So many shafts so little time

Lazerrus

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Ok I can only imagine where this going to go but I must ask. How does one decide on what aftermarket shaft to upgrade to without spending thousands of dollars. It seems every cue company out there now has not 1 not 2 but 3 or more low deflection shaft models. All claim to be the best. Reading reviews on these things really don't help much either. I am a mid range player and I do own a 1st gen 314. I do like it. I don't think it changes my game all that much. I am really beginning to wonder if it is worth the money and time to find that "magic combination". You can spend so much time picking a cue or having a custom made and then even more time trying to upgrade the shaft. Unless you have already found your happy medium. It's like buying a car and then picking out tires that handle the road the best. They all say they do but do they really differ. I am just curious how you guys decide upon a certain one over the other. I have always been happy with stock shafts from custom makers and even really like my stock Schon shafts. So maybe I don't even need to upgrade but some players swear by it. So let's hear it.....ducks and covers Predators, Tigers, and OB's ohh my!
 
Ok I can only imagine where this going to go but I must ask. How does one decide on what aftermarket shaft to upgrade to without spending thousands of dollars. It seems every cue company out there now has not 1 not 2 but 3 or more low deflection shaft models. All claim to be the best. Reading reviews on these things really don't help much either. I am a mid range player and I do own a 1st gen 314. I do like it. I don't think it changes my game all that much. I am really beginning to wonder if it is worth the money and time to find that "magic combination". You can spend so much time picking a cue or having a custom made and then even more time trying to upgrade the shaft. Unless you have already found your happy medium. It's like buying a car and then picking out tires that handle the road the best. They all say they do but do they really differ. I am just curious how you guys decide upon a certain one over the other. I have always been happy with stock shafts from custom makers and even really like my stock Schon shafts. So maybe I don't even need to upgrade but some players swear by it. So let's hear it.....ducks and covers Predators, Tigers, and OB's ohh my!

You should give the LD-Shaft from the $Cue-Shop a try ... they are excellent made out of selected Shaftwood ... you may have even the option to get a special weight done to keep the balance of your cue

Just a thought Dude

Merry X-mas
Berny
 
well first you need to decide what kind of taper you like, be it whats commonly refered to as a pro taper or a conical, and then tip size and taper length, thats why they have 2 to 3 or more models.

pro (314, ob1, i2) | | conical (z, ob2, i3) /\
............................/. \ ............................/. \


then on the i1 and 314 fat, its a pro just a thicker shaft with a shorter taper.

the taper type, length and thickness will determin how flexible the shaft is which will give a stiffer or more whippy fealing.


in short, everyone has a different preferance of feal, and the only way to find yours is to spend thousands to find it or to settle and make do with what you have. your the only one that can aswer as to wether or not the time and money is worth it.
 
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First I bought a 314 and liked it very much
then I tried an OB1 and liked it even more.
I hope I don't try anymore...
 
I played Predator for 2 years staright. 314, 314-2, Z2, etc

I tried OB-1 but was never a fan

Tried Schon ... nice but can't compare it to the above

However, I recently purchased a Scruggs with laminated shafts. They are the nutz. I am currently selling all my Predator equipment as I feel it will never be able to equal the quality/feel I get from Tim's shafts.

I guess it's a matter of experiencing different stuff till you find what you like
 
It's my opinion that many of these options are simply good marketing. Monsconi ran 526 with out a predator or other LD shaft. Some may say he could have run 1000 with one. We will never know.

People search for the magic bullet and if they "think" they can play better with it, then perhaps they indeed can. I will for the time being stick with the shafts that my cue makers provide me with the cue.
 
I've shot with quite a few after market shafts

All Three Predators
Ob1 &2
Tiger x
Meucci Black Dot
Custom Flat Laminate

They are all good shafts, but I really don't care for them....which is why I never bought one (just used diff friends to test)

Have been shooting with a Weinstock Custom for about 5yrs.
Before that I shot with a custom heubler, and a production one.

I still like the way the hueblers play.

But nothing beats my Weinstock shaft for how I play. He uses a modified conical taper, there is not one aftermarket shaft that out preforms it in my opinion (at least the ones I've tried).

There is only one thing that really makes the difference in how well a shaft hits if you ask me.....and thats the TAPER.

I don't like them going back straight for forever, I like to have it straight for maybe the first 8" and then it builds slightly to around 12" and then goes mostly conical untill it gets around 6" from the joint. That last 6" has the taper from the butt carried over into it.

It gives the shaft some good spine, while not building too quickly as to feel fat. I just point the stick to where I want to hit the obj ball and it goes. I don't have to adjust which is why I love it so much....It just shoots straight and true to original aim.

I also keep my ferrules 1/2", and I do not like an Ivory ferrule as it makes the shaft shoot crooked to me, because of all the end mass.

In a way the Weinstock is a Low Deflection Shaft....it just uses the taper, spine, and short ferrule to get the results. As opposed to hollow sections, no ferrules etc...


Don't O.D. on the L.D.
Grey Ghost
 
I first tried the OB1 and really liked it. I then tried the 314-2 and liked the play of it the same, but got very accustomed to the specific taper of that shaft so I am staying with it.

I have come to the realization that I am neurotic when it comes to pool. When I find a product that I like I tend to think in the back of my mind that there might be something I like even more. This is how I have tried both the OB1 and 314-2. It is also how I came to find the Sniper tip, but also tried every other one out there. I learned after spending a lot of money that I need to stick with what I like instead of searching for that magic arrow.
 
If you like your Schon shaft, try putting a Kamui on it. If you really want to spend the money on a shaft, I would suggest either Lakewood or old growth. You need to find out what taper you like though.
 
I've always preferred a thicker shaft (well, since I was a kid) and wonder why none of these hi-end radial type shafts are available in anything more than 12.75mm?

Does anyone know of a similar shaft that can be had with a 13.1mm diameter?
 
I prefer the G-Core shaft, by McDermott. I use the smaller shaft (11.75mm), and think it plays better than other LD shafts...at least for me! :grin: It's also less $$$ than the others.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Underclocked...Both Predator and McDermott offer a 13mm LD shaft. Predator's is called the "Fat Cat", and McDermott's is called the G-Core (comes in 3 sizes...11.75, 12.5 and 13mm).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I've always preferred a thicker shaft (well, since I was a kid) and wonder why none of these hi-end radial type shafts are available in anything more than 12.75mm?

Does anyone know of a similar shaft that can be had with a 13.1mm diameter?
 
It's my opinion that many of these options are simply good marketing. Monsconi ran 526 with out a predator or other LD shaft. Some may say he could have run 1000 with one. We will never know.

People search for the magic bullet and if they "think" they can play better with it, then perhaps they indeed can. I will for the time being stick with the shafts that my cue makers provide me with the cue.

My sentiments, exactly!
 
Yea your right scott, I almost forgot about the McDermott shafts...they do play pretty descent, just never liked their taper but the hit is good. I also forgot that the PFD that I showed you (that I don't even play with lol) the second shaft has the G-Core made by Paul....I find it hits better than the regular shaft, both play well and have a nice taper but the playability for my liking got goofed with the addition of the Ivory Ferrules....

I've gotten so used to staying in the center of the ball with the Weinstock (i rarely go more than a half to 3/4 tip out when using english) that when I do hit a ball with the PFD those Ivory ferrules throw some serious Portuguese on the ball, makes me think I been sniffin chemicals offshore.

To each man his own, but I don't like saying Ivory and Ferrule in the same sentence, unless I'm talking about Trick Shots....which is what the PFD is going to be relegated to once I get my camera to film.


Ivory Ferrules

PROS- Stays clean, its pretty, it adds value to the cue.

CONS- Too heavy and makes for a sloppy inaccurate cue ball delivery track


Its like a Meucci.....the ferrules are WAY TOO LONG, if you got a meucci and find it plays too sloppy then get the ferrule cut down to 1/2" or 3/4" at least and it will play much straighter.

Tips fall into that category also.....I can't stand when a tip is a taller than the twin towers I see them all the time at 8-10MM high, I find a tip plays much better around 3-5mm high and I keep mine at 4mm and when it gets to 3mm or just under I change it.

So with that in mind my nightmare of a shaft is a weak thin taper and no spine (like meucci) with a 1" Ivory Ferrule and a tip thats about 8-10mm (just about 3/8")

I never understood why some cues are built with inherent issues that basically fight the inherent goal of delivering the cue ball in as straight a line as possible.

That and I find it rediclous that they charge so much for these aftermarket shafts. They waste much less wood with all the spliced designs, which saves a ton of $$. They put on a short ferrule from lighter material and drill a hole and charge TOP DOLLAR?

The only thing more gaffed is the old growth wood thing.....old wood can be just as garbage a young wood. Same thing with grains per inch, I've seen some 4-6GPI shafts play lights out, and some high count GPI's play like doo doo. Some one awhile back said that the sunken maple they got, that they could turn the shaft down in one day without any residual warping or shifting! Now if thats not some black magic I don't know what is.

I did realize this the other day....

unilock joints suck b/c there is not enough contact area for full energy usage and transfer.

the radial pin has the most contact area and helps the cue to work more efficiently.

What I realized is that Paul Heubler must have had this in his mind. The idea of full thread contact through and through, so he made the nylon inserts in his shafts. Huebler cues go together better than most every cue on the market, snug all the way from start to finish. Tho he didn't invent the radial pin, it is arguable that he was the first to develop the ideas that make the radial pin so effective.

If you tried to machine the inserts that precise out of metal you would end up galling the threads when you put the cue together, but the nylon will give just a bit and still hold its shape to get as close to 100% thread contact as you can. Thats one of the things that made his products so consistent day in and day out.

don't ever buy hype, buy what you need and what works.
Grey Ghost
 
I took strokes with 4 different cues last night. One was a cheap Southwest clone, the three others were Dale Perry. They all had tips slightly over 13mm. I have to say that my sense of feel for all four cues was all had a similar hit. I never owned a Southwest but I have owned a few Kersenbrocks back when... this clone sure didn't have the same feel (as best I can remember).

I think I need lots of work. My sense of touch through the cue just isn't there like it once was. A broom handle might work just as well for me. :grin:
 
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