DID. The smokers that hung out for 4-8 hours only stuck around for 1 or two drinks then left.
Businesses began going under. Mostly smaller establishments that couldn't compete with places that could afford DSR's(tiny designated smoking rooms costing ten-twenty grand). Many folks in the hospitality industry were all of a sudden un-employed.
The government is now about to ban DSR's forcing those that spent alot of money on these rooms to tear them down so smokers will have to go outside. Soon they will have to be certain distance from the entrance to the building.
This hurts more since we have some pretty cold winters here.
My busiest season was winter but now, I don't know what this winter will bring.
I absolutely agree that smoking is bad and I would never want to expose my smoke to anyone that did not want to breath it in. I once had a league tournament(before the ban) where the majority were smokers and the minority were non-smokers. I sided with the non-smokers for it was a mere inconvenience for the smokers to go outside while it was the non-smokers RIGHT to not have to breath it in. This decision cost me but it was IMO the right decision and I still stick by it.
Which brings me to my point;
I feel it should be MY decision and not the governments. They sold and still sell the smokes and got many people addicted. About 80% of the price of smokes here are taxes. They are still making alot of money off the sale of cigs while many businesses and employees are going broke. They should know that most of the smokers will not be able to quit immediately. I have tried many times and spent alot of money on non-smoking aids. It's not easy as you can ask MOST smokers that have tried. Those that did quit, I commend you but please don't look down on us just because we couldn't as easily as you.
If we allow the individual owner to make their own decisions, the public will decide who is right. I just don't want to hear from the non-smokers who don't even go to bars/poolrooms to decide who I can allow in my room.
I'll just throw my two cents in.
If pool room owners really cared about this, and cared about their customers.
They would install (i.e. pony up the money) air filtration systems.
With a good one, you can have dozens of people smoking in one area, and no "death cloud".
It's a simple answer.
Smokers can smoke, non-smokers don't have to.
Thanks,
Jon~*~Smoker
If pool room owners really cared about this, and cared about their customers.
They would install (i.e. pony up the money) air filtration systems.
With a good one, you can have dozens of people smoking in one area, and no "death cloud".
It's a simple answer.
Smokers can smoke, non-smokers don't have to.
Thanks,
Jon~*~Smoker