Southwest cues

mjantti said:
I had a chance to hit one of Jerry Franklin era SW's, the hit felt better than my Scruggs', so far probably the only one to hit better than my own cue :) On the other hand, of the newer SW's I've tried was way too stiff and rigid and I didn't like it that much.
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Never hit with a southwest but I can say Scruggs hit like the hand of god.
 
pt109 said:
You let me pick your player's arrow and you might not like it.

Ya know I love ya, RJ....but I'll go to the mat about good equipment....
....maybe I'll have to start a thread from my point of view.
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You let me pick your Indian and we are on ;)

Who does NOT like good equipment?. My OB shaft is sweet. My completely refinished Willie Hoppe Pro Model is nice, I think.

I use pretty good chalk ;) Heck, I only use a Pro Adjusta bridge, cause they are the very good imho.

Can you honestly say I'm not using good equipment ? Or some guy with a brand new Schmelke or Schon or Jacoby, is that not "good" equipment too ?
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
You let me pick your Indian and we are on ;)

Who does NOT like good equipment?. My OB shaft is sweet. My completely refinished Willie Hoppe Pro Model is nice, I think.

I use pretty good chalk ;) Heck, I only use a Pro Adjusta bridge, cause they are the very good imho.

Can you honestly say I'm not using good equipment ? Or some guy with a brand new Schmelke or Schon or Jacoby, is that not "good" equipment too ?
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I'm talking about having a GOOD cue...it can be inexpensive and not fancy...but the
chances of getting a good one are greatly increased by paying more.
I had a snooker cue that wasn't expensive....Dufferin parts modified by a good cue maker..
...I turned down a 2,000% profit....I could do things with that cue that were impossible
for me with any other snooker cue I've owned.....my personal Indian was stroking pretty
good at that time of my life.....but I NEEDED that arrow.
 
pt109 said:
I'm talking about having a GOOD cue...it can be inexpensive and not fancy...but the
chances of getting a good one are greatly increased by paying more.
I had a snooker cue that wasn't expensive....Dufferin parts modified by a good cue maker..
...I turned down a 2,000% profit....I could do things with that cue that were impossible
for me with any other snooker cue I've owned.....my personal Indian was stroking pretty
good at that time of my life.....but I NEEDED that arrow.
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You have to have confidence in the equipment. Some guys that grew up with steel jointed cues hate SW cause they miss that clicky hit.
 
measureman said:
I never understood the reason to wait 10 years for a cue that is rather plain in design.
Or why people would pay top dollar for them.
Or why people would pay a premium for someone else's spot for buying one.
Until last Saturday.
A person I know well enough at the pool room has one and I asked if I could hit some balls with it. I got to hit about 10 balls with it. All went in the pocket.
Very impressed with the hit and balance.
I would do none of the above but I understand it now.
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They do hit nice.
But I would wait to see if I could make 11 or more before spending a few 1,000 on one :D
 
pt109 said:
I'm talking about having a GOOD cue...it can be inexpensive and not fancy...but the
chances of getting a good one are greatly increased by paying more.
I had a snooker cue that wasn't expensive....Dufferin parts modified by a good cue maker..
...I turned down a 2,000% profit....I could do things with that cue that were impossible
for me with any other snooker cue I've owned.....my personal Indian was stroking pretty
good at that time of my life.....but I NEEDED that arrow.
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I've heard that your "inner Indian" was a clear eyed brave who could throw the hatchet real far and cut balls 92 degrees into centre pockets, regularly. :thumbup: :wink:

no fooling.

best,
brian kc aka Chief Fuzzy Eye :D
 
measureman said:
I never understood the reason to wait 10 years for a cue that is rather plain in design.
Or why people would pay top dollar for them.
Or why people would pay a premium for someone else's spot for buying one.
Until last Saturday.
A person I know well enough at the pool room has one and I asked if I could hit some balls with it. I got to hit about 10 balls with it. All went in the pocket.
Very impressed with the hit and balance.
I would do none of the above but I understand it now.
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Great post! I get tired of people who never tried certain cues lecturing about them being wastes of money. Value should be judged on your experience. Glad to see there are still a few open minds on AZ.
 
pt109 said:
I'm talking about having a GOOD cue...it can be inexpensive and not fancy...but the
chances of getting a good one are greatly increased by paying more.
I had a snooker cue that wasn't expensive....Dufferin parts modified by a good cue maker..
...I turned down a 2,000% profit....I could do things with that cue that were impossible
for me with any other snooker cue I've owned.....my personal Indian was stroking pretty
good at that time of my life.....but I NEEDED that arrow.
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Well, I partly agree. You need good equipment, but that is not tied to "price". My Willie Hoppe probably cost all of $12 back in the 1940's. My OB shaft was only $200. And I'm pretty sure my cue can make any ball than any other cue can make, regardless of price ;)

SVB shoots with a $300 cue, but then again, he's a pretty good Injun ;)
 
South West cues are like Rolex watches...often imitated and but never replicated. They're pricey and some can afford to have them, some cannot.

One of the most stable priced cues ever produced.

There's a reason why people use the term. "Hits like a South West"
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Well, I partly agree. You need good equipment, but that is not tied to "price". My Willie Hoppe probably cost all of $12 back in the 1940's. My OB shaft was only $200. And I'm pretty sure my cue can make any ball than any other cue can make, regardless of price ;)

SVB shoots with a $300 cue, but then again, he's a pretty good Injun ;)
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No its $176.00 on Seyberts and it hits a ton.
 
overlord said:
No its $176.00 on Seyberts and it hits a ton.
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WOW, even cheaper than I thought. Does anyone think their cue can make a shot that he can't make with his under $200 cue? I don't, unless it's just Earl doing one of his monster draw shots or something ;)
 
I wanted to understand the allure, so I bought a pacifier SW as an inexpensive way to test the waters. The Earth didn't move for me when I hit a few balls with it, and I realized that personal preference and familiarity were higher on my cue priority list.
Within 36 hours of receipt, the SW cue was sold for a modest profit. Even though it wasn't for me, I can't deny that SW cues have made me more money per ball hit than any other cue.
 
mrinsatiable said:
South West cues are like Rolex watches...often imitated and but never replicated. They're pricey and some can afford to have them, some cannot.

One of the most stable priced cues ever produced.

There's a reason why people use the term. "Hits like a South West"
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Very well put,i got my first one in 1986 and have been playing with them ever since,they may not be for everybody but their for me.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Does Nitti have the same curved taper ?
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I spent some time looking at Nitti cues at the expo this year. I was surprised about the thickness of the butts and they said they use the same taper as Kersenbrock.


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All this made me wonder on the status of my latest SW. Build began in March and it will be ready sometime around Christmas. Can't wait to put it in the safe with the others. :)
 
measureman said:
You had better hope that they never go the E-bay Dale Perry route.:mad:
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What if they already have, and all of the tributes are actually unbranded, non serialized cues? Wait list duration is caused by production time spent on the list vs. copies?

That would be a fun conspiracy theory to plant. It's absurd, but I'll bet some people would buy it.
 
mrinsatiable said:
South West cues are like Rolex watches...often imitated and but never replicated. They're pricey and some can afford to have them, some cannot.

One of the most stable priced cues ever produced.

There's a reason why people use the term. "Hits like a South West"
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That's a really good analogy. They are very similar products with regards to where they sit in their respective markets. Nobody would say they're the very best, they're not terribly exciting from a tech/design standpoint, but they do what they do incredibly well and consistently. They are expensive for what they are but for many people they are absolutely worth it. They are a benchmark on their respective industries.
 
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