So Simple, Free, therefore must not useful

Ratta said:
Agree-

but anyway: much more important (or sad, too) is imo, that he has not a single bit of understanding about pivot systems- or every orther system except cp to cp or GB.

And in such a case usually give one advice : if i don t know anything about something...no matter what it is: I better shutup and start to learn.
Easiest and most fruitful solution- - and: you would be in big danger TO LEARN maybe something again :-)
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Great post as usual
 
SpiderWebComm said:
No, I just think that people who can't draw their rock shouldn't be lecturing others on how to play and knock any technique with conviction. I don't give a shit if someone uses ghostball, shadow ball, back of the ball or whatever ball system.
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You've seen how many aiming types play, haven't you? Yet you defend their rights to lecture others on how to play the game to the death.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Those that use aiming systems and are still shit, and don't mind putting themseleves on camera to prove it.

:rolleyes:

Meanwhile, every great champion still just bangs it in.
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If you really think that champions don't have a consistent way of aiming, but just "bang 'em in", you really have no clue to playing pool or snooker at all. The ONLY ones that just bang 'em in, are the bangers.

Just because a champion can't describe just how the aim, doesn't mean that they haven't figured out a consistent way to do so. No one gets to championship level by just banging 'em in.
 
Neil said:
If you really think that champions don't have a consistent way of aiming, but just "bang 'em in", you really have no clue to playing pool or snooker at all. The ONLY ones that just bang 'em in, are the bangers.

Just because a champion can't describe just how the aim, doesn't mean that they haven't figured out a consistent way to do so. No one gets to championship level by just banging 'em in.
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everyone gets to championship level by just banging 'em in.

What does it tell you that champions 'can't describe just how they aim'?
 
Ron Swanson said:
everyone gets to championship level by just banging 'em in.

What does it tell you that champions 'can't describe just how they aim'?
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It tells you that they don't think about the process itself, and aren't interested in describing it to others.

They do it completely unconsciously at this point.

They are at a higher level because of natural aptitude, and countless hours of practice.

Those of us without the natural aptitude, and/or the countless hours to practice/play, can certainly try to examine what is likely to work best for most people, and try to emulate those techniques, in order to try and make improvements in our own game.

You know this, you are just trying to stir the pot.
 
Fact is:
nowadays there are enough examples (and many of em) who has just reached a super high level of skill much earlier. And thats because of the informations we have nowadays. much more structured knowledge about how to practice, to do the right things right at the beginning of the journey.

Not just aiming- also about the fundamentals themselves. Aiming is a big part for sure- but the amount of knowledge just has grown in a big manner-and so it is with the far more knowledged instructors- and now all the new players can benefit from these things- and the learning curve is just easier to manage than in the *old days*.

I like it- there s still so much to learn- i m so often surprised that also an "old bag" like me find something, which looks new to me. And i m pretty thankful for that!
My interests in learning more about pivot systems- no matter iif it was real cte, pro1, 90/90, see-system etcetera....just widened my horizon-- it presented me for sure some new grey hair :p....but it was worth every single minute to learn about it.

learning new stuff is just one thing:

FUN

may all of you havea smooth stroke,

lg from overseas.
 
justadub said:
It tells you that they don't think about the process itself, and aren't interested in describing it to others.

They do it completely unconsciously at this point.

They are at a higher level because of natural aptitude, and countless hours of practice.

Those of us without the natural aptitude, and/or the countless hours to practice/play, can certainly try to examine what is likely to work best for most people, and try to emulate those techniques, in order to try and make improvements in our own game.

You know this, you are just trying to stir the pot.
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I'm just stirring the pot by saying you only improve because you complement talent with practice, just like, er, you are saying? :confused:

Anyway, keep slurping the kool aid, you'll get better or die trying.
 
I don't understand the point of this thread. Why are we really arguing about what a champion does or doesn't do? It obviously hasn't made anyone in this thread, or anyone who argues in similar threads a champion. Who are any of us to try and claim what a champion does or doesn't do? I just don't get it.
 
See how hard it is just to stay on topic, but much easier to bad month people.

The point of the thread is there are people on here that are not serious about improving but prefer the social interaction that occurs when they appear they are trying to improve.

I realized there was no definition given for what I consider is improving.

Improving to me means being the dominating player where you play. To do whatever it takes to make this happen. To be feared.

System users wants a shortcut cause they don't have the time to play. Put another way.....no real commitment.

There is only one way to do the above .......practice and lots of it. It takes hours upon hours of table time to be the one to beat.

I just don't see this attitude among system users. They are more concern about what system to use than what it really takes to improve. More concern what others think of the system they use than using the system effectively.

It must feel nice to assume so much about someone you know so little about. What insights you have based on knowing absolutely knowing nothing.

Yep.......Im just a banger............but I know bullshit when I see it......and call it as such.
 
duckie said:
See how hard it is just to stay on topic, but much easier to bad month people.

The point of the thread is there are people on here that are not serious about improving but prefer the social interaction that occurs when they appear they are trying to improve.

I realized there was no definition given for what I consider is improving.

Improving to me means being the dominating player where you play. To do whatever it takes to make this happen. To be feared.

System users wants a shortcut cause they don't have the time to play. Put another way.....no real commitment.

There is only one way to do the above .......practice and lots of it. It takes hours upon hours of table time to be the one to beat.

I just don't see this attitude among system users. They are more concern about what system to use than what it really takes to improve. More concern what others think of the system they use than using the system effectively.

It must feel nice to assume so much about someone you know so little about. What insights you have based on knowing absolutely knowing nothing.

Yep.......Im just a banger............but I know bullshit when I see it......and call it as such.
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Yup. Keep the faith and you'll be amazing one day.
 
duckie said:
See how hard it is just to stay on topic, but much easier to bad month people.

The point of the thread is there are people on here that are not serious about improving but prefer the social interaction that occurs when they appear they are trying to improve.

I realized there was no definition given for what I consider is improving.

Improving to me means being the dominating player where you play. To do whatever it takes to make this happen. To be feared.

System users wants a shortcut cause they don't have the time to play. Put another way.....no real commitment.

There is only one way to do the above .......practice and lots of it. It takes hours upon hours of table time to be the one to beat.

I just don't see this attitude among system users. They are more concern about what system to use than what it really takes to improve. More concern what others think of the system they use than using the system effectively.

It must feel nice to assume so much about someone you know so little about. What insights you have based on knowing absolutely knowing nothing.

Yep.......Im just a banger............but I know bullshit when I see it......and call it as such.
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So what you are saying is that the Babe Cranfiield arrow system users are all just trying to take some lazy shortcut? I'm glad you finally have seen the light.
 
duckie said:
See how hard it is just to stay on topic, but much easier to bad month people.

The point of the thread is there are people on here that are not serious about improving but prefer the social interaction that occurs when they appear they are trying to improve.

I realized there was no definition given for what I consider is improving.

Improving to me means being the dominating player where you play. To do whatever it takes to make this happen. To be feared.

System users wants a shortcut cause they don't have the time to play. Put another way.....no real commitment.

There is only one way to do the above .......practice and lots of it. It takes hours upon hours of table time to be the one to beat.

I just don't see this attitude among system users. They are more concern about what system to use than what it really takes to improve. More concern what others think of the system they use than using the system effectively.

It must feel nice to assume so much about someone you know so little about. What insights you have based on knowing absolutely knowing nothing.

Yep.......Im just a banger............but I know bullshit when I see it......and call it as such.
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This post proves how clueless you really are in many ways.
 
Some things to thinks about.....

If improving meant that your pool playing friends stopped wanting to play you because you always won, would still continue to improve or stop as not to lose your pool playing friends?

Do you prefer handicap tourneys over playing heads up cause handicap tourneys give you chance to win unlike heads up where it is all skill?
 
Duckie this all comes down to your opinion that system users are always looking for a short cut, and not willing to put in the amount of work required to play at high levels.

The Bell curve can be applied to system users and non-system users. Think about it. There are aways people with attitudes at both ends of the curve. This is more human nature than anything else.

When you paint a picture with such a broad brush, as you like to do, you just cannot comprehend the details.

duckie said:
Some things to thinks about.....

If improving meant that your pool playing friends stopped wanting to play you because you always won, would still continue to improve or stop as not to lose your pool playing friends?

No this means I need to give them a spot or a bigger one to make the game fair, don't you do that?

Do you prefer handicap tourneys over playing heads up cause handicap tourneys give you chance to win unlike heads up where it is all skill?
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I prefer playing and competing, heads up, getting a spot or giving a spot, I have at various times been in all situations. What does it matter except your implication that we (meaning readers here) want to receive a spot because we are not willing to put in the amount of work, that you pretend to state you do?
 
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