So... Billy Thorpe fouled right?
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Players, even the best of them, make mistakes.
...lotta pressure on the ref...he’s not allowed any..or he’ll be remembered for one mistake..
...Ed Liddawi apologizes on FB...can you imagine the volume if every player did the same thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeFDv8EFHoE
Yea, lol..
it's not like it has to be death by castration.
yeah right, stoning to death would be enough lol
btw not 100% sure, but the score was 6 5 billy i think, so it made a difference if true
Well that bad call did have a serious affect on the outcome of the game. Biado tied the game up and played safe. That's when Thorpe jumped ball and fouled. He ran that game out and then took the next game, so that bad call cost 2 games in a match that ended up hill-hill. True, it was relatively early in the match at 5-5 but it was huge momentum killer for Biado as he came back from 4-1 down I believe.
What's odd is the announcers called it a foul and Biado even complained to the ref, but I guess there's no review? Either way both players continued on and even though it was a mistake I think both players handled it correctly at the time. What exactly is there left to do but continue on? No way should Thorpe forfeit the game then or now. It was a bad call that had an affect on the game (and maybe tournament) but it happens.
In this case I think that if you have the luxury of having a video review you should use it. They are doing exactly this in most other sports now. Why not pool?
By the way, we have done video reviews of shots several times in Mosconi Cup play.
By the way, we have done video reviews of shots several times in Mosconi Cup play.
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I agree....we got it...use it
You may want to read what I wrote again for clarification. The referee does need to be in the BEST POSITION POSSIBLE to see the shot! He may even have to "hover" near the player on occasion. That should not bother a good player if the referee stands perfectly still during the shot. I've had to do it many, many times with no complaints.
Just to clarify your last point, most of the time the referee does not need to be that close to the table. I'm talking about exceptional situations where he needs to move in closer. It happens!
Well, this was on TV table. Commentators could have advised the ref. Everyone saw it. Pretty shameful in my opinion because it could change the outcome of the match. And it is hard to believe Thorpe did not notice as the 6 moved almost an inch.
I don't think it's fair to Billy to say that he has to forfeit to "make it right", especially since it wasn't necessarily a match-deciding call. The ref was asked to make a call, and Billy and Carlo both accepted the call and moved on with the match. I understand that it's not fair to Carlo that the wrong call was made, but Billy may have won the match even with the right call. Even if, and this is a big "if", Billy thought he may have fouled, the purpose of having a ref for every match is so that the players don't have to make that call themselves and can focus on playing the game.
^^^^^^ Agree
Typically when you jump a ball, a bad hit results in multiple balls bouncing around. The 6 was feathered and it moved slightly with no noise or path change to the cue ball. Super easy not to notice on a long jump.
Maybe streaming people should reach out to the Referee team to work out a process to make this resource available and useful to the referees.
In the NBA, the refs meet at the scorer table and they flip a small flat screen around and watch the replays.
However the streaming company in pool has to be set up for it with a separate video feed and recording made, because to review it without the separate feed, they would have to stop recording the current match to review the video.
I know I have an accu stat DVD somewhere, I can't remember the match, but they faded out and broke recording so they could review the shot. So it's been done in the past.
I now understand that it wasn't on the hill-hill game, so I no longer think he should concede the match.
However, I do stand by my statement that, IF it had been hill-hill, and he later realized that it was definitely a foul, he should concede even though it's already over.
He is not in a position to override the ruling, to his detriment or benefit.
Of course he is.
Fans have to keep in mind that this is how some players make or break their living. I dont expect any player with a ref at the table to overturn a refs call to their detriment. Or call one on themselves when no ref is present. I have called many a foul on myself, but its not my job or job to do.
If a ump in baseball makes a bad call, is there an extra out given? In football you need to risk a time out(if you have one) to challenge a call and they have a replay. Etc. Etc.
Ref made a bad call, you know the risk before you enter.
No doubt it wasnt quite fair. Thats the way she rolls. Thats my crappy opinion anyways.
If a ump in baseball makes a bad call, is there an extra out given? In football you need to risk a time out(if you have one) to challenge a call and they have a replay. Etc. Etc.
Ref made a bad call, you know the risk before you enter.
No doubt it wasnt quite fair. Thats the way she rolls. Thats my crappy opinion anyways.
There's one thing I would bet on in all this, and that's Billy didn't see it move. I know I'm looking at the object ball only as soon as I hit the cue ball.
If the other player says it moved, I'm asking for a review or comment from the booth and not taking the refs word over the other player because I want the truth and tend to believe my opponent(if they're known to be honest
Jason
No, he really isn't.
What you are claiming would result in chaos, participants not being bound by authority.
No argument, the ref made the wrong call. There should also be a protest mechanism with an additional layer or consideration, i.e.: replay...but disregard of the ref's decision? No way.