Stan shuffet and cte pro one

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For the 30 category:

CB OB relationships for the 30 are always seen as being either thick to the pocket or thin to the pocket.
Those alignments that are thick to the pocket must have an inside pivot. INSIDE always thins a thick alignment.
Those alignments that are thin to the pocket must have an outside PIVOT. OUTSIDE always thickens a thin alignment.

Stan Shuffett


So let me get this straight..... EVERY 30 perception will have to look either thin or thick? Nothing will ever look just right? That is a bit far-fetched.

Did I sttttttttutter?
 
I dont think you guys using the system realize during your sweep your creating the shot picture you thinks right as your falling(sweeping) into the shot. Makes since.

Its not difficult to see a miss to thick or to thin.
 
As to the first part of your statement, you say several CTE users have provided tips and help in this thread. What posts would those be? I don't see a one.

There you go again with your hasty assumptions and fabricated drama. I never said the good tips and honest help were in this thread. You have a bad habit of making things up.
 
I dont think you guys using the system realize during your sweep your creating the shot picture you thinks right as your falling(sweeping) into the shot. Makes since.

Its not difficult to see a miss to thick or to thin.

This is the logical explanation for it. The perception gets you very close to the shot line, then your sweep or pivot fine tunes it a little thicker or thinner depending on your judgement.
 
There you go again with your hasty assumptions and fabricated drama. I never said the good tips and honest help were in this thread. You have a bad habit of making things up.

Boy, you have no shame at all, do you? There isn't a person on here that is dumb enough to not know you were talking about this thread. Yet, when caught red handed in your antagonizing of the only person left that was willing to help you, you stab him in the back and lie about it.
 
How can an alignment be dead on when using CTE?

You do understand that when someone is using CTE, they will never be directly behind/or on the line of the shot?. They are offset (hence the term).

The pivot/sweep is what brings the player to the shot line.

I understand that once you drop the perception lines and focus your vision on CCB, you are very close to the actual shot line and must determine (by looking at this ccb line) whether or not you need an inside or outside pivot/sweep. The pivot/sweep thins or thickens the shot line provided by the perception, and now you find yourself dead on the CCB solution for the shot.

Now....what if you determine that the CCB line provided by the perception looks dead on, not thick or thin? Do you just pick thin? Or thick? Or do you stroke right into CCB from where you are?
 
Boy, you have no shame at all, do you? There isn't a person on here that is dumb enough to not know you were talking about this thread. Yet, when caught red handed in your antagonizing of the only person left that was willing to help you, you stab him in the back and lie about it.


Actually I'd day most people in this thread have read the comments in this thread and knew exactly that I was not referring to this thread. I'm pretty straightforward, writing exactly what I mean without ambiguity. If I had meant this thread, I would've stated such.
 
I understand that once you drop the perception lines and focus your vision on CCB, you are very close to the actual shot line and must determine (by looking at this ccb line) whether or not you need an inside or outside pivot/sweep. The pivot/sweep thins or thickens the shot line provided by the perception, and now you find yourself dead on the CCB solution for the shot.

Now....what if you determine that the CCB line provided by the perception looks dead on, not thick or thin? Do you just pick thin? Or thick? Or do you stroke right into CCB from where you are?

Why don't you just take it to the table and find out for yourself since you don't want to listen to anyone. You just keep on trolling and asking the same stupid question over and over. It's stupid because you even provided the answer in your own post.
 
Actually I'd day most people in this thread have read the comments in this thread and knew exactly that I was not referring to this thread. I'm pretty straightforward, writing exactly what I mean without ambiguity. If I had meant this thread, I would've stated such.

Boy, you don't give anyone any credit, do you? If you had meant all threads, you would have stated so. But, carry on with your slander and trolling. :rolleyes:

Besides, Mohrt and I were the last two users you had left that were really trying to help you. Pretty sure Mohrt won't be helping you anymore after the last time he tried to. So now you have no one to help you. Nice job in showing your true colors on here.
 
Why don't you just take it to the table and find out for yourself since you don't want to listen to anyone. You just keep on trolling and asking the same stupid question over and over. It's stupid because you even provided the answer in your own post.


As I've stated before......I have taken it to the table, that's why I'm asking these questions. When I get a perception that gives me a CCB that already looks good, do I still need to thin or thick enough it with a pivot or sweep?

Nevermind.....I'd prefer someone else reply to this.
 
Boy, you don't give anyone any credit, do you? If you had meant all threads, you would have stated so. But, carry on with your slander and trolling. :rolleyes:

Besides, Mohrt and I were the last two users you had left that were really trying to help you. Pretty sure Mohrt won't be helping you anymore after the last time he tried to. So now you have no one to help you. Nice job in showing your true colors on here.

No credit? I assume everyone here has read the comments. You assume no one has and would therefore not know that I was surely not talking about this particular thread.

And Mohrt has been very helpful and civil, and his website has lots of good info. So I don't know what you mean there. You are taking SpiderWebbComm's place with pot stirring and attitude posts, nothing constructive. I hope you are finished, but it doesn't matter....I am finished with you. It's too distracting and off the point.
 
I understand that once you drop the perception lines and focus your vision on CCB, you are very close to the actual shot line and must determine (by looking at this ccb line) whether or not you need an inside or outside pivot/sweep. The pivot/sweep thins or thickens the shot line provided by the perception, and now you find yourself dead on the CCB solution for the shot.

Now....what if you determine that the CCB line provided by the perception looks dead on, not thick or thin? Do you just pick thin? Or thick? Or do you stroke right into CCB from where you are?

I don't know for sure but I don't think this is correct.

I pivot on any almost straight in shot and make it every time. I line up inside (edge of cue through CBC to cente OB) and pivot back to center. Always pivot. If it's straight enough that I can't tell which side is inside, then I just pick a side and still make it.

I always pivot. Again, not sure about CTE strictly. As an aside, I always line up inside and pivot towards the outside which is not CTE I understand. Only including my perspective because it seems relevant about the pivot on almost straight shots.

I do it on tight (4.25" 9' diamonds) and almost never miss those shots. Off the rail, full table, doesn't matter. Drives my 1p opponents nuts because they leave those shots as traps.
 
As I've stated before......I have taken it to the table, that's why I'm asking these questions. When I get a perception that gives me a CCB that already looks good, do I still need to thin or thick enough it with a pivot or sweep?

Nevermind.....I'd prefer someone else reply to this.

You are left handed, do you notice that a sweep may not be needed when you are, let's say, playing 14.1 and you are cutting a 45 degree shot to the right corner pocket and the shot relationship is and I'm sorry I can't give you quadrant numbers, is where the rack spot would be. Some where in that area, very basic shot. Cb is nice and free but maybe you are bridging off the rail but very comfortable.

Something like that.

I'm sure if you pay attention, the sweepless shots you are referring to, coincide more with particular quadrants, rather than just pure randomness but I don't know exactly how you shoot but I remember your stroke reminds me of Efren.

I suspect you don't find "cling" as near often as others. Cling meaning when you tend to roll a ball at slower type speed and a friction grab occurs and throws the shot off bad, resulting in a miss usually.
 
I don't know for sure but I don't think this is correct.

I pivot on any almost straight in shot and make it every time. I line up inside (edge of cue through CBC to cente OB) and pivot back to center. Always pivot. If it's straight enough that I can't tell which side is inside, then I just pick a side and still make it.

I always pivot. Again, not sure about CTE strictly. As an aside, I always line up inside and pivot towards the outside which is not CTE I understand. Only including my perspective because it seems relevant about the pivot on almost straight shots.

I do it on tight (4.25" 9' diamonds) and almost never miss those shots. Off the rail, full table, doesn't matter. Drives my 1p opponents nuts because they leave those shots as traps.

Sounds different than CTE, but effective. Does it work as well on straight shots with several feet between the CB and OB? Pretty handy tool if it does.
 
Sounds different than CTE, but effective. Does it work as well on straight shots with several feet between the CB and OB? Pretty handy tool if it does.

I know a guy who plays like this only for long shots that are just a tiny bit off straight in, like if you hit it straight you might hit one of the points. You basically just line up with the tip just off center and pivot to center. Personally, I find it easier just to aim a tick off center on the ob and stroke as I normally do.
 
You are left handed, do you notice that a sweep may not be needed when you are, let's say, playing 14.1 and you are cutting a 45 degree shot to the right corner pocket and the shot relationship is and I'm sorry I can't give you quadrant numbers, is where the rack spot would be. Some where in that area, very basic shot. Cb is nice and free but maybe you are bridging off the rail but very comfortable.

Something like that.

I'm sure if you pay attention, the sweepless shots you are referring to, coincide more with particular quadrants, rather than just pure randomness but I don't know exactly how you shoot but I remember your stroke reminds me of Efren.

I suspect you don't find "cling" as near often as others. Cling meaning when you tend to roll a ball at slower type speed and a friction grab occurs and throws the shot off bad, resulting in a miss usually.

?... I'm a right-handed player. :)

I just know I've picked a cte perception, say a 30, then the view of CCB I get from this position looks good, like no adjustment is needed. I know this by looking at the OB and realizing it's a dead 5/8 aim, and that's exactly where my CCB line happens to be pointing. It doesn't look thin or thick, but looks good as it is.

There's a popular cte trainer on YouTube that uses ghostball to help judge if a perception looks thin or thick. What does he do if it looks perfect already? Does he work backwards from that CCB alignment (reverse-engineering) in order to land right back on the line that looked good before doing the reverse-engineering pivot? If so, that means he already knew the shot line simply by looking at the balls, no sweep or pivot required to solve a CB solution. The solution was automatically recognized, like a feel player describes when he says he just sees the shot. It's a fine line there and it seems like player judgement plays a major role in determining that final CCB solution.
 
Sounds different than CTE, but effective. Does it work as well on straight shots with several feet between the CB and OB? Pretty handy tool if it does.

Yes. Very handy. Several feet is no problem.
 
I know a guy who plays like this only for long shots that are just a tiny bit off straight in, like if you hit it straight you might hit one of the points. You basically just line up with the tip just off center and pivot to center. Personally, I find it easier just to aim a tick off center on the ob and stroke as I normally do.

The problem is the "a tick" off center....that is not accurate enough for me. I tend to not judge the 'tick' correctly. The pivot always gets me to the right spot.
 
Sounds different than CTE, but effective. Does it work as well on straight shots with several feet between the CB and OB? Pretty handy tool if it does.

Without knowing 6packs actual answer just yet because I haven't read that far, I would say it depends on the shot and how you fall into it because if it's close and on a favorable spot on the table, or perceiving well etc etc, Im pretty sure there isn't always a pivot but most if not all straight ins more than 3-4 diamonds of length between ob/cb and a pivot as described happens and its usually because of perception breakdown.

I know I can't target shoot just about all shots without a sweep and bridge offset, pivots, shifts, eye skewing, tweaking from head to toe.
 
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