Most 1pocket players learn pretty quickly that spin does indeed transfer and makes a whole slew of bank shots available, including those where the OB reverses direction off a rail. That would not be throw.
Lou Figueroa
Spin Doesn't Transfer from CB to OB
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Most 1pocket players learn pretty quickly that spin does indeed transfer and makes a whole slew of bank shots available, including those where the OB reverses direction off a rail. That would not be throw.
Lou Figueroa
no doubt
Banking proves it easily. There is another proof too. I first learned about helping english over forty years ago on a wickedly tight snooker table set up for golf. Many shots wouldn't go without helping english and a lot more wouldn't go if you put the wrong english on the cue ball to play shape. The table was very tight and had deep shelves. Tight pockets with shallow shelves still play fairly easily on a pool table. Add rounded corners and deep shelves and the table becomes a monster to play on. Proper speed and english were musts.
A side note, that table taught a lot about playing angles and english. When I was going to the world's pool hall regularly(Buffalo's Metairie LA) I was talking to a friend from the Philippines one day. I started talking about that old snooker table and he got excited. He said that was exactly the table he learned to play on. Makes me wonder how many of the monster players from the Philippines also spent time on a table like that.
Hu
Banking proves it easily. There is another proof too. I first learned about helping english over forty years ago on a wickedly tight snooker table set up for golf. Many shots wouldn't go without helping english and a lot more wouldn't go if you put the wrong english on the cue ball to play shape. The table was very tight and had deep shelves. Tight pockets with shallow shelves still play fairly easily on a pool table. Add rounded corners and deep shelves and the table becomes a monster to play on. Proper speed and english were musts.
A side note, that table taught a lot about playing angles and english. When I was going to the world's pool hall regularly(Buffalo's Metairie LA) I was talking to a friend from the Philippines one day. I started talking about that old snooker table and he got excited. He said that was exactly the table he learned to play on. Makes me wonder how many of the monster players from the Philippines also spent time on a table like that.
Hu
There is a diference between transfering english from a CB to an OB and creating english on an OB by hitting the OB at an off-angle with the CB. These videos show both. They are very different.
How about the title of this thread you started? It was a statement, not a question.
Haven't watched the video. But if there's throw, there must also be spin transfer. These two are inseparable twin effects of the same force.
Now we're cooking...
Far more spin on the object ball can be created with an angle as opposed to the transfer of spin by the cue ball to the object ball.
Freddy's bank shot is creating spin on the OB because of the angle.
In the original video example, provided by the original poster, you can see with the straight in shot there is very little spin transferred to the OB ... however there is clearly some transfer, but very little.
Nice thread ... interesting topic.
I wouldn't say they are "very" different. Both involve friction. Both involve CB surface speeds relative to the OB surface at the contact point. I'd argue the two phenomena are much closer than they are different. But it's true they are not exactly identical.
And yes, both involve spin transferred to the OB.
Spin does not transfer to OB unless it is a bit dirty on straight or angle shot, put a spit on OB and CB the OB will never spin or throw..The evidence when you play on new balls or newly clean balls banks do not always behave same as we knew it (throw and spin)
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im sorry.
I can hit a ball dead straight make the Cb stop dead and impart spin on the ob...
Jaden
I can hit a ball dead straight make the Cb stop dead and impart spin on the ob...
Jaden
Hmmmm? Explain.
I think you're violating a physical law or two somewhere in that statement.
I mean the cb won't move..
The cb won't move forward or back or sideways it will spin in place though for like a minute...
Jaden
The cb won't move forward or back or sideways it will spin in place though for like a minute...
Jaden
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Bottom line IMHO is Spin, English don't do zip until the CB make contact with a RAIL, than you see the effects of Spin, or English. Masse is a different story IMHO.
Do not know what the term would be in todays world, but the old school term was
"The gear effect". Absolutely spin will transfer. And it is controllable.
"The gear effect". Absolutely spin will transfer. And it is controllable.
not Jaden
Not Jaden but I have done just that many times. When I did it the object ball is hit just a gnat's ass off straight and the angle and spin on the cue ball cancel out. The object ball goes where intended and the cue ball stays in place.
One night when I was a kid I did that for an hour or two, firing every near straight shot as hard as I could just to see how long the cue ball would spin. When on a roll you can hit shots with significant angle and the cue ball stun completely or only move a few inches. Best I remember it was a touch of inside and a twenty-five mile an hour strike. :wink:
I did manage to annoy most of the people trying to play pool or even listen to the juke box. :grin:
Hu
Not Jaden but I have done just that many times. When I did it the object ball is hit just a gnat's ass off straight and the angle and spin on the cue ball cancel out. The object ball goes where intended and the cue ball stays in place.
One night when I was a kid I did that for an hour or two, firing every near straight shot as hard as I could just to see how long the cue ball would spin. When on a roll you can hit shots with significant angle and the cue ball stun completely or only move a few inches. Best I remember it was a touch of inside and a twenty-five mile an hour strike. :wink:
I did manage to annoy most of the people trying to play pool or even listen to the juke box. :grin:
Hu
Yeah,no kidding. Or buy a "how to bank" dvd. Then watch it and pay attention:wink: John B.
PS: If you think spin cannot be transferred to the ob.....then I have a saying for ya..."to smart to learn"