Statement from The Legends of Pocket Billiards

realkingcobra

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I asked Ernesto if he'd be interested in learning a whole lot easier way to fix all those rail bolts 10× faster than he was doing, he looked at all the rails and said yes. So, we went for a ride to home depot and bought a box of T-nuts, and 1" popular wood dowels. Then used a 7/8" hole saw, put a 3/4' piece of plywood on the bottom of the rails, 1" hole centered around the cut off rail bolt, clamped it in place. Then used the 7/8" hole saw to drill down 3/4" and removed the plug, bolt, and T-nut in one piece. Took the 1" dowel, cut it in 1" lengths, center drilled it, mounted a new T-nut, inserted it on the plug hole we drilled out, glued it in, pin nailed it in place, then used a pull saw to cut the dowel flush to the bottom of the rail, fixed!

Ernesto smiled and took over fixing the rest of the screwed up rail bolts.

So, no, I don't have a problem with Ernesto, like I said, I like him, and wouldn't mind spending more time with him, but were BOTH getting old as hell, so we're running out of time.
 

shinobi

kanadajindayo
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SVB, Earl and Ruslan already made attempts before Jayson on the same table (and their numbers did not compare).

Have they made any comment about the tables, and/or congratulated Jayson publicly?
 

HawaiianEye

AzB Silver Member
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If you think you’re going to get a straightforward answer on that simple question, you haven’t been keeping up with this thread for the last 4 days since it started.

I know how he operates.

Double talk.

I have worked with plenty of people like him.

We had a fuel spill here that has, so far, cost over $250M and the costs are rapidly rising.

Fuel leaked into the main aquifer supplying drinking water to the military housing areas surrounding Pearl Harbor.

You can't count the number of Admirals, civilian military Secretaries, and their PAOs tap dancing and speaking double talk.

FWIW, I know the whistleblower and everybody involved in the whole scenario.



The Navy initially denied reports of the leak, saying the water was safe to drink. Shortly after, military families and residents began reporting a strong smell of fuel in their water. More than 5,000 people reported illnesses, and many families reported that pets had fallen ill or died. Later tests showed contamination that was 350 times above safe drinking levels. The Navy later confirmed the leak, temporarily closed the facility and relocated affected service members to temporary housing — but not civilians affected.
 
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ChrisinNC

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If this detail is available on AZB, why not post a link which should end pushback

i'm trying to be part of the solution , not part of the problem

i searched for a while to no avail, i'll now solicit the info i seek from the members at large

Also, does anyone have any idea how attempts JS made before he landed this monster?
There are no details because they haven’t been released. Early on there was one photo of a corner pocket with a caliper up to what was an attempt to sell to us to be the mouth of the pocket, reading 4.95 inches. That could not be confirmed as an accurate mouth measurement to those of us wise enough to realize it, due to the angle the photo was taken from.

I believe after the record run, an overhead screenshot of a corner pocket with two balls sitting inside the mouth was released I believe by Jayson, I’m sure very much against the wishes of the organizers. Based on that photo it’s quite obvious the pocket mouth is closer to 5-1/4 inches than to 5 inches. Otherwise, it’s being kept a tightly held secret.

As to the number of attempts for Jayson, I’m guessing a few hundred over the 5 to 6 days, but a majority of those were less than 50 ball runs. He did have numerous runs over 200, a few runs over 300 including one close to 400, which he accomplished in the early portions of his last marathon session.
 
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Shuddy

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I know how he operates.

Double talk.

I have worked with plenty of people like him.

We had a fuel spill here that has, so far, cost over $250M and the costs are rapidly rising.

Fuel leaked into the main aquifer supplying drinking water to the military housing areas surrounding Pearl Harbor.

You can't count the number of Admirals, civilian military Secretaries, and their PAOs tap dancing and speaking double talk.

FWIW, I know the whistleblower and everybody involved in the whole scenario.

Man, just like with Hu’s nuclear plant, the best part of AZB is when you get a glimpse into the wild world of some members’ non-pool related lives.
 

realkingcobra

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Wouldn't you, if you got paid
So, if I was invited to run balls on a table that was eligible for a world record, and I thought I had a chance of doing it, one of my first questions would be, “Before I spend the next x number of days/weeks bent over this table, can you guarantee me that this table meets the standards the BCA uses when they verify the run?”

I don’t know Jayson. Am I wrong to assume he would make similar enquiries?

EDIT: Because pretty much all the people accusing Legends of shenanigans have at some point qualified their statements with something like, “It’s not Jayson’s fault. He deserves better.”

It seems to me that Jayson knows those pockets just about better than anyone. It also seems to me that he’s pretty happy to claim the new word record.
Is that the end of your story or are you fixing to tell us there was an easier way to do it? And of course you are saying there has never been anything over the years regarding pool tables you have ever learned from Ernesto, only stuff he has learned from you.

We have a few customers that remind me of you and visa versa – they never get tired of hearing themselves talking as an expert on every subject. If you try to get roped in to any kind of debate with them, you simply cannot win.
Actually no, I haven't learned anything from Ernesto over the years, no need to, but if it would make you happy, I guess I could learn to be nice to people like Ernesto is, and is know for, but then again, I don't care to be nice to assh&%#s there's a ton of nice people out there wanting my services as it is, so nice.....naaaa, I don't think so😅
 

realkingcobra

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SVB, Earl and Ruslan already made attempts before Jayson on the same table (and their numbers did not compare).

Have they made any comment about the tables, and/or congratulated Jayson publicly?
Ruslan hardly played, posted 2 266 high runs and had to go. SvB don't hardly ever play 14.1. For what its worth, the difference between Jayson running racks, and Ruslan, could only be described as Ruslan runs the racks so smooth its almost like sleepwalking. Do you think he's given it 100% effort yet? What did he play, 1 day, maybe 2?
 

shinobi

kanadajindayo
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Ruslan hardly played, posted 2 266 high runs and had to go. SvB don't hardly ever play 14.1. For what its worth, the difference between Jayson running racks, and Ruslan, could only be described as Ruslan runs the racks so smooth its almost like sleepwalking. Do you think he's given it 100% effort yet? What did he play, 1 day, maybe 2?
SvB "don't hardly ever play 14.1" --> And Jayson does?

My question about whether SVB, Earl or Ruslan has commented on either the table or Jayson's record still stands.
 

realkingcobra

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Wasn't everyone expecting
SVB, Earl and Ruslan already made attempts before Jayson on the same table (and their numbers did not compare).

Have they made any comment about the tables, and/or congratulated Jayson publicly?
Earl to run 700-800+ because he's ran 408 and 480 before, right! What Earl and SVB, and Jayson to begin with, if you approach 14.1 playing your 9B game, don't expect to get very far! Jayson changed his approach 100% from playing 14.1 from a 9B players point of view, to that of a 14.1 player, and when he did that, guess what happened.....714!

I'll tell you something else as well, Jayson Shaw will never enter another 14.1 event starting out playing like he started out playing in this high run event, if anything, he'll start out where he left off, you can take that to the bank!!
 

shinobi

kanadajindayo
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Wasn't everyone expecting
Earl to run 700-800+ because he's ran 408 and 480 before, right! What Earl and SVB, and Jayson to begin with, if you approach 14.1 playing your 9B game, don't expect to get very far! Jayson changed his approach 100% from playing 14.1 from a 9B players point of view, to that of a 14.1 player, and when he did that, guess what happened.....714!

I'll tell you something else as well, Jayson Shaw will never enter another 14.1 event starting out playing like he started out playing in this high run event, if anything, he'll start out where he left off, you can take that to the bank!!
Has nothing to do with what I wrote, but, okay?
 

JazzyJeff87

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If Shaw didn’t play another rack of 14.1 for a few years then started this high run thing again he’d probably start out the same way he did this time. Then as he got back into it he’d get in 14.1 stroke again.

I know the knowledge doesn’t totally go away but it will move to cold storage when not in use. That’s with anything.

I believe the pearl, for what it’s worth. Rock on
 

realkingcobra

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Has nothing to do with what I wrote, but, okay?

Has everything to do with what you wrote, huge pockets or not, you still need to have an idea about how to play 14.1 to string racks together, the POCKETS won't do that for you! Had Ruslan stuck around for a week, you might NOT be talking about Jason Shaw running 714 today!!! Think about THAT!!

In fact, if Ruslan broke the record chances are you wouldn't have even seen Jayson Shaw play at all!
 

realkingcobra

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If Shaw didn’t play another rack of 14.1 for a few years then started this high run thing again he’d probably start out the same way he did this time. Then as he got back into it he’d get in 14.1 stroke again.

I know the knowledge doesn’t totally go away but it will move to cold storage when not in use. That’s with anything.

I believe the pearl, for what it’s worth. Rock on
With age, yes, your eyes can go bad, yes your back can hurt, yes you might need to go to bed earlier, yes you might even be on medication, yes you might not even hold your cue the way you use to, might even have a shake stroke to, BUT what you never forget, is HOW to play the game!!
 

ribdoner

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Has everything to do with what you wrote, huge pockets or not, you still need to have an idea about how to play 14.1 to string racks together, the POCKETS won't do that for you! Had Ruslan stuck around for a week, you might NOT be talking about Jason Shaw running 714 today!!! Think about THAT!!

In fact, if Ruslan broke the record chances are you wouldn't have even seen Jayson Shaw play at all!

How hard would it be to sell a record breaking run if accomplished in kommie kountry
 

ChrisinNC

AzB Silver Member
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Has everything to do with what you wrote, huge pockets or not, you still need to have an idea about how to play 14.1 to string racks together, the POCKETS won't do that for you! Had Ruslan stuck around for a week, you might NOT be talking about Jason Shaw running 714 today!!! Think about THAT!!

In fact, if Ruslan broke the record chances are you wouldn't have even seen Jayson Shaw play at all!
So is it true that this contest has apparently been put completely on hold, at least until they can figure out what to do about this pocket size public relations issue?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the table has already been broken down and the rails/cushions/facings redone or removed, to get rid of any remaining potential evidence. It’s a good thing for them that I am not on the BCA record accreditation committee.
 

ribdoner

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Man, just like with Hu’s nuclear plant, the best part of AZB is when you get a glimpse into the wild world of some members’ non-pool related lives.

There are stone heavyweights that visit here and a lot can be gleaned, if your so inclined
 

realkingcobra

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So is it true that this contest has apparently been put completely on hold, at least until they can figure out what to do about this pocket size public relations issue?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the table has already been broken down and the rails/cushions/facings redone or removed, to get rid of any remaining potential evidence. It’s a good thing for them that I am not on the BCA record accreditation committee.
For right now I guess its on hold because the players that want to play in it are all at DCC. So, we'll have e to wait and see if Bobby wants to put up another grand prize to another record breaker or not, John Schmidt's record is broken now, so we'll see if there's really anymore reason to push the record even higher! That might turn out to be a little to rich for Bobby’s blood. I can definitely see the record being broken at least 2 or 3 more times in the next few months, if the incentive is there, and don't get reduced to being not worthwhile.
 

ribdoner

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There are no details because they haven’t been released. Early on there was one photo of a corner pocket with a caliper up to what was an attempt to sell to us to be the mouth of the pocket, reading 4.95 inches. That could not be confirmed as an accurate mouth measurement to those of us wise enough to realize it, due to the angle the photo was taken from.

I believe after the record run, an overhead screenshot of a corner pocket with two balls sitting inside the mouth was released I believe by Jayson, I’m sure very much against the wishes of the organizers. Based on that photo it’s quite obvious the pocket mouth is closer to 5-1/4 inches than to 5 inches. Otherwise, it’s being kept a tightly held secret.

As to the number of attempts for Jayson, I’m guessing a few hundred over the 5 to 6 days, but a majority of those were less than 50 ball runs. He did have numerous runs over 200, a few runs over 300 including one close to 400, which he accomplished in the early portions of his last marathon session.

TKS for the info

Lou made to Lt Col or Col as a public mouthpiece during his distinguished career in the Air Force, i'd skip the ranks and promote you to a General of some kind

That's the gist of what i thought i read somewhere, was looking for confirmation, none of what you posted dimenishes Jason's accomplishment in any way

When focused on pool, which from all appearances JS is, he'll once again be one of the top three players in the world
 

ChrisinNC

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TKS for the info

Lou made to Lt Col or Col as a public mouthpiece during his distinguished career in the Air Force, i'd skip the ranks and promote you to a General of some kind

That's the gist of what i thought i read somewhere, was looking for confirmation, none of what you posted dimenishes Jason's accomplishment in any way

When focused on pool, which from all appearances JS is, he'll once again be one of the top three players in the world
Yes, he is without question one of the top 5 rotation players in the world. As for ranking those top 5, I’m going to pass on that. It’s certainly not as clear cut as it would be for golf or tennis.
 
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