Southern Classic 2013 Trip Report

lfigueroa

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Tunica is always fun.

I drove down for a couple of days and had a great time, playing pool, seeing many old friends, and eating (and drinking) too well. I chatted with Greg Sullivan about the future of pool at casinos, BB, and the pro player situation (and watched him be very cool with Richie Richardson). I ate dinner one night at the ’37 bar, sitting across the way from Danny Diliberto and Al Metzinger (thanks again, Al!)

The pool was tough. I was told there were almost 130 players in the 1pocket, down from 150 something the previous year. I lost to Michael Dolawder of Orlando 2-3 (bobbled my set ball at 2-1) and fellow St. Louisian, Justin Bergman, 0-3. Not to take anything away from my opponents but I always struggle after practicing on an old GC3 and then traveling to play on Diamonds. I must have missed close to a half a dozen baby, “electric chair,” cross table banks, that would repeatedly come up a ball short. I’d be down on the shot and say to myself “Self, shoot it long” and still could not get the ball wide enough. And the speed of the tables is near impossible for me. It’s as though I could not hit the ball soft enough and several times, on touchy safety play, watched helplessly as the cue ball rolled a diamond or more past it’s intended resting spot, which, for all intents and purposes, is the 1pocket equivalent of committing seppuku.

Still, it was a great time playing, sweating some of the money matches in the action room, watching players never seen before like Wang, as well as some of the real road dogs like Cliff, and Ike who came up to me and conveyed greetings from Monsignor Lavin. (Thanks John. You must have really put “the fear” into Ike because he said “you insisted.”) And, it was good to see Vivian Villareal and Melissa Little get into the mix, seeing the pros like SVB and Corey Duel walk by left and right, and warming up on the table next to Efren, who, to this day, still shows an almost child-like enjoyment of the game.

Chatting at the casino Dunkin’ Donuts with Greg Sullivan, it was hard to listen to him talk about some of what has transpired lately in the world of pool and how some of the pros have behaved (to say nothing of the guys operating out of Las Vegas). I’m not comfortable sharing much of it but, if you’re willing to take me at my word, let me just say that some of these guys have acted shamefully.

I will share one quick story from dinner with Danny and Al. They were sitting across from me at the bar and we were all enjoying some pretty fabulous cooking coming out of the kitchen and Danny asked if I was a pool player. And I said, “Yes.” And he asked, “What’s your name?” And I replied “Lou Figueroa” and he said, “Never heard of you.” And so then I started talking about being at the US Open One Pocket tournaments up in Kalamazoo and the Louisville DCC at the Executive West, and listening to Danny on Accu-Stats, and how Al is always sitting front row on the tapes in his trademark white Panama hat, with his wife Marsha always at his side (who passed a few years ago) and suddenly Al said, “”You’re the guy with the three-piece cue!” And we talked about the Sheldon Lebow three-piece I used for many years when traveling (until my wife graciously bought me a “travel” Ginacue for our 25th anniversary.

All of which led to a great discussion on pool.

I had the chance to ask Danny about his infamous $20K match with Ronnie Allen, hear him tell some great Jack Cooney, Jimmy Reid, and Billy Incardona stories, his opinion of aiming systems (you don’t want to know :-), his DVD commentary and who his favorite co-commentator is/was. And so Danny is on a roll telling stories, and I stop him at one point and tell him, “You know, I love your commentary, Danny, except for one thing.” And he said, “What’s that?” And I warned him, “You’re not going to like it.” And he insisted, “Tell me!”

So I told him: “I don’t know how many times I’ve heard you say during a 1pocket match that you’re doing commentary on, and a guy plays a safety and you say, ‘Ah. He didn’t do much there.’ Or similarly, ‘That was just a survival shot.’ And Danny, I’m sitting at home watching this and saying to the screen, ‘There was nothing else he could do.’” And Danny responded, “I feel there’s always something you can do.” And I say, “Sure. From the booth that’s easy to say. But sometimes you just have to accept what the table affords you and I think you could phrase your commentary so it doesn’t sound so negative.” And you know what he said? He said. “OK. I’m going to change that. Thank you for saying that. And when that comes up, I’m going to say it was because of my conversation with Lou Figueroa.”

How cool is that?

And so, I went to the Southern Classic, got beat up -- can’t say I really played badly (or exceptionally) -- but as always there are the shots, and strategies, and techniques, and most importantly, things to learn about yourself that make an experience like this invaluable. Bitter truth be told, there’s really no other way to learn some things about your pool game (and your mental pool game) other than the school of hard knocks. All of it makes you a smarter player, a tougher player, and a better prepared player for the future. It’s a tough dish to swallow and right about now it’s tasting pretty salty, but I guess that’s “the seasoning” we often talk about here.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Great read, Lou.

I am envious of you, the pool trips you get to take and the great times had at them.

Thanks for sharing.
 
...Bitter truth be told, there’s really no other way to learn some things about your pool game (and your mental pool game) other than the school of hard knocks. All of it makes you a smarter player, a tougher player, and a better prepared player for the future. It’s a tough dish to swallow and right about now it’s tasting pretty salty, but I guess that’s “the seasoning” we often talk about here.

Lou Figueroa

Good writeup, Lou. Thanks for taking the time to share your observations. :smile:

So what did you order at Dunkin' Donuts? Inquiring minds wanna know. :grin-square:

Did you stay on site or off site? Just curious. What are the hotel rooms like if you stayed on site?

How do you think Cliff Joyner was hitting 'em overall in one-pocket? Is he missing shots he used to make, or is the competition tougher? I guess what I'm asking is if he's slowing down or are others playing stronger.

Who's the "new kid on the block" as far as young talent, aside from Can Wang, that impressed you?

I'm glad you went and had a good time, but more importantly, it is nice that you supported the event by your attendance. Wish I could have been there. I just started a new job and can't take off for extended periods of time. I will live vicariously through threads/posts written by you and others. Thanks again. :smile:
 
Thanks Lou 4 the wonderful post.

Your comment is especially poignant with regards to switching from the GC to the Diamond!

I will more than likely encounter similar transition when I play in the One Hole in Vegas next month.
I'm hoping that my less aggressive style of banking will give me less headaches than other players who like me have really no access to Diamonds.

Who knows Lou, U and I might even have to match up in the event!

Noel Bierman
 
Thanks Lou 4 the wonderful post.

Your comment is especially poignant with regards to switching from the GC to the Diamond!

I will more than likely encounter similar transition when I play in the One Hole in Vegas next month.
I'm hoping that my less aggressive style of banking will give me less headaches than other players who like me have really no access to Diamonds.

Who knows Lou, U and I might even have to match up in the event!

Noel Bierman

I remember at the 2003 Derby City Classic in Louisville, Earl Strickland was practicing for the banks tournament. He seemed perplexed. I asked him what was wrong, and he said that he was having trouble adjusting his game to the Diamond tables. I asked him what he meant, and he said that both GCs and Diamonds are good equipment, but the Diamonds bank a wee bit short. He said one has to adjust their aim to achieve the same bank on a Diamond as one would on a GC.
 
That was a good read Lou, thanks for sharing!

sounds like you had a great time at the Southern Classic and met some interesting people, that's the way it should be.

I like your observation about Efren,maybe that's the secret to being a champion, don't try to make anything out to be hard just take things as they are and go with it.


David Harcrow
 
You should open up a pool mancave in Earth City with me and we can put a Diamond table in it so you don't continue to fail at these national events.
 
Tunica

Tunica is always fun.

I drove down for a couple of days and had a great time, playing pool, seeing many old friends, and eating (and drinking) too well. I chatted with Greg Sullivan about the future of pool at casinos, BB, and the pro player situation (and watched him be very cool with Richie Richardson). I ate dinner one night at the ’37 bar, sitting across the way from Danny Diliberto and Al Metzinger (thanks again, Al!)

The pool was tough. I was told there were almost 130 players in the 1pocket, down from 150 something the previous year. I lost to Michael Dolawder of Orlando 2-3 (bobbled my set ball at 2-1) and fellow St. Louisian, Justin Bergman, 0-3. Not to take anything away from my opponents but I always struggle after practicing on an old GC3 and then traveling to play on Diamonds. I must have missed close to a half a dozen baby, “electric chair,” cross table banks, that would repeatedly come up a ball short. I’d be down on the shot and say to myself “Self, shoot it long” and still could not get the ball wide enough. And the speed of the tables is near impossible for me. It’s as though I could not hit the ball soft enough and several times, on touchy safety play, watched helplessly as the cue ball rolled a diamond or more past it’s intended resting spot, which, for all intents and purposes, is the 1pocket equivalent of committing seppuku.

Still, it was a great time playing, sweating some of the money matches in the action room, watching players never seen before like Wang, as well as some of the real road dogs like Cliff and Ike (who came up to me and conveyed greetings from Monsignor Lavin. (Thanks John. You must have really put “the fear” into Ike because he said “you insisted.”) And, it was good to see Vivian Villareal and Melissa Little get into the mix, seeing the pros like SVB and Corey Duel walk by left and right, and warming up on the table next to Efren, who, to this day, still shows an almost child-like enjoyment of the game.

Chatting at the casino Dunkin’ Donuts with Greg Sullivan, it was hard to listen to him talk about some of what has transpired lately in the world of pool and how some of the pros have behaved (to say nothing of the guys operating out of Las Vegas). I’m not comfortable sharing much of it but, if you’re willing to take me at my word, let me just say that some of these guys have acted shamefully.

I will share one quick story from dinner with Danny and Al. They were sitting across from me at the bar and we were all enjoying some pretty fabulous cooking coming out of the kitchen and Danny asked if I was a pool player. And I said, “Yes.” And he asked, “What’s your name?” And I replied “Lou Figueroa” and he said, “Never heard of you.” And so then I started talking about being at the US Open One Pocket tournaments up in Kalamazoo and the Louisville DCC at the Executive West, and listening to Danny on Accu-Stats, and how Al is always sitting front row on the tapes in his trademark white Panama hat, with his wife Marsha always at his side (who passed a few years ago) and suddenly Al said, “”You’re the guy with the three-piece cue!” And we talked about the Sheldon Lebow three-piece I used for many years when traveling (until my wife graciously bought me a “travel” Ginacue for our 25th anniversary.

All of which led to a great discussion on pool.

I had the chance to ask Danny about his infamous $20K match with Ronnie Allen, hear him tell some great Jack Cooney, Jimmy Reid, and Billy Incardona stories, his opinion of aiming systems (you don’t want to know :-), his DVD commentary and who his favorite co-commentator is/was. And so Danny is on a roll telling stories, and I stop him at one point and tell him, “You know, I love your commentary, Danny, except for one thing.” And he said, “What’s that?” And I warned him, “You’re not going to like it.” And he insisted, “Tell me!”

So I told him: “I don’t know how many times I’ve heard you say during a 1pocket match that you’re doing commentary on, and a guy plays a safety and you say, ‘Ah. He didn’t do much there.’ Or similarly, ‘That was just a survival shot.’ And Danny, I’m sitting at home watching this and saying to the screen, ‘There was nothing else he could do.’” And Danny responded, “I feel there’s always something you can do.” And I say, “Sure. From the booth that’s easy to say. But sometimes you just have to accept what the table affords you and I think you could phrase your commentary so it doesn’t sound so negative.” And you know what he said? He said. “OK. I’m going to change that. Thank you for saying that. And when that comes up, I’m going to say it was because of my conversation with Lou Figueroa.”

How cool is that?

And so, I went to the Southern Classic, got beat up -- can’t say I really played badly (or exceptionally) -- but as always there are the shots, and strategies, and techniques, and most importantly, things to learn about yourself that make an experience like this invaluable. Bitter truth be told, there’s really no other way to learn some things about your pool game (and your mental pool game) other than the school of hard knocks. All of it makes you a smarter player, a tougher player, and a better prepared player for the future. It’s a tough dish to swallow and right about now it’s tasting pretty salty, but I guess that’s “the seasoning” we often talk about here.

Lou Figueroa

Thanks for sharing. I went last year and had a great time. Had lunch with Buddy Hall and Herman the German, pretty cool. Didn't play in the big events but got to see my friend Spanky (Greg Hogue) play JA. Doctor apps kept me away this year but will go next year. Fun to watch Chip and Joey play people their speed and better. I guess James Walden didn't play? Know he was looking for sponsorship. I like tourneys in casinos because I can maybe throw some dice. Very well run event. Even got to watch Earl practice and of course talk to anyone who would listen. I had to change seats a few times because of the glare coming off Jay Helferts head!! Just kidding Jay. Can't get under Jays skin, he always takes the high road. With so much negativity on AZ lately we should learn from Jay how to be civil while posting.
 
Lou....Very nice "trip report". One of these years, I will have to "sneak" down there (either DCC or Southern Classic) to "play" and or at least "goof off" (I'm probably better at the "goofing" part). I just have to figure out which "MORON", I want to leave "IN CHARGE" of the poolroom. It might be that I have too many (MORONS that is) to pick from. Why...there are days I think I'm having a "MORONATHON" @ Red Shoes. Regards, Monsignor Lavin (PS...I assume they have Confederate versions of the Mermaid Club in those locations??)
 
Careful what you suggest. You might find find a few takers! Rooms in the St.L are dropping like flies.

kollegedave

You should open up a pool mancave in Earth City with me and we can put a Diamond table in it so you don't continue to fail at these national events.
 
Great review Lou

I had to miss this event this time but made the last one, but really enjoyed your review. Glad you told Danny he is overly critical of the players decisions because it really is easier from the booth. I know you are a very good player and you choose to remain humble, God Bless, and once again thank you for a great review.
 
same here

..just like to join those who expressed appreciation for sharing your experience.....it is always good reading for me when I can't make it to these events.....as JAM says, some of us live vicariously through others who relate the good times they have at these events.....Thanks!
 
Careful what you suggest. You might find find a few takers! Rooms in the St.L are dropping like flies.

kollegedave

I'm ready as soon as Lou is. He wants to drive 20 minutes East to play each day. All he needs to do is drive 20 minutes West.
 
Good writeup, Lou. Thanks for taking the time to share your observations. :smile:

So what did you order at Dunkin' Donuts? Inquiring minds wanna know. :grin-square:

Did you stay on site or off site? Just curious. What are the hotel rooms like if you stayed on site?

How do you think Cliff Joyner was hitting 'em overall in one-pocket? Is he missing shots he used to make, or is the competition tougher? I guess what I'm asking is if he's slowing down or are others playing stronger.

Who's the "new kid on the block" as far as young talent, aside from Can Wang, that impressed you?

I'm glad you went and had a good time, but more importantly, it is nice that you supported the event by your attendance. Wish I could have been there. I just started a new job and can't take off for extended periods of time. I will live vicariously through threads/posts written by you and others. Thanks again. :smile:


Thanks, JAM, and you're welcome.

hmmm, well I ran into Greg and he wanted to talk, but was jonesing for a donut so he had one while I just sipped some coffee.

I stayed off-site at the Gold Strike, about 10 minutes away. Very nice room, but, as with many casino properties, the construction is poor so you can hear every little thing in the rooms around you, above you, or out in the hallway.

Cliff is hitting them pretty crispy nowadays. Is he the Cliff of old? Close, but not quite, IMO. Funny thing: after tournament hours you will always see the same group of guys practicing. Usually it is 2nd tier guys and guys like me (I don't know what tier that would be, but it's probably like garage level). But Cliff is almost always there hitting balls. He's usually the only pro doing so.

Other than Wang the guy that impressed me, whom I had not seem before, was Skylar Woodward. Very impressive player.

Lou Figueroa
 
Thanks Lou 4 the wonderful post.

Your comment is especially poignant with regards to switching from the GC to the Diamond!

I will more than likely encounter similar transition when I play in the One Hole in Vegas next month.
I'm hoping that my less aggressive style of banking will give me less headaches than other players who like me have really no access to Diamonds.

Who knows Lou, U and I might even have to match up in the event!

Noel Bierman


Well, Noel, all I can tell you is to practice hitting the balls softly :-) See you in Vegas.

Lou Figueroa
 
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I remember at the 2003 Derby City Classic in Louisville, Earl Strickland was practicing for the banks tournament. He seemed perplexed. I asked him what was wrong, and he said that he was having trouble adjusting his game to the Diamond tables. I asked him what he meant, and he said that both GCs and Diamonds are good equipment, but the Diamonds bank a wee bit short. He said one has to adjust their aim to achieve the same bank on a Diamond as one would on a GC.


I'm not sure what's up with the tables. In the last handful of tournaments I've played on Diamonds, I don't recall the banking issue that I did in this one. I remember long ago at the EW it was a problem for me, but not like this. Maybe it was an old batch of tables, or something else like the humidity, but the balls were coming straight back off the rails with little angle. I also had trouble putting any spin on the OBs to help. Without regular time on them though, its hard for an amateur to adjust.

Lou Figueroa
 
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