Sugartree sneaky with 3 shafts

Trav D

Trav D

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Hello everyone,
I have an Eric Crisp sneaky that I am going to put up available. I do not want to sell this cue but need to get some cash for several new ones coming soon. This has been my personal playing cue since it has arrived to me and has been great. After I received the cue I had Eric build me two additonal shafts for the cue. The cue has been babied to say the least and well taken care of. It has 1 small chip in the finish but you probably would not have noticed it unless I told you. I am getting several more sneakys with 13.25 mm shafts to play with and figured if I own an Eric Crisp cue I am going to play with it so I am offering this one for sale partially for this reason as well. I can not quite get used to the 13mm. Anyway, to make a short story a little longer, lol. This cue hits absolutely wonderful!!!! Enough said.

Specs are as follows: cocobolo sneaky with matching ringwork at the buttcap and joint, 58 in, 3 (13mm shafts), 19.75 oz. Cocobolo is bright orange and highly figured. Price $975 shipped and insured within the US. I am starting my new collection of Sugartrees with 13.2mm or greater but do not mind keeping this one if no one wants it. PM me with any questions please and thank you for looking, Trav D.
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Why would any good player want a shaft 13.2 mm or bigger ???? That's weird. IMO!! Nice cue good luck on the sale.:) :)
 
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Thanks man, it is sure a great player. I couldn't quite get used to the 13 mm shaft and it was impossible as good as that cue hits to just sit around in my collection. Eric is in the works on another for me with the 13.2 mm, CANT WAIT.
 
I cant believe that a SP sold for 1K!! :eek:
They must be like that Harry Potter wand that makes everything for you.
I must try one someday. (Probably when I hit the Lotto, but someday just the same).

Glad you made the sale. Good job.
 
PROG8R said:
I cant believe that a SP sold for 1K!! :eek:
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If it would of had a little "S" on the buttcap it would of sold for twice that.

Cue market is a funny thing.
 
Since the cue is sold, let's talk Sneakies here. I have a 30 year old Meucci with a hidden joint. My buddy had a Scruggs at the same time(early 80s). I never used my Meucci much but it hit simply awesome. If I had to fault it at all, I didn't like the ferrule material which holds chalk, being used to ivory on my Josswest. The only plus I ever saw to the Scruggs was the ferrule. I think it was ivory but I could be wrong. Maybe Martin who owned it will weigh in here.

The other night, I took the Meucci to Carl at "Hall of Fame Billiards" in Warren, Michigan for a new tip. He does excellent work while you wait. He installed a Talisman medium for me with a pad for $23, and while he did he went on and on about the sweet shaftwood on my old sneaky, and the fact that it had NO dents and it's still dead straight. It hits a ton, and while I used to break with it I wouldn't now. No cracks at the wooden joint in the shaft or the butt. Piloted joint. After he put the tip on everyone tried the cue and all praised it's hit. The tip man kept saying that this was the type of shaftwood that you couldn't get nowadays. I can remember when my friend sorta looked down his nose at that cue because he had a Scruggs, and now they sell for $600 or $650 if not more. I paid $110 for the Meucci, and I don't know what it's worth now but not much more than that I assume. Nope, it's not for sale yet.

I guess Bob Frey and Erik Crisp make the most sought after sneakies, but frankly, since I've been back to pool every sneaky that I've hit with that had either a Radial pin or a 3/8X10 and a wood to wood joint with either a phenolic collar or a hardwood collar had a GREAT hit ! Would anyone care to comment ?

Now I ask you, are sweet hitting sneakies so hard to find now that these cues are revered to the tune of $1000? You can get a nice custom cue with 4 points and 4 veneers for 1K if you look carefully, or a great production cue(Schon). This cue had sweet ringwork, 3 shafts, and no doubt a GREAT hit, but $975 ? I guess I'm outta touch :D ...Tom
 
PROG8R said:
I cant believe that a SP sold for 1K!! :eek:
They must be like that Harry Potter wand that makes everything for you.
I must try one someday. (Probably when I hit the Lotto, but someday just the same).

Glad you made the sale. Good job.
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Well at first I thought the same thing. But then you have to look and see that it has 3 shafts with the cue also. I am sure that had a lot to do with the price jump. If you look closely at the shaft, you can see that at least 2 of them have 25+ growth rings per inch especially the shaft in the center (cant really see on the first shaft). Now I know that growth rings alone dont make a great shaft but these look like great hitters to me. That and the ringwork and these shafts alone would go for about 200-250$ each alone. So for the two shafts thats anywhere from 400-500$ and that leaves the remainder 475-575$ for the butt and the original shaft. That is a fair price for a Sugartree sneaky I would say.

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tpdtom said:
Now I ask you, are sweet hitting sneakies so hard to find now that these cues are revered to the tune of $1000? You can get a nice custom cue with 4 points and 4 veneers for 1K if you look carefully, or a great production cue(Schon). This cue had sweet ringwork, 3 shafts, and no doubt a GREAT hit, but $975 ? I guess I'm outta touch :D ...Tom
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$1000 for a production cue?
I don't see the value to them at all.
The Sugartree sold has 3 hand selected shafts. How much would ONE hand selected old growth shaft be worth nowadays?
 
I have a piloted 5/16 x 14 shaft Eric made for me with one of his Korean tips and a hippo ivory ferrule, I would sell it for the right price
 
With the extra shafts it isn't far out of line. One with one shaft sold for around 6 couple weeks ago.

Scruggs sneaky's are selling for 600 or so right now, mostly with worn down shafts. While they hit great they are nothing fancy. Used to sell them for 150, and then right before they stopped selling them they were 210 shipped. I could sell that same cue, 5 years later for 500 easily enough and it wouldn't hit as well as the sugartree sneaky I have now imho. I love Scruggs sneakys, but they don't hit as well to me as a sugartree. If you had three shafts, with ring work, on a scruggs sneaky you'd ask for around 1200 probably and more than likely get close to that.
 
I am one of the lucky few to own a Sugartree cue (and even luckier to order another one before he stopped taking orders). Eric's cues are really made to be played and not as a collectors cue imo. I can't imagine selling my Sugartree but if someone offers me a lot of money for my plane jain with 3 shafts... who knows. :rolleyes:
 
I have owned several TS sneaky's in the past, agree with the hit of the Sugartree being a cleaner, stiffer hit.
 
Now I'm risking making a fool out of myself, but you guys please understand that I didn't touch a cue for 25 years. Is a stiffer hit what most good players like ? The wood to wood joints that I've tried with 3/8X10 screws and also radial pins seem to have a little more feedback, and I really like it. My old Josswest with the stainless 5/16X14 piloted joint and ivory ferrules has what I would call a stiff hit, but I'm going out on a limb to say that a wood to wood radial pin with a 12.75mm shaft and a pro taper with a LePro or a Talisman medium is sweeter to me. YMMV...Tom
 
Now I'm risking making a fool out of myself, but you guys please understand that I didn't touch a cue for 25 years. Is a stiffer hit what most good players like ?

I think so. Less loss of energy b/c the cue is not bending or whipping too much.
 
JCIN said:
If it would of had a little "S" on the buttcap it would of sold for twice that.

Cue market is a funny thing.
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You shouldn't compare with "S" as he has been in the pool scene for decade. Wheras Eric is only known by most people just in this couple of years, three the most. People are willing to pay for $1000 for the quality hit and material use by Eric simply amaze me.
 
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