Spots on Arimath Tournament Balls

You don't know a damn thing about pool that someone here doesn't, unless it is solely related to you.

And you accuse others of what you are.

rtrdriver said:
The reason I know so much more is I've been around pool rooms all my life.

Now when you get to be my age, you can see the ignorance much more clearly in others because the evidence is coming right out of their mouth.

So , sonny, come back here in about 20 years and you might have something intelligent to say.
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rtrdriver said:
I'd just like to add one more thing to this thread and then I'll let somebody else figure out this problem that I don't have with my balls or table or cloth or ball to ball contact or pockets .

My other theory would be worn out cloth. Or very dirty chalk inbeded cloth.

When you make contact with an object ball, that ball will skid mometarily before it starts to roll. You can see little burn marks on brand new cloth (little white circles) where this is happening.

Now this is only theory backed by that knowledge, but if the cloth is old and worn enough AND dirty, couldn't that little skid after intial contact cause the same effect on the object ball?

Oh and one more little tidbit; IMO most players prefer to play on Brunswick because their pockets are more forgiving than Diamond pockets.

If you practice a Diamond table, it will make you a better player.
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My Gold Crown started doing this when I put brand new Simonis 860 on it. At the same time the cloth was replaced I bought a brand new set of Centennials to go with my new Simonis and rails. 1 year later I got a new set of Aramith Tournament Pros, these do not mark up nearly as bad or as quick. 1 year after that I added a new set of Cyclop skittle colored balls, these dont really show any marks, I am guessing because of the light colors. All of my balls go thru my Diamond polisher frequently.

If that is true about a Diamond making you better player then my Gold Crown will make you an even better player than a Diamond. My GCI is a tight 4 3/8" pocket.
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There is knowledge on this subject that is 100 years old....
...I’ve posted on it a couple times over the years.
Does every generation have to relearn it?


pt...still doesn’t know how the pyramids were built
 
hang-the-9 said:
A skid/burn mark would not make an almost perfect circle like that. Throw a ball at a wall that is standing up straight, it will make a very even mark. Angle the wall a bit and the mark will go longer towards the side of the lean.

Here is a sample from blood pattern analysis that works to illustrate, a ball sliding across a surface, or hitting an uneven pocket facing can't possibly make perfect circles with an even distribution of color on the impact like in the pictures. If the marks came from the cloth sliding friction, the mark would look more like the 10 degree one, it would be a small oval, not a circle.

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This is the location of the hit that shows how the marks would look like. If they were from a pocket that is not at a perfect angle or from anything aside from a head on even hit, the colors of the circles would be uneven, but in the pictures they are very even.

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Science, B!tche$!
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Mr. Hang, I am finding this rather disturbing that you know so much about blood deposits, care to share the resource of this knowledge?? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
fastone371 said:
Mr. Hang, I am finding this rather disturbing that you know so much about blood deposits, care to share the resource of this knowledge?? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
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Yes, meet me behind the 7-11 at 2am, carry a large amount of cash in your wallet and no ID, I will provide you with details about what you want to know then.

If you happen to have a tarp or tent you want to stand on, that will help me out also... No need to tell anyone where you are going, you should stuck in the back in no time. NO, wait, I mean you will be back in no time. Yea..
 
pt109 said:
There is knowledge on this subject that is 100 years old....
...I’ve posted on it a couple times over the years.
Does every generation have to relearn it?


pt...still doesn’t know how the pyramids were built
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I have never seen this phenomenon at a pool room though.

Yes, rtrdriveler. I have been to one...or more
 
Black-Balled said:
I have never seen this phenomenon at a pool room though.

Yes, rtrdriveler. I have been to one...or more
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This is what really confuses me Black, I have never ever seen this at pool room with gc, diamonds, old, new cloth, all brands of balls, ball star, diamond polisher. (also never at the derby)

Why do we only have this issue at home? Humidity in the basement? Really stretching here...

Ian
 
fastone371 said:
My Gold Crown started doing this when I put brand new Simonis 860 on it. At the same time the cloth was replaced I bought a brand new set of Centennials to go with my new Simonis and rails. 1 year later I got a new set of Aramith Tournament Pros, these do not mark up nearly as bad or as quick. 1 year after that I added a new set of Cyclop skittle colored balls, these dont really show any marks, I am guessing because of the light colors. All of my balls go thru my Diamond polisher frequently.

If that is true about a Diamond making you better player then my Gold Crown will make you an even better player than a Diamond. My GCI is a tight 4 3/8" pocket.
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It is not necessarily how tight your pockets are (width at the mouth) but what their taper is and how long the shelf is that will determine how sloppy or forgiving the pockets are. All in another post on this thread.

You can order or make the pockets on a Diamond pro am in a lot of different sizes, but the pro pockets, which I have on mine, are 4 1/2 inches at the mouth and 3 3/4 at the throat. The shelf depth is deeper on a Diamond than a Brunswick determined by pro players to be where 40% of the ball is still available to hit on a down the rail shot at the object balls deepest point.

Now I do know someone that can make a Brunswick table play like a Diamond. He is an expert in redoing rails and pockets to whatever specs. you desire.

He set up my table and is considered the Diamond expert in this area. He is a full time table mechanic and works directly with Diamond manufacturing as far buying, selling, transporting and storage in the greater Denver metro area.
 
Drivel...well know info.
rtrdriver said:
It is not necessarily how tight your pockets are (width at the mouth) but what their taper is and how long the shelf is that will determine how sloppy or forgiving the pockets are. All in another post on this thread.

You can order or make the pockets on a Diamond pro am in a lot of different sizes, but the pro pockets, which I have on mine, are 4 1/2 inches at the mouth and 3 3/4 at the throat. The shelf depth is deeper on a Diamond than a Brunswick determined by pro players to be where 40% of the ball is still available to hit on a down the rail shot at the object balls deepest point.

Now I do know someone that can make a Brunswick table play like a Diamond. He is an expert in redoing rails and pockets to whatever specs. you desire.

He set up my table and is considered the Diamond expert in this area. He is a full time table mechanic and works directly with Diamond manufacturing as far buying, selling, transporting and storage in the greater Denver metro area.
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Tell us the story about how much you know again...that was a funny one.

rtrdriver said:
What happened? Did you get kicked off of Facebook for ridicule so you decided this venue would be your next stop?

Your comments are getting to the point where they are not even worth responding to.

In case you haven't noticed, this is a forum where people have discussions about certain topics. You can either offer something constructive to the topic or take your friggin' nonsense somewhere else.

I think they still have an opening at your nearest kindergarten class where you can bully the little children. Or maybe you would like to sneak in their bathroom and watch the little boys go tinkle since you must be lacking what really would make a man out of you.
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On topic guys...this has been driving me nuts for years and would love to get to the bottom of it.

Ian
 
xianmacx said:
On topic guys...this has been driving me nuts for years and would love to get to the bottom of it.

Ian
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I am working on getting my table recovered/ subrails done...but since i am a documented champion


poster, i gotta have the right guy do it.

we will see how that impacts the scenario, but I don't foresee that info coming quickly.
 
xianmacx said:
On topic guys...this has been driving me nuts for years and would love to get to the bottom of it.

Ian
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It is one ball hitting another. As to where they come from, dirt on table, humidity, ball cleaner, invisible fairies getting crushed, so far we got nothing.

I think we pretty much ruled out everything else that can possibly cause it aside from magic nails that leave marks 4 times their own diameter with no other damage or pocket backs that leave white almost perfect circles (both pretty clear are not the cause hehe).

Maybe someone that is a chemist or knows one can take a sample and see what they find out about the composition of those dots.

I am thinking it's a mix of room temperature and humidity, along with ball cleaner and whatever stuff is on the table bed and hands, the humidity makes the balls pick up a small layer of stuff over time, they whack together and we see what we see.
 
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I guess I could hold one clean ball in each hand and bang them together to see what happens then.

Are there any other experiments you think might yield further insight?

I have:
Dirty table
Clean cyclop set
Dirty aramith set
 
hang-the-9 said:
It is one ball hitting another. As to where they come from, dirt on table, humidity, ball cleaner, invisible fairies getting crushed, so far we got nothing.

I think we pretty much ruled out everything else that can possibly cause it aside from magic nails that leave marks 4 times their own diameter with no other damage or pocket backs that leave white almost perfect circles (both pretty clear are not the cause hehe).

Maybe someone that is a chemist or knows one can take a sample and see what they find out about the composition of those dots.

I am thinking it's a mix of room temperature and humidity, along with ball cleaner and whatever stuff is on the table bed and hands, the humidity makes the balls pick up a small layer of stuff over time, they whack together and we see what we see.
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I think I agree on the ball to ball contact but why never at a pool hall and lots of us report it at home?
 
Black-Balled said:
I guess I could hold one clean ball in each hand and bang them together to see what happens then.

Are there any other experiments you think might yield further insight?

I have:
Dirty table
Clean cyclop set
Dirty aramith set
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Great idea just banging them together. Eliminate all variables...
 
I used to get these spots on Super Aramith Pros (same formulation as Centennials, BTW), used in a leather drop pocket table, and Championship 760 cloth. The cloth also showed numerous white burn marks.

Since going to 860HR and Duramith balls, they've stopped, both the spots on the balls and the white spots on the cloth.
 
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