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I have to agree.
Southwest wood combo
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I have to agree.
Originally Posted by Ken_4fun View Post
I wouldn't worry too much, there are PLENTY of cues out there. Southwest cues are far from rare, and are pretty close to a production cue.
I wish you the best of rolls.
Ken
Well, I am going by being at their shop and getting a tour by Jerry Franklin. I would say if the cues are still made the same they are exactly the opposite of a production cue.
I picked up one cue after another that were in various stages of completion and each one had tags and order information attached with very specific details and information. Details like the weights of the screws being used to assemble the cues based on the woods being used. Shaft sizes and weights as they related to the balance.
Unlike production cues that are just made and finished, then they stick in a weight bolt however heavy they need. The final cue is just what ever it turns out to be by shear chance.
SW from what I saw, control every aspect of the building of each cue for a predictable finished cue. Each is not necessarily unique but does reflect what they want the cue to be. They are not cues built by chance.
I wouldn't worry too much, there are PLENTY of cues out there. Southwest cues are far from rare, and are pretty close to a production cue.
I wish you the best of rolls.
Ken
Well, I am going by being at their shop and getting a tour by Jerry Franklin. I would say if the cues are still made the same they are exactly the opposite of a production cue.
I picked up one cue after another that were in various stages of completion and each one had tags and order information attached with very specific details and information. Details like the weights of the screws being used to assemble the cues based on the woods being used. Shaft sizes and weights as they related to the balance.
Unlike production cues that are just made and finished, then they stick in a weight bolt however heavy they need. The final cue is just what ever it turns out to be by shear chance.
SW from what I saw, control every aspect of the building of each cue for a predictable finished cue. Each is not necessarily unique but does reflect what they want the cue to be. They are not cues built by chance.
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huh ??????
Not sure if you heard yet......but I'll break it to you gently. Your about 18years behind on getting a tour by jerry. read the article below the 9th paragraph might enlighten you.
http://www.indyq.com/custom-cues/southwest/southwest-biography.html
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I have played with an Gaboon ebony with tulipwood points,three veners and A & B rings since 2008. Before that I played with a Pauferro merry widow. I have a bunch of cues and I always come back to SW.
I ordered my 2008 SW in 1999. I talked to Laurie recently and she said the ebony that they were using became unstable and was cracking so until they find the right source and it is properly cured they won't use ebony. There is only one country now that you can get legal Gaboon ebony and that is Cameron. It takes ten trees cut down to yield one tree with the pure black heart wood and that is the problem.
I ordered my 2008 SW in 1999. I talked to Laurie recently and she said the ebony that they were using became unstable and was cracking so until they find the right source and it is properly cured they won't use ebony. There is only one country now that you can get legal Gaboon ebony and that is Cameron. It takes ten trees cut down to yield one tree with the pure black heart wood and that is the problem.
Lol......don't forget to decimate a large portion of Forrest and native vegetation to get to those ebony trees
Can't let those fu-ckers get in the way of your perfect cue. Lol.
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He'll no. You missed the "following time tested seasoning procedures"! SW will continue to have all the business they can handle without making another Gabon ebony cue if it comes to that. I respect Laurie for keeping shenanigans to a minimum.
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Exactly what I said. Unless they have changed since Jerry died they are far from production cues.
I am assuming your "Huh" response was because he is dead? If you had actually quoted me instead of rewriting what I said and included "if the cues are still made the same"
You would have understood my response.
Unless you were referring to something else I said that you found puzzling.
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And I said if you bothered to read my post. "If they are still made the same"
Yes I know Jerry is dead, I knew him for about 20 years and talked cues with him often.
Overlords post is accurate. Do not plan on them using your wood. Why? What happens after much work, but not completion, it cracks? You gonna pay for time wasted? What if it cracks a year or two later? See the problem if they do not cure it or know the source?
If you want a SW, get ahold of ga9ball,( Greg), he generally has a great selection. Gaboon Ebony was most popular driven by the Asian market, not because of playability. I had 18 SW at one time and preferred Gondolo Alzez, or other woods. I am now down to only one and kept that simply because of easy liquidity.....19.0 oz ebony 9 pointer.
Sell you spot as suggested and contact GA9ball. You will be happy.
good luck,
If you want a SW, get ahold of ga9ball,( Greg), he generally has a great selection. Gaboon Ebony was most popular driven by the Asian market, not because of playability. I had 18 SW at one time and preferred Gondolo Alzez, or other woods. I am now down to only one and kept that simply because of easy liquidity.....19.0 oz ebony 9 pointer.
Sell you spot as suggested and contact GA9ball. You will be happy.
good luck,
Considering that they haven't changed their design in years, if ever, I'm sure you can find a used one in good condition that will match the exact combination you're looking for.
Frankly, I find gaboon ebony to be pretty boring. No real discernible grain to admire.
Frankly, I find gaboon ebony to be pretty boring. No real discernible grain to admire.
In a way, I agree with Ken's description of SWs being production cues. They may be exceptionally high quality, but leave little room for choosing a unique design. The permutation of their wood & veneer choice combos would be their total available catalog of cues to offer. Production cues give them model names; SW lists the wood codes on the invoice.
Some people get overly sensitive about cues being called production cues.
Some people get overly sensitive about cues being called production cues.
I will buy your spot Maxey.
That way you don't have to have one made that you don't want and will just make to sell.
Save time, get paid sooner.
win for you, win for me.
problem solved.
let me know.
best,
brian kc
That way you don't have to have one made that you don't want and will just make to sell.
Save time, get paid sooner.
win for you, win for me.
problem solved.
let me know.
best,
brian kc
That sounds just wrong to me.
I could sell my spot sure but technically that is against the rules.
At this point I am just trying to come up with the best wood combo I can find to sell the cues ASAP.
I know alves and other wood combos play great because I have owned them but they are not as attractive as the ebony cues.
At this point I am just trying to come up with the best wood combo I can find to sell the cues ASAP.
I know alves and other wood combos play great because I have owned them but they are not as attractive as the ebony cues.
I don't argue either of those points but will add that one thing beyond the fact that they do play great (and they do) they have one other characteristic unique to only a few cues. It is a rare thing to see cues above $2000 be so liquid and easily sellable. Sws sell fast then many other big high demand names.
Greg ga9ball had one a short while back that had wood combos that were so rich and beautiful that I commented in his thread it was the nicest sw I have ever seen.
The nicest looking one I've had I just got back and man I think it looks badazz and it plays superb. pings like glass, perfect feedback for me.
purpleheart points, pau ferro nose and butt.
gl with your decision.
best,
brian kc
The nicest looking one I've had I just got back and man I think it looks badazz and it plays superb. pings like glass, perfect feedback for me.
purpleheart points, pau ferro nose and butt.
gl with your decision.
best,
brian kc
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In this day and age with all these exotic woods incorporated in cues, I find it weird that people still want ebony. I don't get the lure in ebony. It is just black. Maybe because it is exotic for a wood to be deep dark black. It is used often.
I think with a special cue that is being built, one should think outside the box and go with a more exotic wood. It's fine to have ebony incorporated in the cue if it consists of anything black in the design but don't design a cue based on ebony.
I think with a special cue that is being built, one should think outside the box and go with a more exotic wood. It's fine to have ebony incorporated in the cue if it consists of anything black in the design but don't design a cue based on ebony.