Spreading Misinformation?

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cuetechasaurus

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I came across this guy that gives pool lessons on youtube. He says its at Hollywood Billiards, but doesn't tell what city or state. Judging by the look of the room, I think it's that back room with one pool table in Hollywood Billiards, Hollywood, CA.

First he shows a stop shot. Then a draw shot. Nothing wrong there. Then he says that by using low-left english on the same straight in shot to the side, that the low left causes the cueball to draw back to the left, because of the bottom left. He obviously doesn't realize that he's cheating the pocket. Apparently he doesn't believe that you can hit a straight in draw or follow shot with sidespin, and still get the cueball to draw straight back or follow straight forward.

I have no problem with people givings lessons that don't play very good, but I think that when you give lessons, and spread MISINFORMATION, you are harming the games of other players, and it's very possible that you taught them bad habits or bad knowledge, that might cause them to take alot longer to become good players.

What do you think of this guy?

LOL I couldn't help but laugh :D

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1YW5h-P0dU&mode=related&search=
 
cuetechasaurus said:
I came across this guy that gives pool lessons on youtube. He says its at Hollywood Billiards, but doesn't tell what city or state. Judging by the look of the room, I think it's that back room with one pool table in Hollywood Billiards, Hollywood, CA.

First he shows a stop shot. Then a draw shot. Nothing wrong there. Then he says that by using low-left english on the same straight in shot to the side, that the low left causes the cueball to draw back to the left, because of the bottom left. He obviously doesn't realize that he's cheating the pocket. Apparently he doesn't believe that you can hit a straight in draw or follow shot with sidespin, and still get the cueball to draw straight back or follow straight forward.

I have no problem with people givings lessons that don't play very good, but I think that when you give lessons, and spread MISINFORMATION, you are harming the games of other players, and it's very possible that you taught them bad habits or bad knowledge, that might cause them to take alot longer to become good players.

What do you think of this guy?

LOL I couldn't help but laugh :D

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1YW5h-P0dU&mode=related&search=
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All he did was "cheat" the pocket a little on the last two draw shots. HELLO!

Early in the "lesson" he recommends cueing off the rail when the object ball is more than a foot away. I don't agree with this. Your bridge hand should be on the table for this shot. Then he explains why an "open" bridge is fine for some shots. WRONG!

I guarantee this guy is not from Scott or Randy's school.
 
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cuetechasaurus said:
I came across this guy that gives pool lessons on youtube. He says its at Hollywood Billiards, but doesn't tell what city or state. Judging by the look of the room, I think it's that back room with one pool table in Hollywood Billiards, Hollywood, CA.

First he shows a stop shot. Then a draw shot. Nothing wrong there. Then he says that by using low-left english on the same straight in shot to the side, that the low left causes the cueball to draw back to the left, because of the bottom left. He obviously doesn't realize that he's cheating the pocket. Apparently he doesn't believe that you can hit a straight in draw or follow shot with sidespin, and still get the cueball to draw straight back or follow straight forward.

I have no problem with people givings lessons that don't play very good, but I think that when you give lessons, and spread MISINFORMATION, you are harming the games of other players, and it's very possible that you taught them bad habits or bad knowledge, that might cause them to take alot longer to become good players.

What do you think of this guy?

LOL I couldn't help but laugh :D

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1YW5h-P0dU&mode=related&search=
Click to expand...



FWIW, Dean does have it listed on his website that he is an APA 6. I agree that the lessons are a bit unresearched and the instruction is vague, but IMO Dean is doing his part to promote the sport. Do I think he should be giving the lessons? I believe that there are some that will learn from what he has there, but I think Dean would do his webiste justice by getting some of the best in instructors in the world - Jerry Breiseth - Randy Gettlicher - Scott Lee - Mark Wilson - Tom Simpson - to contribute to his website - I think his site has a great foundation to do that. He already has Mad Max Eberle on the site, which is great - because Max is an excellent teacher of the game.
 
He can.........

He can teach some basics. I think he could help a lower skill level player. Same way I could probally help him. I don't like to teach that much though. I'll do a 15 minute quick lesson but I'm spent after that. I admire him for tryin to help. But I don't think he should be charging a large hourly rate. I have a buddy of mine here in town that gave lessons and I myself don't know what people were thinking but they said he did help. At the time he was probally a weak 6 in eight ball, a pretty good five.
 
I fail to see the problem here. I'm sure he isn't trying to make people worse than they are; if anything, we should thank him for trying...
 
Yeah, I don't want to bash the guy for trying, and a lot of people misunderstand stuff like the low left example, and hold on to those misconceptions for years (while still shooting fine).

I'd like to just straighten the guy out on the things he has wrong, and then encourage him to keep teaching what's right.
 
That guy should open his own pool school and call it Barnum and Baileys Pool School. What a clown! JMO.

Southpaw
 
cuetechasaurus said:
... First he shows a stop shot. Then a draw shot. Nothing wrong there. Then he says that by using low-left english on the same straight in shot to the side, that the low left causes the cueball to draw back to the left, because of the bottom left. He obviously doesn't realize that he's cheating the pocket. ...
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In Mosconi's "ring around the side" drill -- a semicircle of balls around the side pocket to be shot in order without hitting a rail, and generally using draw only -- you sometimes get too far over for the next shot. For example, if you are shooting from right to left on the semicircle of balls, you might have a shot that is straight in to the right side of the pocket so there is no way to bring the cue ball to the left for the next shot. Almost no way. If you use left english and jack up, you can make the ball and move the cue ball to the left.

I'm sure that's not what the guy had in mind, but you can, in fact, bring the cue ball back to the left with left english.

Of course, if the cue ball is very close to the object ball, you could also use right english and throw the ball into the pocket and still move the cue ball to the left. This shot will only work for those people who believe that spin on the cue ball can throw the object ball.

For a diagram of Mosconi's drill and two other draw drills, see http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2001-04.pdf
 
Bob Jewett said:
Of course, if the cue ball is very close to the object ball, you could also use right english and throw the ball into the pocket and still move the cue ball to the left. This shot will only work for those people who believe that spin on the cue ball can throw the object ball.
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You mean the balls know if you believe or not?:p
 
PKM said:
You mean the balls know if you believe or not?:p
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No, I mean that if you don't believe in it, it will be impossible for you to visualize the shot, and you will find a way for it not to work.
 
So you guys are saying. If he is using low left and it wasn't cheating the pocket, the CB will go straight back?
 
WesleyW said:
So you guys are saying. If he is using low left and it wasn't cheating the pocket, the CB will go straight back?
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Correct! Just try it for yourself.
 
jay helfert said:
Correct! Just try it for yourself.
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It's quite difficult to try it by myself. When using low left, the CB will deflect, so it's difficult to hit it full ;) .

But when I'm thinking about, he is indeed spreading misinformation. If it's true what he said. The CB wouldn't travel straight to the OB.

Only hitting the rail will effect the CB's path.
 
I have to say the quality of those videos is pretty damn good.
He is also pretty good at demonstrating shots.
It is just sad that he obviously has some misunderstanding of what he is demonstrating.
I feel for him because I spent years executing shots pretty good and totally misunderstanding what was happening to make the end results come out that way.
Dr. Dave's book is where I finally started to see the light so maybe Ron could read that.
Meanwhile I want to say good luck to him and I hope he keeps the faith, learns from his mistakes and pursues the truth.
 
Bob Jewett said:
In Mosconi's "ring around the side" drill -- a semicircle of balls around the side pocket to be shot in order without hitting a rail, and generally using draw only -- you sometimes get too far over for the next shot. For example, if you are shooting from right to left on the semicircle of balls, you might have a shot that is straight in to the right side of the pocket so there is no way to bring the cue ball to the left for the next shot. Almost no way. If you use left english and jack up, you can make the ball and move the cue ball to the left.

I'm sure that's not what the guy had in mind, but you can, in fact, bring the cue ball back to the left with left english.

Of course, if the cue ball is very close to the object ball, you could also use right english and throw the ball into the pocket and still move the cue ball to the left. This shot will only work for those people who believe that spin on the cue ball can throw the object ball.

For a diagram of Mosconi's drill and two other draw drills, see http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2001-04.pdf
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Yep I'm fully aware of that shot, and have used it quite a few times if the balls are close enough together, and if they aren't too far from a pocket (the masse shot).

The problem with this guy is that he isn't demonstrating that. He doesn't mention that you can do that with a slight masse, he is saying that just low-left or low-right will make the cueball do that.
 
WesleyW said:
So you guys are saying. If he is using low left and it wasn't cheating the pocket, the CB will go straight back?
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Except for a half-masse shot, in which you can get the masse to occur after the ball-ball contact, and then left side will bring the cue ball to the left after contact. This is an advanced technique, but quite well known.

Some people think that side spin on the cue ball will make the cue ball rub enough on the object ball that the cue ball is pulled to the side. This is a real but quite small effect, and since it pulls the object ball in the other direction, you usually don't gain much, if anything, from its use. You are usually better off cheating the pocket with no side spin.
 
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