Right, you get your perception then sweep down to CCB. It's what i said. You then don't look through CCB to the OB and make an adjustment, which is what you said. From the sweep to CCB you can just shoot with no worries.
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Right, you get your perception then sweep down to CCB. It's what i said. You then don't look through CCB to the OB and make an adjustment, which is what you said. From the sweep to CCB you can just shoot with no worries.
And the perception you are looking for is objectively defined by Stan
But apparently not useful enough to use all the time. You said it yourself
This was argued years ago. Go research the end results
Been a while since I used CTE.
I don't think I used CCB to determine the pivot direction. It was more so done once the visuals were picked up while standing. My experience would tell me if an outside or inside sweep was suitable for the shot.
Now that's not to say experience is necessary, because it's not. For those less experienced, you only have two choices. Outside or Inside. If one doesn't work, the other will.
You can also use a little common sense when you're down on the shot. If it looks like you're cutting the ball right into the rail. Get up and try the other pivot/sweep. If it still looks wrong, try another perception/sweep combination.
When, for someone trying to learn the sweeps or pivots, fo you decide it's a left or right sweep/pivot? And what do you reference to make that decision?
If you aren't using 2 CCB in your method, you're not doing what Stan is doing. He specifically refers to a pre pivot/sweep CCB view, then another CCB (the solution) that you sweep/pivot toward from an offset to that first ccb.
Hey Brian, man, your trying to figure this out full blast.
My hat is off to you.Check out this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWUc1gm9gjI&list=UUW8lTFYIYGN2AjHKN23M-RQ&index=63
It's real important that you learn manual pivoting first. It's the key that will help you to move up to Pro1 and further. You have to learn to walk before you can run.
John
The only thing objectively defined with Stans system is cte an edge to whatever. Even here there's no guarantee's your doing everything to exactness , where only human, we do the best we can. On to the sweep. We have a movement to center cue ball, the actually shot line hasn't appeared yet. (No objectiveness here). Now that you finished the sweep your center cb, you should also be on the shot line. (again nothing objective)
Your start is the only thing resembles anything that can be called objective and I guarantee none of us can do that perfectly. Can you explain what the eyes are doing during the sweep?
Hey Brian, man, your trying to figure this out full blast.
Check out this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWUc1gm9gjI&list=UUW8lTFYIYGN2AjHKN23M-RQ&index=63
It's real important that you learn manual pivoting first. It's the key that will help you to move up to Pro1 and further. You have to learn to walk before you can run.
John
Thanks. I'm not diving head first to swim forever. I'm just trying to understand how the unexplainable actually works. If I can't figure it out, it really doesn't matter as long as it works for those that do figure it out. I'm not willing to dedicate weeks and months to CTE, as I think that would only indicate rote learning.
Since you agree that cte an edge to whatever is objective, how is it that you don't think a sweep to ccb is also objective?
During the sweep the eyes are on ccb.
You seem to be looking for a visual shot line to the ob from the cb. That is not how CTE works. Once you sweep to ccb, that IS the shot line. You just shoot straight down that line from your eyes to ccb. Once you have your visuals and determined which way to sweep, you can block the ob from view and still make the shot.
I'm going to try CTE again right now on my first shot and see what happens. Ive tried it in the past and can see the lines, but my stroke didn't match the line. I'll see if I can align properly now. I'll use manual form and pivot to center.
In bold above.
Good luck with that one. I don't have a clue how it works.
It just does. I'm uncomfortable with doing something I don't understand thoroughly. 
What would be nice is if Stan would do a CTE video for dummies. I'd be all over that one.
In an earlier post I stated that I knew how it worked. I shouldn't have said that. I should have said, I know how to perform the necessary steps to arrive at a shooting solution. And that's where my brain is asking WHY it works.
I have way too many decades invested in the way I see and execute a shot. But, that doesn't mean I'm not willing to learn anything that would be beneficial to my game.
So, I'm going to keep working on CTE occasionally.
Have fun Brian.
John
In bold above.
Good luck with that one. I don't have a clue how it works.
What would be nice is if Stan would do a CTE video for dummies. I'd be all over that one.
In an earlier post I stated that I knew how it worked. I shouldn't have said that. I should have said, I know how to perform the necessary steps to arrive at a shooting solution. And that's where my brain is asking WHY it works.
I have way too many decades invested in the way I see and execute a shot. But, that doesn't mean I'm not willing to learn anything that would be beneficial to my game.
So, I'm going to keep working on CTE occasionally.
Have fun Brian.
John
To me it's similar to teaching someone how to play lead guitar, particularly doing the bends. A bend is when you push or pull a string out of line with it's normal position on the neck. Like if you fretted the B string on the 15th fret and pushed it up, bending it past the G string and even the D string position. The bend increases string tension and raises the pitch of the note. So just fretting the 15th fret on the B string produces a "D" tone/pitch, and as you bend/push the string, the pitch goes higher. At first glance it's a very objective, mechanical process.
However, you don't just arbitrarily bend the string to just any pitch. Sometimes you'll bend it to what's called a 1/2 step or a full step or even a 1-1/2 step pitch increase. So you're bending this string at this 15th fret, but producing a higher pitch, the pitch you'd get if you were fretting the 16th or 17th fret.
Showing someone the mechanics is simple, but if they don't have an ear or feel for how far to bend the string, it won't sound correct. A full step bend takes the fretted note to the very next higher note, a D to an E for example. Not bending enough or bending too much will cause a flat or sharp note, which may sound horrible. So even though the basic action of the bend is objective, producing the appropriate pitch is subjective because the guitarist must use his or her own judgement to decide if it sounds right. Pitch differentiation isn't something you can just teach by example. You either hear the subtle difference in tone or you don't. If you don't, you have to program your brain to recognize the variances in pitch.
This is similar to a CTE user having to recognize a slightly thin it thick alignment. It's also similar to what every pool player does when playing shape, estimating exactly how much speed or spin or shot manipulation is needed to get the CB where it needs to go. We typically call this feel.
For all the questions you've asked have you even taken anyone's answer to the table and tried them?
Yep, a little here and there. And I appreciate all the helpful tips. I don't make enough time for my pool game, not like I used to do. I squeeze about 2 hours of practice in every week. I'm not willing to invest that entire time developing a different format of feel than what I already have. Maybe if I were a weaker player I'd jump deep into CTE table time, investing weeks, months, or even years trying to become proficient at it. But I don't need to do that, so I dabble with it when time permits.
Always have to add your little digs don't you. This kind of response is exactly why people act like they do in this forum.
PS players much better then you have jumped head first into CTE and love it.
PSS you spend two hours a week playing and 20 some hours on AZ aiming forum,lol. Maybe you need to rethink your priorities.
I said nothing about a visual shot line to ob from the cb till after the sweep. you can read right?
Please explain whats objective about sweeping.
If I'm not mistaken Stan or practioners of CTE said that you have to forget everything you've been doing and totally immerse yourself into CTE. Why can't is be a supplement to help people with certain shots? What I get from Stan is, "if you don't use my method then you're a NOSER and you will never see the the shot correctly. So all the pros who are NOSERS are getting no where. So Shane Van Boening who uses the shaft method is also a NOSER and won't see his full potential unless he adopts your method.
Selling a product is one thing but insisting that your method is the best is ridiculous. That is the reason why I feel contempt towards this subject. Like I said before, I have have both DVDs and I watch all the support videos. But its just not for me. Everybody has their own way of doing things so it'd be better if your message is, "try my method and it COULD help you."
No dig. Just stating the obvious fact that when a pool player realizes he needs to improve his game, he must invest the time needed for such improvement. I am content with my game. But if I were a weaker player in search of improvement, I'd invest the time needed to gain improvement.
People act like they do in this forum because other people, through their own insecurities and defense mechanisms, read too deeply into general comments, taking words like, "if I were a weaker player", to a personal level. Everything is looked at through the me me me perspective.... What did this guy just say about me? Why is he calling me out? B that's not how I play! Etc....
The reality of it is, what you consider a "dig" is not a dig. I am not calling anyone for any group out. My "weakness" statement in no way refers to any player using any system, or no system at all. It simply means that if I thought my skill level was weak compared to the caliber of players I run with, I'd probably invest more time into practice, or more time into learning a new method of playing. It is about my impression of myself, not your impression of me or yourself.
As far as time... the cool thing about forums is that you can take them with you, mobile, anywhere you go. Right now I'm waiting on a guy outside of AutoZone. I don't have a table or cue on me. Tonight I'll be at band practice with a guitar strapped over my shoulder. The drummer will take several smoke breaks. I may plunk a few strings or browse the forums while he's out. No cue, no table. So yes, the opportunity to hit the forums 10 minutes here, 20 minutes there, is scattered throughout little fragments of loose time. That is not an option when it comes to table time -- it is a scheduled activity, not a fleeting activity. I
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