Stevie Moore parallel shots CTE video

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Dan White said:
I'm not stirring any pot. You and Dave keep saying that CTE wouldn't work if he swooped (actually Dave is on both sides of the fence on that point - it seems to be OK for him to swoop). I'm suggesting that you hide in the laundry basket long enough to escape the compound so that you can take a fresh look at things. Is it not possible that swooping and/or some amount of stroke correction is making these shots go in, and not the CTE alignment alone? Is is possible that these corrections are necessary only on some shots and not others?

Again, it sure seems like you guys (except maybe tony) are so defensive that you are incapable of looking at CTE dispassionately and just maybe improving your knowledge of what is actually happening. Even magic, as tony puts it, has a rather mundane explanation when you draw back the curtain.

I'm not saying CTE is all garbage BS. I'm saying there are curious stroke problems here and there, and what does that tell us, if anything, about how CTE works. Maybe the answer is that you can swoop all over the place like Dave, but if your initial alignment and sweep is "CTE correct" than that's all that matters. That's one possible follow up question that could be asked.

The problem is, nobody cares to ponder the significance of new findings like this.

It's kind of how the scientific method helps us learn new things.
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My understanding is that there are adjustments/issues, but they can be fixed - like any other aiming method.

Asking my friend if he will answer questions.

Give me some questions, I'm sure he will answer a few.
Thanks
Jason

Edit: he said he would try. So ask away.

PS. I'll be traveling to Michigan tomorrow and probably Florida the next day
 
Started a seperate thread for questions. This shall remain for arguing and name calling:thumbup:
Thanks
Jason
 
jasonlaus said:
My understanding is that there are adjustments/issues, but they can be fixed - like any other aiming method.

Asking my friend if he will answer questions.

Give me some questions, I'm sure he will answer a few.
Thanks
Jason

Edit: he said he would try. So ask away.

PS. I'll be traveling to Michigan tomorrow and probably Florida the next day
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I've asked my questions in the other thread. Looking forward to hear a different perspective on the system, instead of the usual flame-fest that this forum has become.
 
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tonythetiger583 said:
Wow this was a really good one you guys! Looking forward to the next thread.

God I love these so much. So exciting!

Man, if Spidey was actually against CTE, how crazy would that be? Talk about undercover.
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If I was against CTE I would stay completely out of it the same way I stay out of the other threads where I have no interest as well as NPR forum.

Seems like certain other non users with zero interest to learn it don't share the same philosophy.

As far as my involvement in these threads, I could care less whether any of the malcontents ever learn to use CTE because I know they really don't want to. Their prime mission has been the same for the last 20 years.

I don't have much interest in defending CTE or other methods I know and have used prior to it. CTE isn't the issue nor MY mission in life to carry on. If there's a hack player out there who's happy with what he's doing, screw 'em. Let them stay a hack player. That goes for a decent player also who has no desire to learn new things.
SCREW 'EM!

What I do go ballistic over is having them disparage Hal Houle who I truly loved and cared about as well as Stan. Both of them have been absolutely super human beings as friends as well as hard dedicated workers to put all the time and hard effort into making this available to all pool players in the world.

It's a discovery Hal made many decades ago and had a desire to pass it on before he died. Well, he did pass away and Stan took the challenge to continue the mission. Oh and this stuff really does work when you learn all of the ins and outs.
YES IT DOES!

So what does Hal and Stan get? The likes of RSB and this place with the know it all dregs who live for discord.

Hal and Stan haven't been the only ones to go through hell. CJ Wiley took more than he could handle, Gene Albrecht has gotten torn to shreds, John Brumback was starting to get picked apart until a video was produced showing he was 100% correct,
Freddy the Beard was wasted on another forum, and the list goes on and on.

Most of which was started by the same three or four people over the course of many years. They still exist. Then you have those who love piling on to be recognized and get their own status among the dregs.

I'm always going to have the back of my dearest and best friends whether here on this forum or outside the forum. And I know my best friends would do the same for me.

I hope your friends would do it for you and you do it for them.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
If I was against CTE I would stay completely out of it the same way I stay out of the other threads where I have no interest as well as NPR forum.

Seems like certain other non users with zero interest to learn it don't share the same philosophy.

As far as my involvement in these threads, I could care less whether any of the malcontents ever learn to use CTE because I know they really don't want to. Their prime mission has been the same for the last 20 years.

I don't have much interest in defending CTE or other methods I know and have used prior to it. CTE isn't the issue nor MY mission in life to carry on. If there's a hack player out there who's happy with what he's doing, screw 'em. Let them stay a hack player. That goes for a decent player also who has no desire to learn new things.
SCREW 'EM!

What I do go ballistic over is having them disparage Hal Houle who I truly loved and cared about as well as Stan. Both of them have been absolutely super human beings as friends as well as hard dedicated workers to put all the time and hard effort into making this available to all pool players in the world.

It's a discovery Hal made many decades ago and had a desire to pass it on before he died. Well, he did pass away and Stan took the challenge to continue the mission. Oh and this stuff really does work when you learn all of the ins and outs.
YES IT DOES!

So what does Hal and Stan get? The likes of RSB and this place with the know it all dregs who live for discord.

Hal and Stan haven't been the only ones to go through hell. CJ Wiley took more than he could handle, Gene Albrecht has gotten torn to shreds, John Brumback was starting to get picked apart until a video was produced showing he was 100% correct,
Freddy the Beard was wasted on another forum, and the list goes on and on.

Most of which was started by the same three or four people over the course of many years. They still exist. Then you have those who love piling on to be recognized and get their own status among the dregs.

I'm always going to have the back of my dearest and best friends whether here on this forum or outside the forum. And I know my best friends would do the same for me.

I hope your friends would do it for you and you do it for them.
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Very good post. Sums things up nicely
 
SpiderWebComm said:
What I do go ballistic over is having them disparage Hal Houle who I truly loved and cared about as well as Stan. Both of them have been absolutely super human beings as friends as well as hard dedicated workers to put all the time and hard effort into making this available to all pool players in the world.
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This is a nice, heartfelt post and I have nothing but praise for you supporting your friends. However (you knew that was coming), this also illustrates why you are the most venomous poster in many of these threads. It also illustrates why you are not an easy person to have a logical debate with. You have lost your objectivity; no lawyer in the world would put you on a jury in the case of The People vs. CTE.

I know this post wasn't directed at me because I have an interest in CTE and what is really going on with it. Also, I generally don't disparage individuals unless occasionally when I'm trying to get a rational response. I found Hal to be a terrific guy and enjoyed my time talking to him. That does not make him a god and infallible. Maybe he's 100% right and we're all just catching up, maybe he's 50% right and maybe he's 0% right. That doesn't make him a bad person -- he was human just like the rest of us.
 
Dan White said:
This is a nice, heartfelt post and I have nothing but praise for you supporting your friends. However (you knew that was coming), this also illustrates why you are the most venomous poster in many of these threads. It also illustrates why you are not an easy person to have a logical debate with. You have lost your objectivity; no lawyer in the world would put you on a jury in the case of The People vs. CTE.

I know this post wasn't directed at me because I have an interest in CTE and what is really going on with it. Also, I generally don't disparage individuals unless occasionally when I'm trying to get a rational response. I found Hal to be a terrific guy and enjoyed my time talking to him. That does not make him a god and infallible. Maybe he's 100% right and we're all just catching up, maybe he's 50% right and maybe he's 0% right. That doesn't make him a bad person -- he was human just like the rest of us.
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If you have a REAL INTEREST, why haven't you totally fully learned CTE yet?
 
Dan White said:
you are the most venomous poster in many of these threads.

The honor for the most venomous poster goes to LOU FIGUEROA, hands down. He's done it for close to 20 years. Anybody who wastes that many hours over that many years is not only venomous but also a sick, sick individual. Unbelievable that he was a Lt. Colonel and spokesman for the Air Force now carrying on the way he does on pool forums.

You're doing a good job of following him in his footsteps.

I know this post wasn't directed at me because I have an interest in CTE and what is really going on with it

The post also applies to you. In the beginning I really did think you had an interest in it but it became evident the only reason for the interest was to look for what you perceived as flaws and misinformation. I have to admit you got me, I was duped but not any longer. Your true colors and motivations have been clearly illustrated time and again. Hell, they're illustrated in the ongoing and constant posts. I thought you were leaving? NO? Still a CTE irritant?

No lawyer in the world would put you on a jury in the case of The People vs. CTE.
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They certainly wouldn't put you and Lou on the jury with your negative bias.

But there is no case or trial against CTE. And if one was to be filed it should be CTE vs. The CTE Psycho Flesh Eating Zombies.
 
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Arete said:
Why hasn't Stan?
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I figured out CTE 6.5 years ago and I learned of its connection to a 2x1 surface 3/4 years ago.
Was I perfect from day 1 in trying to understand what Hal took 10 years to grasp? No!
What I have done is devote a decade of my life in trying to peel back every single layer of a very special system for evetyone's benefit for thoroughly understanding CTE and for its application.
I am satisfied that I am hovering at about 100% of what I want to leave behind as a body of work that clearly will show the genius of Hal Houle.
I do not care any longer in any kind of way if there are those that think I don't know real CTE.
To my knowledge over the past 8 years not one person described as a serious naysayer has ever decided to visit me.
And that will not change even when I embark upon a lengthy project of free clinics for all.

Stan Shuffett
 
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stan shuffett said:
I figured out CTE 6.5 years ago and I learned of its connection to a 2x1 surface 3/4 years ago.
Was I perfect from day 1 in trying to understand what Hal took 10 years to grasp? No!
What I have done is devote a decade of my life in trying to peel back every single layer of a very special system for evetyone's benefit for thoroughly understanding CTE and for its application.
I am satisfied that I am hovering at about 100% of what I want to leave behind as a body of work that clearly will show the genius of Hal Houle.
I do not care any longer in any kind of way if there are those that think I don't know real CTE.
To my knowledge over the past 8 years not one person described as a serious naysayer has ever decided to visit me.
And that will not change even when I embark upon a lengthy project of free clinics for all.

Stan Shuffett
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I could have sworn I read a post recently where you said you have new understandings on how cte works, as in you are still learning new things about it every year. My bad, if you know it all now then forgive me. When you can teach it in a way that is understandable to me then I'll be interested. What you taught John, or what he learned wasn't so impressive. What I see you post doesnt do it for me either.
 
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stan shuffett said:
Yes, as much as any player has the visual capability to fully visually overlap a cue ball with an object ball.
This is not CTE but something we can each be on the same page with.
Using various head positions I can convey to non players such as my wife how to perceive the CB as fully overlapping an OB. I can do this with her based on two object aspects of spheres: centers and edges.
I will give you Hal's response to your question.....Normally aspired vision should never be an issue......but he would not rule out diagnosed visual issues that are problematic in everyday functioning.

Stan Shuffett
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Obviously, that is false.

If a player stands in a different position they will have a different view of the CB and OB -- spheres -- several feet away. That is not something that can be argued.

AND, that is one of the major, massive, huge problems with your system.

You describe what *you* see. And I have no doubt that you actually describe what *you* see and what works for *you.* BUT that does not mean it will work for anyone else and that is the reason so many people, after so much effort, cannot get your system to work.

Lou Figueroa
 
Dan White said:
This is a nice, heartfelt post and I have nothing but praise for you supporting your friends. However (you knew that was coming), this also illustrates why you are the most venomous poster in many of these threads. It also illustrates why you are not an easy person to have a logical debate with. You have lost your objectivity; no lawyer in the world would put you on a jury in the case of The People vs. CTE.

I know this post wasn't directed at me because I have an interest in CTE and what is really going on with it. Also, I generally don't disparage individuals unless occasionally when I'm trying to get a rational response. I found Hal to be a terrific guy and enjoyed my time talking to him. That does not make him a god and infallible. Maybe he's 100% right and we're all just catching up, maybe he's 50% right and maybe he's 0% right. That doesn't make him a bad person -- he was human just like the rest of us.
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I have had Spider on Ignore for a couple of years now. He knows this.

And yet, if I take a peek, he personally attacks me over and over and over, just in this thread.

A long time ago I was advised by a mod to not to engage him. That they would take care of it. That if I Ignored the attacks, the administration here would handle things. And yet... he gets away with the vilest character assassination of myself and others over and over.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
Obviously, that is false.

If a player stands in a different position they will have a different view of the CB and OB -- spheres -- several feet away. That is not something that can be argued.

AND, that is one of the major, massive, huge problems with your system.

You describe what *you* see. And I have no doubt that you actually describe what *you* see and what works for *you.* BUT that does not mean it will work for anyone else and that is the reason so many people, after so much effort, cannot get your system to work.

Lou Figueroa
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If I asked you and another player to line up the center of the CB with the center of the OB, I bet you'd both be able to do it with ease. Now maybe how you are both standing behind the balls will be a little different (perception), but how you see the balls aligned (visuals) will be the same. In other words, the visuals are always constant, but the perceptions are based on the individual.

As for your last statement. I guess guys like myself, Neil, Landon, Stevie, CookieMan, Dave, Phil Buford, Matt Krah, and many others have eyes just like Stan. Or maybe...just maybe, we aren't lazy.

It doesn't matter if it's ghostball, HAMB, CP2CP, or CTE. They all take work and dedication.
 
lfigueroa said:
And yet... he gets away with the vilest character assassination of myself and others over and over.

Lou Figueroa
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Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly. You have been on the attack with character assassinations for 20 consecutive years on three separate pool forums, not banned from RSB because there was no monitoring, but permanently banned from onepocket.org, occasionally banned from here for character assassination, and you're whining about getting the same treatment back?

It's called a tit for a tat. Paybacks are a b*tch. Right Lou? You cut the crap first and then it all ends with everyone. (or by Wilson for all of us)

I could start a list of names of those you've vilified from onepocket and here that would take up multiple paragraphs. Researching RSB would be too laborious but I'm sure there was plenty on that one especially with no monitoring.

The day you left the military with rank and took the uniform off to become Joe Average Citizen, cow towing, saluting and sucking up to you is a thing of your glorious past.

Start being a decent respectful human being yourself first, and it all ends. My thoughts say it's never going to happen.

This is one post you should take a "peek" at (like you never do on all the others) to get the message.
 
BeiberLvr said:
If I asked you and another player to line up the center of the CB with the center of the OB, I bet you'd both be able to do it with ease. Now maybe how you are both standing behind the balls will be a little different (perception), but how you see the balls aligned (visuals) will be the same. In other words, the visuals are always constant, but the perceptions are based on the individual.

As for your last statement. I guess guys like myself, Neil, Landon, Stevie, CookieMan, Dave, Phil Buford, Matt Krah, and many others have eyes just like Stan. Or maybe...just maybe, we aren't lazy.

It doesn't matter if it's ghostball, HAMB, CP2CP, or CTE. They all take work and dedication.
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Or maybe there is another reason, because the best and brightest amongst us have already shown, over and over, that the system cannot work as described. (My point about different eye placement was just another log on the pyre.) I don't recall who said it but here's a possible explanation for you: Maybe the system (CTE) works best for those players not hampered by the constraints of reality.

And if that doesn't float your boat, here you go: http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#benefits

Lou Figueroa
 
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