Stake Horses
- Thread starter Creole
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We aren't mind readers
Depends what you mean by "kills the action".....do you mean....
1. One of the young players stake horses made it clear to his player that if he matched up with this guy who'd walked in he was not going to personally put up any of the stake.....
or....
2. The same stake horse told his player that he did not want him to play with this guy even if the player put up the stake himself.....
......or something else?
Depends what you mean by "kills the action".....do you mean....
1. One of the young players stake horses made it clear to his player that if he matched up with this guy who'd walked in he was not going to personally put up any of the stake.....
or....
2. The same stake horse told his player that he did not want him to play with this guy even if the player put up the stake himself.....
......or something else?
The stake horse is putting up his money. He has every right to say who he will stake his player against. If the player is putting up his own money to match up...the stake horse should have nothing to say about it. I guess it happens...but mostly in the movies. Johnnyt
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John Barton
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Simple solution - play on your own money. Pump up on your own and then make whatever games you want to make - get all the glory and all the money. Don't be beholden to anyone but yourself.
A backer or stakehorse has every right to decline to be involved in any game they don't feel good about. Most of them prefer to be in games that they think is stealing anyway so it doesn't really matter what the player thinks is a fair game or a good game.
If you are going to use someone else's money then be prepared to beg. Very few players get carte blanche with their backer's money, if any.
A backer or stakehorse has every right to decline to be involved in any game they don't feel good about. Most of them prefer to be in games that they think is stealing anyway so it doesn't really matter what the player thinks is a fair game or a good game.
If you are going to use someone else's money then be prepared to beg. Very few players get carte blanche with their backer's money, if any.
There you go creole, the last two posters seem to be assuming you meant No 1. If that is what you meant by "killing the action" I suspect most people, including me would generally agree with them.
However if you meant No 2, or something else, they might answer a little differently
However if you meant No 2, or something else, they might answer a little differently
memikey said:There you go creole, the last two posters seem to be assuming you meant No 1. If that is what you meant by "killing the action" I suspect most people, including me would generally agree with them.
However if you meant No 2, or something else, they might answer a little differently
I'm sure he just worded it poorly, memikey. He has to be talking about #1 and I don't know anyone who wouldn't reserve the right to nix a game his player liked but he didn't.
Johnnyt said:
Thank you. If I'm putting up the money, I have a voice in the game.
I agree its too hard to build a bankroll only to lose it in a tough or bad game. I stake games alot and have had players agree to a game then adjust without discussing it with me! I have seen it go from HERO to Zero more than once. You have to have all that stuff worked out ahead of time. IMHO. If I stake a game putting up a 1000 to win 500 or 600 its not good odds on my money. So I do have a say in it! A real big one.jay helfert said:
heart and head
Players are great players because they have heart. They may or may not have the head to go with it. Billy I is an example of a player with both. Many players that play great would lose their butts gambling without a stakehorse/manager that kept them out of foolish games.
There were a couple of long stretches when I grabbed up an unknown, "Jackjaw" and made a solid living playing pool. He was only a hair better than I was and we would often go into a place separately and whichever one got going first, the other would pick up the scraps when folks tried to recover their loses a bit. We split winnings straight up the middle regardless of who won them and we both paid mortgages and he fed a family.
However, when I wasn't around Jackjaw couldn't break even gambling. Way too much heart and not enough head. Every night before we went into a place I had a talk with him about betting. It really took that constant reminder to keep him out of bad games. Occasionally I had to bust our deal of not knowing each other and shut him down in midstream. We were poor boys and if we lost our stake we were up the creek without any paddle.
Hu
Players are great players because they have heart. They may or may not have the head to go with it. Billy I is an example of a player with both. Many players that play great would lose their butts gambling without a stakehorse/manager that kept them out of foolish games.
There were a couple of long stretches when I grabbed up an unknown, "Jackjaw" and made a solid living playing pool. He was only a hair better than I was and we would often go into a place separately and whichever one got going first, the other would pick up the scraps when folks tried to recover their loses a bit. We split winnings straight up the middle regardless of who won them and we both paid mortgages and he fed a family.
However, when I wasn't around Jackjaw couldn't break even gambling. Way too much heart and not enough head. Every night before we went into a place I had a talk with him about betting. It really took that constant reminder to keep him out of bad games. Occasionally I had to bust our deal of not knowing each other and shut him down in midstream. We were poor boys and if we lost our stake we were up the creek without any paddle.
Hu
Most railbirds dislike stake horses. They think they take advantage of the players. They should try it themselves a few times. The stakehorse has to win an average of 3 out of 4 matches for the same bet to make any real profit on his money. Not so easy to do with two pros matching up. Johnnyt
John Barton said:
A great idea on paper, but as you surely know, a high percentage of the top action players over the years are stone go offs on their own money. And if they don't blow it on a pool match it's going to the casino, card room or track. There are some exceptions, but most of the "Gunfighters" have to be in action, even if it is bad. John Henderson