Suggestions for the next TAR.

Just wait until you see it. They will either make it look silly unless you trick up the table and then why not make them play on a snooker table or you'll see 30 min bumpfests that would even make a one pocket player's eyes bleed. TAR22 gave us our first stalemate. You might have to wait until TAR230 before you see another playing rotation. Shorstops make 9 foot 8 ball look easy. The pros will make it look like tennis. Serve...Volley...Win.

BasementDweller said:
I have finally come around to accepting the near fact that 8 ball is the way to go for the pros. I really don't care what the pros think is best for them. I don't think there are too many marketing experts amongst the pro ranks. Also, I don't think any of them would boycott an 8 ball tournament because they prefer a different game.

I personally think 10 ball is the best overall test of skill for them but so what. I've been playing a little bit of bar box 8 ball lately with mainly league players and I bet 90 percent of these guys think 9 ball is a joke (and 10 ball by extension). I have my own opinion of why most of these guys don't like 9 ball -- most of them can't play it, but that's besides the point.

Anyways, Celtic is right -- we need to see pros playing 8 ball on tight equipment. They might not love it but it's a more attractive game to the amateurs and it can be marketed to non players as well. Everybody knows what 8 ball is all about.

Well, that's all I have to say about that. Where's that Pros Need to Play 8 Ball Petition at???
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I think we need a new/old (returning) faces to TAR- such as Corteza, Deuel, Dechaine, Hatch, Morris, etc. Shane is great and I understand he will duck nobody, but we need some variety
 
Is there another top player in the US that people really want to pay to see in a PPV match or is it only really Shane against a European or Asian player?

Can a Asian vs. Asian or Asian vs. Euro player be something that people want to see in a PPV or does it have to be a top US player vs. someone else?

My own view is that unless it is a top one pocket player from the US vs. anyone, I don't think there is a market for anyone but Shane in 10 ball.

I do think that top world pros playing 8 ball on the TAR table is good for TAR.

Also, I would love to see a 6 to 6 man 10 ball ring game, for medium to high stakes, by any top quality players from any country compete.

--Jeff
 
westcoast said:
I think we need a new/old (returning) faces to TAR- such as Corteza, Deuel, Dechaine, Hatch, Morris, etc. Shane is great and I understand he will duck nobody, but we need some variety
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I do agree it was starting to become "The Shane Report" but I will never discredit Shane for playing literally anybody in the world. Its not his nor TARs fault that enough players do not step up to the plate. Efren v Darren Appleton is a game I would love to see on TAR
 
Well, if TAR is open to suggestion, I would say a 10ball ring game could be great. A lot of action, all offense.

Could be done around US Open in 10 ball and 1p in May. Enough champions in Vegas at the time to get 5-6 players to the table. 3-5000 each should be attractive enough for them to step up.
 
Nick B said:
Just wait until you see it. They will either make it look silly unless you trick up the table and then why not make them play on a snooker table or you'll see 30 min bumpfests that would even make a one pocket player's eyes bleed. TAR22 gave us our first stalemate. You might have to wait until TAR230 before you see another playing rotation. Shorstops make 9 foot 8 ball look easy. The pros will make it look like tennis. Serve...Volley...Win.
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Have you watched ANY world championship 8 ball matches? You get a few more break and runs than the rotation games, but not nearly as many as you're predicting...the matches get very tactical and the safety play is much more creative than 9 ball. A quick youtube search of Efren, Bustamante, Mika, Ortmann, Ralf and many others reveals several epic 8 ball matches, all on tight nine-footers. No break/runout of sets there, and those are just races to 8. A three day 8 ball match would be huge, and you'd get a lot more casual player interest for ppv, IMHO.
 
West Point 1987 said:
Have you watched ANY world championship 8 ball matches? You get a few more break and runs than the rotation games, but not nearly as many as you're predicting...the matches get very tactical and the safety play is much more creative than 9 ball. A quick youtube search of Efren, Bustamante, Mika, Ortmann, Ralf and many others reveals several epic 8 ball matches, all on tight nine-footers. No break/runout of sets there, and those are just races to 8. A three day 8 ball match would be huge, and you'd get a lot more casual player interest for ppv, IMHO.
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I agree, I'd like to see more 8 ball too

However, while what you are saying is true, it is also true that the 8 ball tournament back from 2001 (The LA Expo) had a lot of runouts- particularly Mika vs. Efren. I still found it entertaining though and as you correctly mentioned, 9 and 10 ball also feature a lot of runouts at the pro level
 
How about Orcullo vs. Corteza? Or Orcullo vs. Bustamante? Or Bustamante vs. Corteza? Bustamante vs. Reyes?
 
Bustamante Vs Reyes, 10 ball. (Great shooters head to head)

Larry Nevel Vs Earl Strickland (imagine the tempers)

SVB Vs Jonny Archer

Earl Strickland Vs Jonny Archer

SVB Vs Reyes
 
Personalities are great. Champions from the past would be great. Bring on some guys like Sigel, Hopkins, Varner. I like the earlier idea of Strickland vs Sigel.

I'd like to see 8-ball.

Hey, here is a crazy science experiment: Bob Jewett vs Dr. Dave
 
Nick B said:
Before someone spouts off about 8ball. SVB said it best. Not for the pros on a 9 footer. His words but I agree.

Nick B
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He actually backpeddled on that real quick. Here is the youtube video of SVB commenting on it. He initially says it is not a pro game that immediately pulled back and thought about it some more. He ends off saying that 10-ball or 8-ball are the only games that should be considered for pro pool.

http://youtu.be/xljm_Aox66Y?t=52m48s

He also gave it more thought because the question was based on actually being played on the tight table which changes things up alot.

And if he thinks it is closer to feasable as a pro game on that 9-footer then he would likely see a whole new light to it on the new 10-foot Diamond tables if they had the same size 4 1/8th inch cut pockets which is what I have always said would be the ideal surface for pro 8-ball.
 
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Celtic said:
And if he thinks it is closer to feasable as a pro game on that 9-footer then he would likely see a whole new light to it on the new 10-foot Diamond tables if they had the same size 4 1/8th inch cut pockets which is what I have always said would be the ideal surface for pro 8-ball.
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10-foot table ideal for 8-ball? I don't understand that. The thing that makes 8-ball stand out is the strategic aspect of it, and strategy really only comes up when clusters form. The bigger the table, the less likely clusters would form and the game becomes more and more a shot-making game than a cerebral one. If that's the case, might as well play a rotation game such as 9-ball or 10-ball to make it more difficult.

I think 8-ball on a barbox is better to enhance the mental aspect of the game. Obviously the issue with barbox pool is that ball pocketing is trivial.

Hmm, I got an idea to improve 8-ball on 9-footer for champions. I think it deserves another thread.
 
jsp said:
10-foot table ideal for 8-ball? I don't understand that. The thing that makes 8-ball stand out is the strategic aspect of it, and strategy really only comes up when clusters form. The bigger the table, the less likely clusters would form and the game becomes more and more a shot-making game than a cerebral one. If that's the case, might as well play a rotation game such as 9-ball or 10-ball to make it more difficult.

I think 8-ball on a barbox is better to enhance the mental aspect of the game. Obviously the issue with barbox pool is that ball pocketing is trivial.

Hmm, I got an idea to improve 8-ball on 9-footer for champions. I think it deserves another thread.
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Maybe play 8 ball on a bar table with very tight pockets to make ball pocketing less trivial? Or perhaps to make more clusters on a big table, have 10 stripes and 10 solids?
 
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