there's only 1 nice table within a hundred miles of me. ive got 1 foot out the door when it comes to playing this game at all times these days. i played bca and liked it but there were some pretty strong players in that league
So what do you think the average innings are for an APA player?
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there's only 1 nice table within a hundred miles of me. ive got 1 foot out the door when it comes to playing this game at all times these days. i played bca and liked it but there were some pretty strong players in that league
here is what gets me when apa mentioned.
it has happened too many times on this forum. people start describing apa players as ball bangers, slop makers, drunks, not serious about pool etc. etc.
i am going to describe this scenario and then ask you a question.
here in my area the 1st league i joined was bcapl. after a year i quit pool for a couple of years. i started back last year and bcapl was gone and now its apa. all the people that i played with in bcapl are now in apa.
here is the question.
since we are now apa players did we some how transfer into bangers, slop makers , drunks etc. etc. ?
just thought of another question.
when bcapl was here it was just 2 nights a week at 1 pool hall. now it is 14 divisions playing 7 nights a week in all 3 pool halls here and a bunch of bars. there is a shit load of new players playing now that were not playing then.
how can that be bad for pool halls, bars and billiard supply stores that are getting all their bussiness ?
The people that blow off APA and own pool halls are probably the ones that don't own pool halls now...
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I won in 25 innings last night (sl4) vs a sl3. I dunno how that fits into the formula. 
Interestingly enough, last night was the first time I ever played a match on a bar box. There is a bar about 30 miles out of town that added a couple valleys, and now they have a team in both our 8 and 9 ball leagues. Those are the only barboxes within 150 miles, so it was new to most of us. We just take playing on 9's as the way it is.
It took me a little while to adjust, but I think it was more about the cut of the pockets than the table size, the more I think about it. It will be interesting to see their players when they play on our 9' olhausens, with very tight pockets
I had fun. I like new experiences, the people we played were fun, the drinks were reasonable, decent bar food, the employees were friendly. Having the 30 minute drive isn't gonna be as big a drag as originally thought. (We did get home quite a bit later than usual, but once a session. That's ok.)
Interestingly enough, last night was the first time I ever played a match on a bar box. There is a bar about 30 miles out of town that added a couple valleys, and now they have a team in both our 8 and 9 ball leagues. Those are the only barboxes within 150 miles, so it was new to most of us. We just take playing on 9's as the way it is.
It took me a little while to adjust, but I think it was more about the cut of the pockets than the table size, the more I think about it. It will be interesting to see their players when they play on our 9' olhausens, with very tight pockets
I had fun. I like new experiences, the people we played were fun, the drinks were reasonable, decent bar food, the employees were friendly. Having the 30 minute drive isn't gonna be as big a drag as originally thought. (We did get home quite a bit later than usual, but once a session. That's ok.)
I have to smile a little. I'm a 5 in 8-ball, and a 4 in 9-ball. I, too, want to get to be a 6 before the end of the year.
Then I re-read your previous post, about running tables occasionally, and running a 3-pack once.
It's damned funny how a 4 or 5 in one area can be so much better than a 4 or 5 in a different area. I mean that sincerely, it's really funny. I can barely spell 3-pack, much less worry about actually shooting one. (I have a better chance doing a break-and-run in 8-ball than in 9-ball, which also strikes me as funny. Damned funny game, this pool....)
Didn't read this whole thread but Had to respond to this in particular. I have been playing in the APA since 99' and can assure you that if anyone is running a 3 pack they are at least a 6-7 in 8 ball. i would say that a SL4 might run 1 rack in like 20-25 games. I play all over in the SE PA region. and this seems to be the cse with legitimate rankings. I (on a good night) run maybe 1 rack out of the 5 games i need to win. (SL7) which i feel isn't enough to be rated a 7 but oh well I will take it as a compliment
. 5 may run a rack once in every 10-15 games. and 6's every 5-8 games. this is what I feel is consistant with player that aren't sandbagging.this is of course for 8 ball because I dont play on any 9 ball leagues, because of my work I can only play 1 night a week.
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Lorider,
You didn't become a banger... its the leagues structure that "caters" to being a banger. The league wants you to improve so you have to recruit more people (ie grow). It "punishes" you for improving because your team cannot stay together for very long.. If you just be a "banger" then your team can stay together for long periods of time.
I am a SL7 in 8-ball and a SL9 in 9-ball. It is not easy to stay on teams because I help others improve but as they improve and their SL increases, my chances to play decreate due to the "23 rule". I have been removed from teams that I helped qualify for the post season (city) tournament. Its not fun to be in that boat, so thats why there is a stereotype of the league.
Also the team events are capped at SL10 combined... so its targeted at 4's, 5's, and 6's!
Anyhow APA is great for the industry, but it has damaged tournaments (because of all the handicapping) and gambling because everyone in an APA area knows everyone else's ability level within a small margin. In other leagues, the averages are much less discussed because they are not a key element to building a team.
I hope that all makes sense
One additional thought I had, why does handicapping have to make things 50/50? For players who have put years of effort and spend hours of week practicing don't have an advantage over someone who plays just once a week, there should be some advantage. Handicaps give the "weaker" player a "chance" to win but think about bowling handicaps. I bowled years ago when "scratch" was 200 (ie. no handicap) and your handicap was 85% of the difference between 200 and your average. The better player if they performed average would beat the weaker if they performed their average.
You didn't become a banger... its the leagues structure that "caters" to being a banger. The league wants you to improve so you have to recruit more people (ie grow). It "punishes" you for improving because your team cannot stay together for very long.. If you just be a "banger" then your team can stay together for long periods of time.
I am a SL7 in 8-ball and a SL9 in 9-ball. It is not easy to stay on teams because I help others improve but as they improve and their SL increases, my chances to play decreate due to the "23 rule". I have been removed from teams that I helped qualify for the post season (city) tournament. Its not fun to be in that boat, so thats why there is a stereotype of the league.
Also the team events are capped at SL10 combined... so its targeted at 4's, 5's, and 6's!
Anyhow APA is great for the industry, but it has damaged tournaments (because of all the handicapping) and gambling because everyone in an APA area knows everyone else's ability level within a small margin. In other leagues, the averages are much less discussed because they are not a key element to building a team.
I hope that all makes sense
One additional thought I had, why does handicapping have to make things 50/50? For players who have put years of effort and spend hours of week practicing don't have an advantage over someone who plays just once a week, there should be some advantage. Handicaps give the "weaker" player a "chance" to win but think about bowling handicaps. I bowled years ago when "scratch" was 200 (ie. no handicap) and your handicap was 85% of the difference between 200 and your average. The better player if they performed average would beat the weaker if they performed their average.
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Lorider,
You didn't become a banger... its the leagues structure that "caters" to being a banger. The league wants you to improve so you have to recruit more people (ie grow). It "punishes" you for improving because your team cannot stay together for very long.. If you just be a "banger" then your team can stay together for long periods of time.
I am a SL7 in 8-ball and a SL9 in 9-ball. It is not easy to stay on teams because I help others improve but as they improve and their SL increases, my chances to play decreate due to the "23 rule". I have been removed from teams that I helped qualify for the post season (city) tournament. Its not fun to be in that boat, so thats why there is a stereotype of the league.
Also the team events are capped at SL10 combined... so its targeted at 4's, 5's, and 6's!
Anyhow APA is great for the industry, but it has damaged tournaments (because of all the handicapping) and gambling because everyone in an APA area knows everyone else's ability level within a small margin. In other leagues, the averages are much less discussed because they are not a key element to building a team.
I hope that all makes sense
One additional thought I had, why does handicapping have to make things 50/50? For players who have put years of effort and spend hours of week practicing don't have an advantage over someone who plays just once a week, there should be some advantage. Handicaps give the "weaker" player a "chance" to win but think about bowling handicaps. I bowled years ago when "scratch" was 200 (ie. no handicap) and your handicap was 85% of the difference between 200 and your average. The better player if they performed average would beat the weaker if they performed their average.
your post make sense and i understand your viewpoint.
i currently play 4 nights a week on 3 different leagues, was playing 5 nights but it got to be too much for me
each league has their good points and bad points.
i believe everyones opinion of certain leagues depends on several factors.
1.whether or not they like the league rules
2. how well the league is run
3.type of tables and atmosphere where they play
4.how well you interact with your teamates and your opponents
your experiences under those conditions forms your opinion of those leagues.
i dont mind playing in any league because bottom line is i just like to play pool.
here are my opinions of each league based on my experiences while playing in them.
bcapl. i dont like some of the rules but can live with them. it was very poorly run in my area and consequently is no longer here.
apa. has brought a lot more players into the league and therefore new players; bangers as you call them. is promoted as a fun league and yes i do have fun playing it. i really dont see the big issue of a 23 vs 25 handicap limit unless you are top loaded. 2 point different is just not that big of a deal to me.
napa. i love this league. lot of serious players in it and very competitive.
memphis pool league " money league " . a lot of serious players with serious attitudes. after all you are playing for money lol. a lot of good players, have seen some 3s that would be a 4 or maybe even a 5 in bcapl.although people get pretty intense i have only seen 1 cue thrown lol. overall i have a good time in it but seem to put too much pressure on myself when we get to the playoffs never mind my teamates getting irate when i dog a shot.
i played for 6 years straight. i myself was rated 8-9 in 9 ball. havent played 8 ball for any league. my average innings were 10-15, with a ball count of 75. It wasnt uncommon for me to run 2-3 racks in a row. plenty of the innings would be safeties. i played an array of levels from 4-9. always 14-6 to 20-0 splits. handful of losses in about 100 matches. statistically average between other 9s. I find APA players GENERALLY just cant play good pool. Offensively decent at best. Defensively an absolute joke. A decent safety played against a player and you can cleary see the stress build up in their face. so with that being said who knows what an accurate average would be. i guess it depends on how bad your opponent is at 9 ball lol.
i played in my scotch doubles double jeapordy league tonight. i am just going to post our 9 ball singles portion, last time i reported 8 ball along with it people got confused lol.
our 2 vs their 4. our 2 lost in 12 innings
our 5 vs their 5. our 5 won in 24 innings
our 2 vs their 4. our 2 lost in 12 innings
our 5 vs their 5. our 5 won in 24 innings
Thursday night our team had 2 (19-1) matches
Our 4 lost to their 4 in 7 innings
Our 5 beat their 6 in 17 innings
Our 4 lost to their 4 in 7 innings
Our 5 beat their 6 in 17 innings
damn. that 4 had a good night !
results from tonight
our 4 beat their 5 in 21 innings. score 15-5
our 2 lost to their 2 in 23 innings. score 12-8
our 4 lost to their 3 in 15 innings. score 14-6
our 5 lost to their 6 in 18 innings. score 17-3
our 4 lost to their 1 in 16 innings. i was so befuddled by that i forgot to write down the score to bring home lol.
Good stuff lorider.
I am always figuring the worst I guess and some of the numbers would seem to be sandbagging. Remember a sandbagger will take a loss if the innings are few enough that it could cause him to go up. We have a guy in our league who is locked in as a sl9 but is a sl5 in 8 ball.
I know this to not always be true because I am a sl4 I had a 17% win for summer 2011 and a 38% win in the fall session but won my last match of the fall session against a sl3 in 9 innings 18-2 and 5 matches later against another sl4 in I won in 5 innings (6 times at table) 20-0 my first skunk. I am now a sl5 with my work cut out for me.
I am always figuring the worst I guess and some of the numbers would seem to be sandbagging. Remember a sandbagger will take a loss if the innings are few enough that it could cause him to go up. We have a guy in our league who is locked in as a sl9 but is a sl5 in 8 ball.
I know this to not always be true because I am a sl4 I had a 17% win for summer 2011 and a 38% win in the fall session but won my last match of the fall session against a sl3 in 9 innings 18-2 and 5 matches later against another sl4 in I won in 5 innings (6 times at table) 20-0 my first skunk. I am now a sl5 with my work cut out for me.
we all know that people have their good days and bad days. and man i am telling you my team is crazy in that regard. when 1 person plays bad usually we all do and when 1 person plays good usually we all do. last night was an exception. i am the only one that won. last week every one won their match , the final score was 73 -27. this week i did not write it down but if i remember correctly our score was in the high 40s .
i just looked up my statistics while ago. last session were as follows 8 ball , 58% winning percentage and in 9 ball it was 60%
my lifetime is 57% in 8 ball and 58% in 9 ball. we just started a new session and i am 3-2 in 8 ball and 3-0 in 9 ball.
i am a 5 in 8 ball and a 4 in 9 ball.
i never kept up with innings until this thread started, i just worried about wins or losses and i find it quite interesting with everyone on here comparing each others records. i hope everyone continues to do so.
Well I stated earlier in the thread that would post results, and oops my bad, but neglected to write down the team's results for the last two weeks. For me personally in the last two matches -
I'm a 9ball SL7 - beat another 7 in 31 (gasp!) innings. Played about a dozen safeties, obviously none very good! Neither of us played well. Score of 13-7 or 14-6 if I recall.
Last nite beat a SL5 18-2 in 12 innings with four safeties. I played much better!
I'm a 9ball SL7 - beat another 7 in 31 (gasp!) innings. Played about a dozen safeties, obviously none very good! Neither of us played well. Score of 13-7 or 14-6 if I recall.
Last nite beat a SL5 18-2 in 12 innings with four safeties. I played much better!
8 ball sl4 wins playing sl5 in 12 innings 6 of the innings were complete sandbagging by the sl4. In game 3 he could have won in 2 innings but he tried a 3 rail bank on the 8 ball instead of shooting the easy 18 inch shot up the rail, He scratched sending us to game 4 and he won it in 6 innings.
In 9 ball I started the night with a new cue and it was SL5-SL5 I lost 13-7 in 35 innings
In 9 ball I started the night with a new cue and it was SL5-SL5 I lost 13-7 in 35 innings
I'll assume the equipment was inexplicably tough, cloth was like mud, the pockets were entirely too tight, it was raining, the bartender ... she wasn't dressed appropriately ....
results from tonight.
our 7vs their 7 we won 14-6 in 22 innings
our 6 vs their 5 we won 12-8 in 18 innings
our 4 vs their 5 we won 17-3 in 9 innings thats me :smile:
our 3 vs their 4 we won 19-1 in 11 innings
our 2 vs their 2 we won 12- 8 in 24 innings
i had 1 of my better nights, our 3 really played above himself. i think we both will be raised after tonight. i am undefeated so far this session in 9 ball at 4-0, wish i could say the same about 8 ball. i am 2-4 so far.
like i said in an earlier post , my team is very inconsistent. usually when one person plays good we all do , when one plays bad we all do.
the week before last we won 73-27. i forgot to write down last weeks score but i think we only scored about 46. this week we won 74-26. its crazy how we go up and down week to week.
our 7vs their 7 we won 14-6 in 22 innings
our 6 vs their 5 we won 12-8 in 18 innings
our 4 vs their 5 we won 17-3 in 9 innings thats me :smile:
our 3 vs their 4 we won 19-1 in 11 innings
our 2 vs their 2 we won 12- 8 in 24 innings
i had 1 of my better nights, our 3 really played above himself. i think we both will be raised after tonight. i am undefeated so far this session in 9 ball at 4-0, wish i could say the same about 8 ball. i am 2-4 so far.
like i said in an earlier post , my team is very inconsistent. usually when one person plays good we all do , when one plays bad we all do.
the week before last we won 73-27. i forgot to write down last weeks score but i think we only scored about 46. this week we won 74-26. its crazy how we go up and down week to week.
lorider your team looks good enough to make regionals to me. Congrats on a good night. It feels good when it all comes together. handicap going up is a good thing if you can maintain it and be competitive. If not it can seem to take forever before they bring you back down.
We play tonight I will try to remember to write ours down.
We play tonight I will try to remember to write ours down.