Squirt/Deflection On This Shot

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DrCue'sProtege

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this type of shot is a problem for me. its one of the routine shots of the game that you need to master.

my problem is that when i shoot this shot with some low left to bring the cue ball back for position on the '4' Ball, sometimes the cue ball squirts, other times it doesnt, and i am therefore inconsistent here.

now, please, lets talk about this shot only, ok? i know there are other ways to get position on the '4', but lets assume this shot is the only alternative.

anybody have any tips on how to control the rock on this shot?

DCP

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Have u tried backhand english on this?
Aim dead center, move your tail to the right a little, freeze on those legs, practice stroke, shoot.
 
DCP there's no 'trick' to this shot, you just have to practice it.

Really what you have to be aware here is the speed of the cue ball --

-- Too hard and it squirts too much and you undercut (too full)
-- Too soft and the ball will swerve and you will overcut (too thin)

This is probably why sometimes the ball squirts and sometimes it doesn't. Perhaps some of the time it squirts but then starts to swerve.

Have you also thought of the possibility that you're not striking the cue ball accurately?

This is just the sort of shot you have to practice until it's routine and consistent. I think you spend too much time on AZB posting this stuff when you should be setting up this shot 200+ times a day.

So just go out and practice.
 
either use just draw or just left. you don't need low-left.

DrCue'sProtege said:
this type of shot is a problem for me. its one of the routine shots of the game that you need to master.

my problem is that when i shoot this shot with some low left to bring the cue ball back for position on the '4' Ball, sometimes the cue ball squirts, other times it doesnt, and i am therefore inconsistent here.

now, please, lets talk about this shot only, ok? i know there are other ways to get position on the '4', but lets assume this shot is the only alternative.

anybody have any tips on how to control the rock on this shot?

DCP

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Try this....

Take just HALF the time you spend posting these questions and go to a REAL table and play. I've yet to see someone's game jump up from just posting questions.

Join a league of APA people (you could probably slide in as a 3) and bang the balls around.

How serious can you really be about getting better? You live where there are plenty of world beaters within 3 hours of you and most would either give you lessons or play really cheap sets where you could get a real look into how to do what you need to do.

I won the lag, broke and didn't run out the race to 15..
I missed a ball straight in...
How do you cut this ball......

If you miss a ball, set it up until you make it enough that you feel comfortable with it or that you know that the shot is just not something you should be trying.
 
All the advice we end up giving you... do you actually use it? I think you just post these threads to ***** about runouts you f*cked up.

You never post back in the threads asking other things or saying you tried it or even saying thanks. I think you just post and ***** about you game and never make any of the adjustments offered to you and go about shooting horrible and posting about runouts you messed up... its a horrible cycle, almost more-so for us then you...
 
I tired of these posts also. I think you a kook. Take up Solitare-please?

Should I go to Peoria? Dumb question. The answer is in you, not in these forums. You are an adult are you not?
 
It's probably swerve, not squirt, that's causing your problems.

You can't baby these shots or poke at them, or the cueball will curve before it hits the 3. Try to keep the cue as level as possible, use one tip left and one tip low, and just smoothly stroke right on through the cueball. Use only as much power as necessary to get the cueball back with spin. If necessary, move the tip further left to get more action but keep the stroke the same.

I think you are hitting down on the cueball with a diving stroke and it is swerving off line.

Chris
 
Like someone said above, backhand english is great for this type of shot. And like someone else said above, you should be practicing this shot hundreds of times. You need to "train your brain" how to make this shot consistently (with or without english). This will only happen after hundreds and hundreds of repetitions just like any other shot. If you don't want to go through all that, just learn BHE! Not that BHE is the answer to everything, but for this particular shot or if the object ball is closer to or on the rail, it works amazingly well.
 
Icon of Sin said:
You never post back in the threads asking other things or saying you tried it or even saying thanks.
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To his credit, DCP has been an ongoing participant in his threads lately. Keep up the good work !

Dave
 
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djp2k6 said:
Like someone said above, backhand english is great for this type of shot. And like someone else said above, you should be practicing this shot hundreds of times. You need to "train your brain" how to make this shot consistently (with or without english). This will only happen after hundreds and hundreds of repetitions just like any other shot. If you don't want to go through all that, just learn BHE! Not that BHE is the answer to everything, but for this particular shot or if the object ball is closer to or on the rail, it works amazingly well.
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Although BHE works very well on this shot, adjustments need to be made for each table, cloth, how the balls are playing, and so on. BHE is not a panacea or cure-all for this shot. Face it, this shot is a critical shot. It's not a gimme. Practice it until you know how to pot it reliably. Someone suggested shooting it 200 times. That's good advice. And be sure to do it on both sides of the table. IMHO, this shot is a feel shot, and BHE alone won't make it easy.

My two cents worth.

Flex
 
If you would just shut up and practice everyday for ten or fifteen hours,in a year you wouldnt have to post this stupid s**t.
 
Huh?

OK,
I have only been a member here for a few days. I did however watch the boards before joining.:D

Now you have asked some pretty simpleton questions. I like to help the fellow player when I can, but come now...you are kidding right?:eek:

If you cannot execute this shot consistently, I think you need to tell Dr. Cue.:o

Now this is not to down, or doubt his abilities as a teacher(Dr cue=Tom Rossman, right?(now that guy can play, I'll take a lesson or two)), but maybe yours as a student. You have not done your homework!

I am sure that if you told him about this shot, he would tell you what you have already heard. "practice it 200 times" although I might recommend 500, and as someone else said "each side of the table". I have probably shot this shot 5000 times + in my life, and all of them count as practice(brick layer). I will do it another 5000 with no doubt.

Obviously because you are compelled to ask here, you have not practiced it. If you had, you would not be asking. You could go directly to "The Monk" himself and he would say set-it-up...see it in your minds eye....feel the shot...be the shot...shoot the shot....make the shot! Maybe it is not the shots your missing, maybe it is self confidence.

Another factor could be inferior equipment(cue,shaft,ferrule,tip) To provide inconsistent hit to a consistent stroke, but is your stroke consistent?(do the lag test or stroke a beer bottle)

Now I am not going to answer how to shoot this shot...YOU ALREADY KNOW!!(or at least you should). But what I will say, well ask,

WHERE DO YOU LIVE?

I GIVE LESSONS!!!;) :rolleyes:
 
slampro said:
If you cannot execute this shot consistently, I think you need to tell Dr. Cue.:o

Now this is not to down, or doubt his abilities as a teacher(Dr cue=Tom Rossman, right?(now that guy can play, I'll take a lesson or two)), but maybe yours as a student. You have not done your homework!
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This probably is my biggest issue with DCP's questions. I mean, they're not really terrible questions, but if he's "Dr. Cue's Protegé," what in the world is Dr. Cue teaching him? I have to believe Tom Rossman's students know better than he's being represented.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
This probably is my biggest issue with DCP's questions. I mean, they're not really terrible questions, but if he's "Dr. Cue's Protegé," what in the world is Dr. Cue teaching him? I have to believe Tom Rossman's students know better than he's being represented.

Fred
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I agree!

I love to talk about shots and discuss the multiple ways to play the shot, but to the extent DCP is doing it is ridiculous. A lot of the shots he is posting it is pretty obvious what way to play the shot and a lot of the shots (like this one) have multiple different ways to play it rather then having to get perfect on it the next ball. Just because you missed the shot, doesnt mean you dont know how to play it.

I know APA SL4's that know how to execute this shot. I knew it when I was a SL3. This shot should be an unconcious shot for you, you should be able to step to the table and know immediately what shot to play on this.

Like I said in other posts though, I think you are just looking for a reason to b!tch about your failed runouts still, rather then really looking for advice. I hope this is the case because otherwise you must be a terrible shot and are giving Mr. Rossman a bad name.
 
If you have that much trouble drawing your ball,,,,,,,,,,,,,just follow it and play the 4 long rail.
 
One nice thing about having my own table at home is that I can draw X's on the cloth for a specific shot like this. I place an X where the object ball is, then and X where the cue ball is. (I use regular white blackboard chalk.)

Then shoot the same exact shot over and over.

Doing this has helped *everyone* I know to become much better at specific shots they are having trouble with.

And this NEVER fails to improve a players shotmaking. Anyone!

Before this type of practice, someone (say a beginner) will be way off on certain cut shots. Then I have that person shoot the same exact shot over and over. At first they are way off and miss all their shots. This is ok, they are learning. After 10 or so shots, they start to make them. Then they make more and more in a row.

After this we will play a few games. Then that same shot comes up. They make it!

It is really amazing how well this works.
 
I think it's funny that people are ragging on dcp when they aren't even playing the shot right themselves lol
 
Billy_Bob said:
One nice thing about having my own table at home is that I can draw X's on the cloth for a specific shot like this. I place an X where the object ball is, then and X where the cue ball is. (I use regular white blackboard chalk.)

Then shoot the same exact shot over and over.

Doing this has helped *everyone* I know to become much better at specific shots they are having trouble with.

And this NEVER fails to improve a players shotmaking. Anyone!

Before this type of practice, someone (say a beginner) will be way off on certain cut shots. Then I have that person shoot the same exact shot over and over. At first they are way off and miss all their shots. This is ok, they are learning. After 10 or so shots, they start to make them. Then they make more and more in a row.

After this we will play a few games. Then that same shot comes up. They make it!

It is really amazing how well this works.
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why not reinforcements? they are made removeable now. I am not being awise guy but maybe a reason.
 
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