Sugartree Sneaky Pete For Sale

I haven't wanted to shoot a rack of balls in well over a month, yet I don't want to part with my sneaky from Eric. It was for sale briefly yesterday, until I realized I just did not want to smacking my head in a month wondering why I sold it.

I'm not a dealer, but I buy and sell about 10-30 cues a year. I like to try out cues, rarely do I get one that I want to keep. Have had two in the last year that I wanted to keep long term, sold one of them yesterday. I brought mine from Eric, which isn't possible anymore as he quit taking orders.

Great thing about buying cue's, if you can't afford one makers cues there is always another that you can. Sorry you don't care for sugartrees there rackforcash, good thing for you is there are about 1000 other makers to choose from to meet your cue buying needs.
 
I_Luv_This_Game said:
Does being a highly regarded cuemaker means that his cues play better than an unknown cuemaker? Which means his cues MUST be sold for a higher price?

Eric wasn't the one who set the prices in the 2nd hand market. It's what people are willing to pay for. Why are some guys whining when they see a Sugartree SP selling for 1000USD? It takes 2 hands to clap, the seller didn't rip the buyer off. The buyer had a choice not to buy the cue, but he did.

Anyway, whatever that's happening here, explains why Eric doesn't want to have anything to do with this forum.
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Bingo. It's embarassing. Truly. Eric sells his cue at BEYOND reasonable prices. What people are willing to pay...that's common supply and demand. However...for all I hear about how great these play...there are certainly a lot of people selling them after making such a remark about their playability. People are cashing in. I don't suppose anyone can fault them for that.

Hearing everyone *****, moan, gripe and complain about what ANY cue goes for...much less a Sugartree....however, is assinine. Honestly.

Eric's a decent guy. I'm glad he has enough orders to keep him busy for a long time. I have no doubt, with the kind of guy Eric is, that he's happy doing business with whomever is in line. Eric likes to make cues...and only for nice people. I guarantee you...you piss in Eric's Cheerios...he won't be doing business with you...regardless of the $$$. He has plenty of people he likes to work with, where he can be selective with his clientele.

I'm willing to pay a premium for Eric's cues for the sheer fact that I don't feel like waiting 4-5 years for one to show up at my door. There's a price you pay for skipping the line. Either you pony up...or shut up.

All the whining and complaining around here regarding Sugartree's....is a direct result of people not doing either.
 
What I have to say is NOT a negative reflection on Eric or his cues, but if their that good why do people who have them sell them?
Is it because if you order a cue from Eric you can almost double your money on the seconadary market?
Or if you buy on the secondary market you can mark it up a few hundred and make a quick buck? Think about it.........
It is like ordering two new SW's and selling one for such a profit that the one you keep is almost free.........
 
That does seem to be it...but there have only been 10-15 cues out of all that he has made on this forum. Some have been sold for crisis, some for profit, because they are hot right now. I guess everyone's motivations are different. From what I have gathered from both forums, is that some of the people selling now that haven't stated money crisis, have multiple Sugartree's or are on the list for another. I know that I ordered mine just over a year ago, and have been told that I'm on the short list. Even in crisis, I will sell my Pred., Falcon and Widowmaker in that order before I let the Sugar or Varney go.
 
the ONLY reason I sold mine was due to a financial crunch! I dont flip cues and I would still have my sugartree , but I really had to have the cash.

Erics cues are the real deal, he makes one mean hitting cue.:) :)

Like I said also you wont find a better guy to deal with ( not putting down any other makers, because there are alot of great people on this and other boards) but Eric is very big hearted, and trully likes dealing with people of like character.......

MAKE HIM MAD AND YOU GET NOTHING :D :D :D :D :D


GET YOURSELF A SUGARTREE AND SEE WHAT I MEAN ;) :) :)
 
Panhdlce said:
What I have to say is NOT a negative reflection on Eric or his cues, but if their that good why do people who have them sell them?
Is it because if you order a cue from Eric you can almost double your money on the seconadary market?
Or if you buy on the secondary market you can mark it up a few hundred and make a quick buck? Think about it.........
It is like ordering two new SW's and selling one for such a profit that the one you keep is almost free.........
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Good point... but did you think about why people buy the Sugartree cues at the price they are going for now? Southwest sell for so much more in the secondary market because these are great playing cues. All great playing cues command top dollars on the secondary market. Would you say Sugartree cues are the exception? Do you think they sell even if they are not great playing cues? People are generally not stupid and will not spend cash on something that is not worth it.

You can ask the same question about Southwest too... if Southwests are so good why are so many of them sold on the secondary market? The answer is because they are great playing cues and people who can afford to buy them do without having to wait a few years.

Bottomline, Sugartrees are great playing cues and people who can afford them buy them because they know that and they don't have to wait for one to be made for them... especially now that Eric is temporarily not accepting orders.
 
Rackforcash said:
Scotty Brown (aka Brickman)You are a piece of work,you got to be a want to be Cue Maker,i would bet money you are a New Be Cue Maker,after all the ass kissing you have done,i sure don't think anybody will buy anything you build,and after saying that there is only one cue maker as far as you see it,and all the rest are second rate,i don't think you have a very bright future in Cue making,plus who the hell do you think you are saying that if you get Eric MAD you won't get anything,are you his B****,or... " I am just his buddy trying to suck up".also i have never said anything about Eric,i don't even know him so why should i say anything about him,i don't know anything about him,all i am saying is all cue maker do the best they can,as you should know as a new cue maker,if you need a HERO that's fine,but leave the BS out of it we are not stupid,if you read most of the post of the sugar tree owners you can only tell there Beginners in the game,like one said, wow you can do anything with them...LOOK IF YOU WANT TO BUY A 50.00 BLANK FOR 1000.00,THATS YOUR BUSINESS,O but you sold yours, so you should talk,about how great they are,Next time just say they are great hitting cues IMOP,but i needed the money more then the great hitting cue.

Your Quote...
(Like I said also you wont find a better guy to deal with) so all the rest are bad.
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APPARENTLY YOU NEED READING LESSONS....I NEVER SAID THERE IS ONLY ONE CUEMAKER I simply stated my honest opinion of Eric and his cues......I Think there are several highend cuemakers in this world , some who make awesome cues......But for me I choose sugartree....simple as that. As for only beginners liking Erics cues.....I will put my skill against yours any day my friend, and we can see just how much of a beginner I really am. I have shot with most of the high end cues on the market if not all of them, so I speak with a little knowledge and not just my guess.

You may not know Eric but you obviously have some sort of problem with him and his cues......I think its simply , you cant afford a nice cue and it makes you mad.....Eric is reaping a little rep. for his hard work and dedication to his craft.....why would you begrudge him that? You seem like a very sad angry man....I hope I am wrong about that but your posts seem to speak volumes about you.

You think I am kidding about Eric not selling to people like you, why dont you call him tell him who you are and see if he will do buisness with you. I am fairly certain he wouldnt build a cue for you for any amount of money.....thats just the kind of standards he has.....as for him being my hero, that is just a juvenile statement......But I do have alot of respect for him......maybe you should learn a little bit before speak, and learn a little respect yourself.....it may do you some good.

BTW if you dont know Eric how do you know his blanks are $50.....or for that mattter that they are blanks at all? Again with you....... speaking with no knowledge.....very sad.

You know my name Why dont you tell us your name. That being hidden behind a screen name feels to good though doesnt it :) :)


As for me being a cuemaker, I doubt I would use those words but I do play around with it.......but you already knew that, as even someone like yourself could have searched my posts and learned that lil tid-bit. I dont see what that has to do with my liking Erics cues......as I have never seen Eric and we live hours from each other and I cant benefit from building him up.....But when I find someone with his biz. ethics I will say so......and there are several on this board alone that carry those same Ethics......and should they be attacked I will defend them as well.......and I am sure they will at some time because there are several people like yourself to carry out that task, simplky because they have nothing better to do.

Also on the people buying my cue thing.....you may be right......but I do have a few orders now, so I guess maybe I will at least sell a few :D :D I really hope that doesnt disappoint you too much :D :D

You also said " leave the bs out of it that you arent stupid" well as I have no idea on who you are, I cant really comment on wether you are stupid or not....angry maybe.

Well its been fun speaking with you.......I do offer counceling so if that is something you are ever interested in , please let me know and send me a PM , and we can see if we can get you over that anger issue....JUST LET ME KNOW........

Of course we will have to schedule your session around my days that I call Eric and to learn all his super powers :D :D :D :D
 
people in glass house shouldn't throw stones.you just called a guy you know nothing about,"too broke to buy a $1000 cue",and you just sold yours b/c you are too broke.and you kind of sounded like a fag doing it.Eric does make a nice cue though.i wouldn't say the best,but they are nice.some of you guys that love the Sugartrees should try a Darrin Hill.He is a wood freak also and gets some real nice pieces.for my style they play a little better too,but the have a harder hit.he is not cheap either though,but in the secondary market some great deals can be had,and they have much longer points.both good cuemakers.
 
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I don't feel that folks should sweat the dollar amounts that Sugartree cues are going for right now. If you would not pay that much for them, don't buy them. The market will determine the fair price of his cues. I have owned them, and they are a quality product. Remember, though, that nothing is more subjective than the "hit" of a cue, which is why there are so many cuemakers out there.

There are a number of relatively new (or those who were local phenoms that the internet has made other folks aware of) IMO, who make really, really great products, and have developed a very loyal following. Sugartree (Eric Crisp), Zylr (Kerry Zyler), Cory Barnhart, Kevin Varney, JW Petree, Joe Callaluca, Barry Cameron and numerous others. Check back in 5 years time, and you will see those that are still around. Based on quality of product and a no-compromise mentality, I would just about bet that these guys will still be around.

Joe
 
Bamacues said:
I don't feel that folks should sweat the dollar amounts that Sugartree cues are going for right now. If you would not pay that much for them, don't buy them. The market will determine the fair price of his cues. I have owned them, and they are a quality product. Remember, though, that nothing is more subjective than the "hit" of a cue, which is why there are so many cuemakers out there.

There are a number of relatively new (or those who were local phenoms that the internet has made other folks aware of) IMO, who make really, really great products, and have developed a very loyal following. Sugartree (Eric Crisp), Zylr (Kerry Zyler), Cory Barnhart, Kevin Varney, JW Petree, Joe Callaluca, Barry Cameron and numerous others. Check back in 5 years time, and you will see those that are still around. Based on quality of product and a no-compromise mentality, I would just about bet that these guys will still be around.

Joe
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OR they can just say fkk it.
I'll find a dealer in Japan. Make 24 cues a year and not deal with the US market.
 
I can honestly say I've been fortunate enough to not have to sell a cue (with the exception of a Cuetec J/B). I still have my first and original snooker cue that is approx 30 - 40 years old.

I still have a hustler SP that Showcase Biliiards made for me in the late 80's. One of my prized possessions was a Joss Color of Money cue in early 90. I think I paid about $500 for that one.

In 2004 I had Wes Hunter build me my first truly custom cue. I had him make me a break shaft for my Joss which lasted until 06 till I killed my Joss during a local tournament. Broke the butt just behind the joint. I picked up a Bunjee Blaster J/B to be replaced with an XBreaker. I met Eric around this timeframe and started shooting league with him.

After seeing his workmanship I jumped at the first opportunity to buy one of his personal players.

African blackwood forearm/butt
4 long cocobolo points into forearm
4 short satinwood points into forearm
4 cocobolo butterflies in butt
4 satinwood butterflies in butt
Black/yellow irish linen wrap
Cocobolo/satinwood rings
Black phenolic collars

I did get the cue rewrapped in vegas with stacked leather (black/brown). The brown matches the coco. By the way guess what wood he used under the wrap not to be seen. He used KOA not maple. That alone speaks volumes about the quality and where he will not compromise.

What is this leading to? I don't sell my cues. If my kids choose to sell them when I'm gone that is their business.

I would like to own another Sugartree with some Moose parts maybe but then I'm done. For me I've found my player and it's a Sugartree.
 
I think this sneaky broke the record. 55 posts for a sneaky.:D

I hope this don't bump the price higher...:(
 
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Can't believe there is so much tension from a person that sold a cue, I forgot that is how this thread started till I looked back. Funny thing is all the bickering comes from not the person selling the cue, and most likely not the person who bought the cue? Good luck all
 
I shouldnt have added to this tension at all......But I really cant stand when people begrudge someone else a little success.....wether its a cuemaker or not.

If I have offended anyone by my posts I am trully sorry.....But I will always try and defend those whom I feel handle themselves worthy of being defended (not that they need it )........and as I stated earlier there are many on this site that fit that description :) :) :)
 
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