Specialty cue sticks.

Pukka

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Hi;
Been doing a little research. Found out Rage Heavy Hitter Jump/Break sticks weigh 25 ounces. Does anyone here ever use one? Do you like them? Are they worth $80 in new condition?
Only have two cue sticks presently. Both 18 ounces. Great tools, but a little light for devastating explosive breaks.
Also considering the Elite Heavy Hitter Break Cue. A whopping 27 ounces. They sell for $93-$108 new.
Hustler Pukka
 
Hi;

Been doing a little research. Found out Rage Heavy Hitter Jump/Break sticks weigh 25 ounces. Does anyone here ever use one? Do you like them? Are they worth $80 in new condition?

Only have two cue sticks presently. Both 18 ounces. Great tools, but a little light for devastating explosive breaks.

Also considering the Elite Heavy Hitter Break Cue. A whopping 27 ounces. They sell for $93-$108 new.

Hustler Pukka



I destroy a rack with a 17oz cue.

I can swing a 19 without much body and crush a rack.

Svb breaks pretty hard....normal weight cue.

The break isn't about some specialty piece of equipment

-greyghost


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Speed and aim are more important than weight. The best cue is the one you are most comfortable swinging fast and accurately.
 
I think most will break better with a lighter cue.

Preferences will vary.


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I have the rage heavy hitter. I thought it would be better to have a heavier break cue. I used it for about a year and it was ok but I didn't see an improvement over breaking with my player. It's a nice cue for the price and does what it's supposed to but I found that it's harder to get any speed since the cue is very heavy. I plan on buying a lighter break cue in thr future.
 
I believe it is widely held given scientific study, and info on some manufacturer's websites that a lighter cue ie 20 oz or lower have proven better for breaking as they allow for a faster break motion, and increased cue speed.

I don't want to upset anyone, but anything over 20, must be a gimmick and if you are a league player, ake sure you check your guidebook or operator as their are break cue weight maxes.
 
Thank you all for your valuable insight. Am a newbie on this website.
Years have slipped by since I studied physics back in the 60's. E=mc2 is what they taught back then. My interpretation: Energy=Mass x Velocity x Velocity. This equation seem familiar? Wrote a published trilogy of books. The very first chapter entitled Accuracy Reigns Supreme, chapter #2: Velocity Counts and chapter #3: Penetration Counts.
Whenever hustling pool, I break the rack of balls as hard as possible. Impact velocity remains my maximum attainable speed and therefore relatively constant. It seemed logical, the answer to increased impact energy would might be an increase in cue stick mass.
Hope you check out my introduction and other posts that appear on Sticky forum #1.
Hustler Pukka
 
Thank you all for your valuable insight. Am a newbie on this website.
Years have slipped by since I studied physics back in the 60's. E=mc2 is what they taught back then. My interpretation: Energy=Mass x Velocity x Velocity. This equation seem familiar? Wrote a published trilogy of books. The very first chapter entitled Accuracy Reigns Supreme, chapter #2: Velocity Counts and chapter #3: Penetration Counts.
Whenever hustling pool, I break the rack of balls as hard as possible. Impact velocity remains my maximum attainable speed and therefore relatively constant. It seemed logical, the answer to increased impact energy would might be an increase in cue stick mass.
Hope you check out my introduction and other posts that appear on Sticky forum #1.
Hustler Pukka
I use a McDermott stinger with the weight bolt removed. Resulted in a 16.7oz breaker with a Samsara j/b leather tip. I have same control as using my player, but yet explosive, consistent between 28.5-29.5mph
 
Thank you all for your valuable insight. Am a newbie on this website.
Years have slipped by since I studied physics back in the 60's. E=mc2 is what they taught back then. My interpretation: Energy=Mass x Velocity x Velocity. This equation seem familiar? Wrote a published trilogy of books. The very first chapter entitled Accuracy Reigns Supreme, chapter #2: Velocity Counts and chapter #3: Penetration Counts.
Whenever hustling pool, I break the rack of balls as hard as possible. Impact velocity remains my maximum attainable speed and therefore relatively constant. It seemed logical, the answer to increased impact energy would might be an increase in cue stick mass.
Hope you check out my introduction and other posts that appear on Sticky forum #1.
Hustler Pukka

As mass goes up velocity goes down so they cancel each other out. Just pick the cue that is as heavy as you are comfortable swinging hard and with control. I doubt you can control a cue over 21 oz.

For reference my playing cue is 19oz and my breaking cue is ~18oz.
 
I would say drop the cash into a Brak Rack. The best tool I ever used to help my break...
 
I use a McDermott stinger with the weight bolt removed. Resulted in a 16.7oz breaker with a Samsara j/b leather tip. I have same control as using my player, but yet explosive, consistent between 28.5-29.5mph

That makes sense to me. A heavier cue brings more mass, but you don't have as much of control with a heavier cue.
 
Thank you all for your valuable insight. Am a newbie on this website.
Years have slipped by since I studied physics back in the 60's. E=mc2 is what they taught back then. My interpretation: Energy=Mass x Velocity x Velocity. This equation seem familiar? Wrote a published trilogy of books. The very first chapter entitled Accuracy Reigns Supreme, chapter #2: Velocity Counts and chapter #3: Penetration Counts.
Whenever hustling pool, I break the rack of balls as hard as possible. Impact velocity remains my maximum attainable speed and therefore relatively constant. It seemed logical, the answer to increased impact energy would might be an increase in cue stick mass.
Hope you check out my introduction and other posts that appear on Sticky forum #1.
Hustler Pukka

The Missing Element from your equation is that YOU have to be the one providing velocity to the mass (not some machine that can provide equal velocity to any mass of cue). Every ounce of cue-weight results in inertial mass that YOU have to overcome...the more inertial mass you're moving, the less velocity you can obtain.

A powerful enough machine can overcome the added mass of a heavy cue. But we're humans and generating that much power causes extreme loss of accuracy.
 
An increased swing speed increases your break speed if the cue stick weight stays the same. Increasing the mass (weight) of the cue also increases the speed of the break if the swing speeds stayed the same. I think most everyone realizes these facts. Both mass (weight) and swing speed contribute to the break speed. More mass and more swing speed are both good things.

Also a fact that just about everybody realizes is that as the stick weight increases your maximum swing speed decreases, and vice versa. If you increase mass (cue weight) you will decrease your swing speed. If you decrease mass you will increase your swing speed.

But since both speed and mass are good, but increasing one decreases the other, is there a perfect sweet spot in there that is the perfect trade off between swing speed and cue mass that will give the highest break speed for someone? Yes, but this optimal weight is different for everyone. You have to experiment to find what it is for you.

What I have found is that people that swing the cue much slower than average typically do better with a heavier break cue (closer to 20-21 ounces sometimes). Yes the heavier cue slows down their swing even more, but on net they tend to pick up more break speed from the increased cue weight than they lose from the decreased cue speed. And people that can swing their arm much faster than the average person are the opposite. They tend to pick up more from the additional speed that they can swing the even lighter cue (closer to 16.5-17 ounces sometimes) than they lose from the cue having less mass.

If you can't swing a cue very fast, you will probably have a faster break with a break cue that is heavier than average. If you can swing a cue much faster than most, then on net you will probably have a faster break with a break cue that is lighter than average. And if you are like probably 75% of people who are somewhat more typical of how fast the human can swing their cueing arm, then the cue you will have the fastest break with is also kind of in the middle somewhere not too far from the 18-18.5 ounce range.

As far as control goes, that also varies for people but in general you start to lose control with really light or really heavy cues either one. There are probably few if any people who will have their best break with a cue that is below about 17.5 ounces or above about 22 ounces, and many people won't have good control anywhere even near these weights.
 
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