Smoking Cigarettes at Expos

[supergreenman]

Good point but... Are we not now talking about a "convenience" issue then? The last few I was in, yes it was very smokey, but not at the tables. It was set up so that the tables were all in a middle section with sitting tables around the edges, there were no food/drink smoking AT the table, and the only ones allowed in the middle section were the Players actually playing that set. All others the outer ring.

as postd it is still a financial issue. If there are enough people at a local hall that do not smoke and come in enough, they should ask the owner to create a area that is smoke free. But if a non-smoker goes to an hall/event that has a majority of smokers then I am sorry, they are out numbered. When I quit the first time, I HATED the smell of smoke, but realized it was there choice to smoke, and mine not to bearound it if I chose...

According to Government figures. Smokers are by far the minority in the population. from Stats Canada websitehttp://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/tobac-tabac/research-recherche/stat/ctums-esutc/fs-if/2003/2003-smok-fum_e.html
Perhaps the next time you're at a pool hall you might want to take a look around and see exactly who's smoking and who's not. I cannot honestly believe that %20-35 of the general population make up the majority of people who frequent a pool hall. In fact I believe them to be a minority, why should they inconvinience the non-smokers around them and subject them to future health risks.

And the last I checked, being able to breath wasn't a convienience.

 

[Scott Lee]

The Super Billiards Expo starting Mar06 will be a complete non-smoking event.

Ross...Is this in print anywhere, or just a rumor? I would say I'd be thrilled if it is for real, along with most others posting on this thread.

Scott Lee

 

[Crispy Fish]

Personal preferences aside, does anybody know what effect cigarette smoke has on tables? I know if I'm in a smoky room, even if I'm not smoking myself, my clothes will smell quite strongly of cigarettes afterward. I have to imagine some of this stuff gets into the table cloth as well. Does this shorten the life of the cloth?

Well, this thread should be good for some heated exchanges...

But before that happens, I do hope somebody gets a chance to answer my question...

 

[crawdaddio]

I really enjoy a smoke filled poolroom. I won't go to a poolhall or bar where I can't smoke. Ruins it for me. I certainly don't wish ill health on others around me, and consider myself a considerate smoker. However, it is my right to smoke in an area that allows it, plain and simple. If they don't allow it, I won't go there. As a non-smoker, if they allow it, don't go there. Simple. I've heard this debate many times before; good arguments on both sides of the coin, but everytime it comes up I can't help but think of a child crying because he can't have his way. I won't cry if they ban it here, I will just stop frequenting places where I can't smoke. God bless America..............

" Rather than living a clean life and die leaving an attractive, well preserved corpse, I would slam into death sideways, screeching to a halt in a beat up, well used body, knowing I've lived this life to the fullest."

"Party on Wayne..........."

 

[ironman]

No Smoking!

First of all, I smoke like a train. I neither condone it, nor am I proud of it.
I was at the Riv in Vegas last year for a couple of days and the hallways were sinfully thick with smoke. If we voted to ban smoking at all events, I would be all for it.
I know, what an idiot, why don't you just quit? When it comes to this, I'm just a weak P.O.S.

 

[Njhustler1]

Supergreenman - good point. if the smokers are in the minority, why in the world do they get their way? its time for the tournament hosts to wake up to this fact.

Crawdaddio - you must be one confused person. you say you love the filthy discusting air of a pool hall and anyone else can go piss of, but your icon says you like the outdoors and the fresh air. Do you smoke like a fiend when you're hiking in sacoya national park? (just a guess but the picture looks like that park to me).

Ironman - here here, brotha. take us to the promised land. now if we can only save the rest.

Down with smoke filled tournaments!!!

 

[cuejoey]

Why just because someone does smoke do they feel they have the right to populate the air in public places with their deadly fumes?

Why ? i think Alot of smokers do not realize how bad they smell...each and every time you come in contact with smoke it smells so bad like you haven't taken a shower or cleaned your clothes for months..like a bum on the street....if you want to smoke carry a clear plastic bag put it over your head so you can get your money's worth and full effect of cancer early ..Then "puff puff puff that cigarette away,puff puff puff your life away"

 

[Snapshot9]

I won't even ...

I am smoker, and have smoked as long as I have played Pool,
about 44 years. It is my choice, and I live with any consequences
as we all do from our choices in life. I enjoy smoking, and have
no intentions of quitting. No smoking (or no liquor or food) Pool
rooms will have a hard time financially. Anywhere you restrict
people by not offering what they want, the business will suffer.
You non-smokers get carried away with all your pissing and moaning.
It is like a Pool room that doesn't allow gambling, it just does not
work .... period .. One of our Pool rooms here had to learn that
(our nicest as a matter of fact). You say smokers are a minority.
Well, that may or may not be true, I don't put much stock in
sampled surverys because they are usually sqewed. From what I
have seen in my area anyway is that the majority of Poolplayers
playing are smokers, or it is half and half at best, not to mention
the spectators. I would not play at a non-smoking Pool room, and
you do not have to play at a smoking one. We both make our choices,
and are responsible for them. Pool rooms should have good ventilation
systems though. Everyone has their little 'things' about them.
I know people that start drinking Mountain Dew's at 7 in the morning,
and down 6 before lunch everyday, but that is their choice.

 

[alstl]

I quit the only league I've been in a few weeks ago precisely because I couldn't handle the smoke in the place. I go jogging every day and I noticed it for a couple days after league night. I do miss playing in the league, I made some friends there and enjoyed the competition but it isn't worth it.


If somebody would open a smoke free room in St Louis they would get my business.

 

[Zorro]

The Derby City Classic is worse. I've never been exposed to so much smoke in my life and I've been tending bar for 35 years. I've been to Valley Forge and Louisville is smokier. It's disgusting for smokers and non smokers alike.
TommyT

Yes! Louisville has the smokiest practice (ie, gambling) room I have ever seen. After a few days my eyes were constantly burning and my sinuses were full--it was torture --but I didn't dog it--my desire to sweat the action and get a bet down here and there completely overwhelmed my better judgment and any desire for a healthful environment. If the action wasn't so d??? good I would never go there again.

PS--I already reserved a room for next January months ago!

 

[Zorro]

I am smoker, and have smoked as long as I have played Pool,
about 44 years. It is my choice, and I live with any consequences
as we all do from our choices in life. I enjoy smoking, and have
no intentions of quitting. No smoking (or no liquor or food) Pool
rooms will have a hard time financially. Anywhere you restrict
people by not offering what they want, the business will suffer.
You non-smokers get carried away with all your pissing and moaning.
It is like a Pool room that doesn't allow gambling, it just does not
work .... period .. One of our Pool rooms here had to learn that
(our nicest as a matter of fact). You say smokers are a minority.
Well, that may or may not be true, I don't put much stock in
sampled surverys because they are usually sqewed. From what I
have seen in my area anyway is that the majority of Poolplayers
playing are smokers, or it is half and half at best, not to mention
the spectators. I would not play at a non-smoking Pool room, and
you do not have to play at a smoking one. We both make our choices,
and are responsible for them. Pool rooms should have good ventilation
systems though. Everyone has their little 'things' about them.
I know people that start drinking Mountain Dew's at 7 in the morning,
and down 6 before lunch everyday, but that is their choice.

I wish rooms did have better ventilation--that might solve it for me. Here in the DC area we have one county that is smoke free (Montgomery County), but that's not enough to get me to play there; I like to be where the action is, and it's seems to be better in the smoking counties and cities in the DC area.

 

[Gregg]

I quit the only league I've been in a few weeks ago precisely because I couldn't handle the smoke in the place. I go jogging every day and I noticed it for a couple days after league night. I do miss playing in the league, I made some friends there and enjoyed the competition but it isn't worth it.


If somebody would open a smoke free room in St Louis they would get my business.

You wouldn't have lasted a few minutes in my leage. I am not sensitive nor bothered by smoke, but I had to physically walk out of the room for five minutes just so I could breathe a little. You could cut the smoke with a knife and can see swirling smoke clouds in the lights above.

Anybody who tries to compare body oder with smoke is kidding himself. I used to dress nice to go out to the pool hall to shoot and socialize, but now find myself finding any old thing out of the clothes hamper since in a few hours when I come home they are going to reek when I get home. Ask anybody when I walk in the door.

 

[cuejoey]

I am smoker, and have smoked as long as I have played Pool,
about 44 years. It is my choice, and I live with any consequences
as we all do from our choices in life. I enjoy smoking, and have
no intentions of quitting. No smoking (or no liquor or food) Pool
rooms will have a hard time financially. Anywhere you restrict
people by not offering what they want, the business will suffer.
You non-smokers get carried away with all your pissing and moaning.
It is like a Pool room that doesn't allow gambling, it just does not
work .... period .. One of our Pool rooms here had to learn that
(our nicest as a matter of fact). You say smokers are a minority.
Well, that may or may not be true, I don't put much stock in
sampled surverys because they are usually sqewed. From what I
have seen in my area anyway is that the majority of Poolplayers
playing are smokers, or it is half and half at best, not to mention
the spectators. I would not play at a non-smoking Pool room, and
you do not have to play at a smoking one. We both make our choices,
and are responsible for them. Pool rooms should have good ventilation
systems though. Everyone has their little 'things' about them.
I know people that start drinking Mountain Dew's at 7 in the morning,
and down 6 before lunch everyday, but that is their choice.

Snapshot :::if you want to smoke that's fine But when you are creating an enviroment that bothers people around you then that is wrong...if like u say someone wants to have a Mountain Dew and 6 others before noon then who are they bothering by doing that ? second hand smoke is Now a Known threat for the health of a person...i say if u want to smoke go outside and suck the hell out of that cigarette get every bit of smoke that u can inhale in your lungs...bst of luck...

 

[Gregg]

I quit the only league I've been in a few weeks ago precisely because I couldn't handle the smoke in the place. I go jogging every day and I noticed it for a couple days after league night. I do miss playing in the league, I made some friends there and enjoyed the competition but it isn't worth it.


If somebody would open a smoke free room in St Louis they would get my business.

You wouldn't have lasted a few minutes in my league. I am not sensitive nor bothered by smoke, but I had to physically walk out of the room for five minutes just so I could breathe a little. You could cut the smoke with a knife and can see swirling smoke clouds in the lights above.

Anybody who tries to compare body oder with smoke is kidding himself. I used to dress nice to go out to the pool hall to shoot and socialize, but now find myself finding any old thing out of the clothes hamper since in a few hours when I come home they are going to reek when I get home. Ask anybody when I walk in the door.

 

[jjinfla]

I was at the pool room yesterday evening in a tournament. 5 1/2 hours. And I am paying for it today. And the owner recently bought 5 more smoke eaters to go with the 6 he already had. The owner and his wife are non-smokers but he sure does allow smoking because it seems the smokers also like to drink - the hard stuff - at $4.50 a shot, and doubles at that. After about 3 hours I was in pain and finally the smoke won out. A non-smoker has a distinct disadvantage when playing in a tournament where the place is full of smoke.

It will probably be another month before I get up the courage to go back there. And do battle with the smoke.

But old age has caught up with me and this old body just can't take it anymore. Thankfully I have 6 tables here in a smoke free environment.

I quit, the last time, in 1975 when I was going through at least two packs a day. Sure glad I did. I can't imagine spending $6 a day, $180 a month on cigs. No wonder people complain about not being able to buy a nice cue.

And yes, the room is much cleaner, as are the tables, in a smoke free room. At least that is what the owner of Anastasia's in St Augustine told me.

Jake

 

[1pRoscoe]

Ross...Is this in print anywhere, or just a rumor? I would say I'd be thrilled if it is for real, along with most others posting on this thread.

Scott Lee

Yup - I wrote it yesterday at 2:06pm! Actually, JAM was talking about this months ago and got word directly from Allen Hopkins.

 

[catscradle]

.... But if a non-smoker goes to an hall/event that has a majority of smokers then I am sorry, they are out numbered. When I quit the first time, I HATED the smell of smoke, but realized it was there choice to smoke, and mine not to bearound it if I chose...

In point of fact I think smokers are in a minority in most rooms that allow smoking, they just generate one hell of a lot of smoke. I think non-smokers will put up with the smoke out of love of pool, and I think the owners count on this so they can keep their smokers coming and at the table by allowing smoking.
I don't know how valid this anecdote is, but a guy I knew who managed a room with a smoking section and a non-smoking section kept track of the amount of business each section generated. Though he got more traffic in the non-smoking section, according to him those in the smoking section stayed longer and spent more money.

 

[BillYards]

Yeah, I gotta throw the bullcrap flag when anyone defends smoking by comparing it to drinking, BO, or perfume... The problem with smoking is that it physically affects other people. It harms their health and makes their clothes stink. You could get an upset stomach from smelling some really bad BO, but it won't stick to your clothing so that you can't get away from it without doing a load of laundry.

Smokers just don't realize how much they STINK. They don't realize how much they make other peoples' clothing STINK. I would be too embarassed to be a smoker and be around other people.

I don't run into the bar and spray smokers with cologne that they have to smell on their clothes even after they have gotten home.

Smokers are addicts and don't give a damn about anyone elses' rights or comfort as long as they are getting their nicotine fix. They also don't see a butt thrown on the ground as litter. Dang, don't get me started!!

 

[catscradle]

... but now find myself finding any old thing out of the clothes hamper since in a few hours when I come home they are going to reek when I get home. Ask anybody when I walk in the door.

When MA still allowed smoking, I used to go right down to the basement when I got home and took off my clothes in the laundry area so they didn't stink up the rest of the house. There is no doubt smoking sucks and I'm glad MA went non-smoking, but I do have some qualms about big brother sticking his nose in private business.

 

[catscradle]

...
I quit, the last time, in 1975 when I was going through at least two packs a day. Sure glad I did. I can't imagine spending $6 a day, $180 a month on cigs. No wonder people complain about not being able to buy a nice cue.
Jake

I quit 2 packs of Luckys a day in '69 in anticipation of getting out of the military and paying 30 odd cents a pack. Cheap old (young at that time I guess) bastard, I refused to pay more than px prices. I would think the amount of money smokers poney up these days would be enough incentive all by itself for them to quit. Hell that's the payment on a new car.