Stroke training devices . Help please

nympfisher

nympfisher

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i need some opinions about stroke training aids, preferably that can be used anywhere.
if you have used one please tell me if your results were good or bad. and which one's you have used.

thanks .
no stroke carl:smile:
 
Joe Tucker's Third Eye Stroke Trainer can be carried in a cue case and used just about anywhere, providing no one objects to its use. I wouldn't want to try using it in a match or tournament, but I've had pretty good results with it practicing.
 
Yes, the Third Eye is probably what you want. You actually get two of them, and a DVD (about 30 minutes I think? maybe longer) which is a pretty good lesson on why and how to use it.
 
Get the Laser Stroke

Laserstroke.com

I have both and the Laser Stroke will help you more with showing flaws in your stroke.

The Third Eye helps to hit the center of the CB.

Before buying anything take the 3 day lessons that are offered by the BCA instructors.

Look on the BCA website for a list of instructors in your area and ask about taking the lessons.

It will be money well spent.
 
There is one on every table! It's the spot. Stroke over it while watching your cue for straightness, follow thru until your tip touches the table.
Amazingly simple yet effective.
Mark
 
Get an empty beer bottle and dry it out. Lay it on the table and stroke the cue in and out of the bottle without touching the bottle.
 
Joe Tucker's 3rd Eye Trainer is good, but works even better with the larger carom balls or a big bar table cue ball. I find that there is still too much space when used with pool balls.

Also, I've found that the cue-mounted laser from www.laserstroke.com provides useful feedback, especially when used away from the table and projected at a target at a larger-than-a-table distance from you to amplify the movement (I use a paper reinforcement target at ~18').With the laser, it's easy to see lateral cue movement, although tracking down the source of it can be a tricky biomechanical problem. I learned alot about my stroke by moving through the motion *extremely* slowly and seeing what caused the laser to move in various ways (especially sideways.) That let me distinguish 'static' vs 'dynamic' errors in my stroke and address them separately.

Robert
 
OK,,maybe my best investment would be to see an instructor. i can see my stroke is off maybe 50 % of the time, but i cant seem to find why im doing it. i cant see my elbow and im know my stance changes sometime's because of my hip . and on a hard stroke i always swing out away from my side.
most of this started after my hip problems about 6 years ago but i think i should be able to correct it with some sort of assistance.

i am not really to bad out of shape , 5'6" 155 lbs 49 yrs old but i have alot of muscle aches and hip and leg problems.

i know to much info.
thanks , carl
 
Carl,

What a good instructor will do is see what you are doing wrong and then give or develop a practice drill(s) that will address your particular problem(s). Only through reprogramming yourself through drills will it change. The various devices all have some use, but you don't get feedback and the necessary identification of your problem(s).
 
Working with a good instructor can be useful, but you can accomplish much on your own (and should even if you do work with one.)

nympfisher said:
i cant see my elbow and im know my stance changes sometime's because of my hip .
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The counter in one of my bathrooms is close enough to table height to be useful for stroke training in front of the mirror. I take my shirt off to make sure I can see how the stick relates to my upper arm clearly without a sleeve getting in the way.

I aim the stick directly at itself in the mirror, taking care to find the stance and head position that allows the real stick and its mirror image to form a perfectly straight line. I can see where it is in relation to my eyes when it's lined up properly, and can also see if my upper arm is in line with the stick as well.

When I do this, it's very obvious if I don't stroke straight because it will cause an angle to form at the tip near the mirror since the sticks will move symmetrically to the side together. Doing this at various speeds gives lots of immediate visual feedback to fill in my mental model of what's happening during an otherwise difficult to see action.

and on a hard stroke i always swing out away from my side.
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This may be caused by tucking your elbow in too much towards your body. It can create an angle between your upper arm and the line of the stick that moves your hand (and therefore the stick) to the outside when your bicep contracts. That can cause the tip to swipe to the left (for a RH player) and cause unwanted spin and deflection. You may have a complicated wrist movement that compensates for this at lower speeds but that doesn't work as well when the contraction away from the stick line passes a certain velocity.

Things are much simpler if you can use the mirror trick above to get the upper arm in line with the stick. The elbow joint only allows the forearm to swing in a single plane. By finding that plane in the mirror and aligning it with the movement of the cue, you can learn what it feels like to be in the ideal position.

Robert
 
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pool101 said:
There is one on every table! It's the spot. Stroke over it while watching your cue for straightness, follow thru until your tip touches the table.
Amazingly simple yet effective.
Mark
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This works well. Johnnyt
 
you can hit the ball at various speeds into the far rail and see if you can bring it straight back. another good exercise is practicing long draw shots. this forces you to hit the ball hard and low. accuracy is paramount or you will miss the shot. i don't see any need for a store-bought gizmo.
 
Doug Carter's Stroke Trainer is the best that I have used. If he still sells them. I think this is his number 434 401 3212. Best money I ever spent.
 
Bottle DRILL......
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Here's the thing...

It's not about if your stroke is going straight or not, or if you can draw a ball around the table..

If you are needing help with a stroke, or developing a stroke, you'll need to go to an instructor that will help you understand the different parts of the stroke. Once you have this understanding, you'll be able to develop you own stroke.

If you have a different "stroke" for different shots.. that's bad. Your stroke should be very consistent across the majority of your shots. (Jacked up / Jump shots aside. These should also be consistent but for those specialties)

There aren't any gadgets that will do this. Stroking through a bottle does not tell you if you're tightening your grip on your cue on your final stroke. Stroking over a spot on a table does not tell you jerk your stroke and stand up on a shot.

Do your self a favor. Talk to a certified instructor. If you're needing to get references, PM RandyG or Pooltchr. They will turn you on to some of the best.

Hope this helps.
 
I might suggest practicing the Mother Drills if you want to develop an accurate and repeatable stroke.
 
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