SVB runs a 305 in straight pool

[xianmacx]

Well go help support him and try that. Just make sure it is on some nap cloth Totally different game there.

From what I see is the old videos, in the era of slow nap cloth, the pockets were much bigger, may 5-5.25?

What are your thoughts around this? I have sometimes thought the 2 table conditions would kinda cancel each other out on difficulty. Fast cloth plus 4.5 = slow cloth plus 5.


**just saw some of previous comments, not looking for an argument here...**

Thanks,
Ian

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

Don't change the subject. We are talking about equipment. Pocket size and cloth are part of the equipment. My argument has nothing to do with opening the rack. If you don't think SVB can open the rack, that's your opinion, not fact. Remember, we are talking about equipment...

Changing the subject? heh. What part of of my last sentences did not reference the modern type of cloth, and how it effects the game? Are you trying to dictate a different subject? As that was my very first subject posted, the cloth. You were the one adding in pockets, Diamond table etc.............. So, who was changing the subject again?

 

[billiardthought]

Pocket size means little when there is no balls open to make, now is it? You had to work the rack a lot more, much more strategy. And it would be "ignorant" to think that is not the case.

This argument is ignorant. You transitioned from equipment to skill. I am transitioning out of this thread now.

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

This argument is ignorant. You transitioned from equipment to skill. I am transitioning out of this thread now.

I would transition out to. As the two are quite related. As Grady Mathews once said, the introduction of Simonis (and related speed cloths) made the game a lot less strategic and easier to play.

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

From what I see is the old videos, in the era of slow nap cloth, the pockets were much bigger, may 5-5.25?

What are your thoughts around this? I have sometimes thought the 2 table conditions would kinda cancel each other out on difficulty. Fast cloth plus 4.5 = slow cloth plus 5.


**just saw some of previous comments, not looking for an argument here...**

Thanks,
Ian

But they do not cancel each other out in this game. Larger pockets with straight pool is not much of an advantage as most of the shots are close, and into the lower corner pockets anyways (shorter shots, if played correctly). The game becomes much tougher when you are "locked" up. Don't take my word for it, try it some time.

 

[DAVE_M]

What do you mean? Obviously, the record can never be broken because that old Brunswick 8 footer has been lost to time.

The record is 526 balls run in 14.1; not 526 balls run in 14.1 with a Balabushka cue, on an 8ft table with wide pockets, in front of an audience, with nappy cloth, and ideal temperature.

Changing the subject? heh. What part of of my last sentences did not reference the modern type of cloth, and how it effects the game? Are you trying to dictate a different subject? As that was my very first subject posted, the cloth. You were the one adding in pockets, Diamond table etc.............. So, who was changing the subject again?

This part: "You had to work the rack a lot more, much more strategy."
That is skill, not equipment.

After this post, I'm done arguing with someone as hardheaded as you.

But they do not cancel each other out in this game. Larger pockets with straight pool is not much of an advantage as most of the shots are close, and into the lower corner pockets anyways (shorter shots, if played correctly). The game becomes much tougher when you are "locked" up. Don't take my word for it, try it some time.

What is your high run on a loose Gold Crown III with nappy cloth?
What is your high run on a tight Diamond Pro-Am with Simonis?

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

The record is 526 balls run in 14.1; not 526 balls run in 14.1 with a Balabushka cue, on an 8ft table with wide pockets, in front of an audience, with nappy cloth, and ideal temperature.



This part: "You had to work the rack a lot more, much more strategy."
That is skill, not equipment.

After this post, I'm done arguing with someone as hardheaded as you.



What is your high run on a loose Gold Crown III with nappy cloth?
What is your high run on a tight Diamond Pro-Am with Simonis?

You don't like someone's statement and they are arguing with you? If by hardheaded you mean I was going to take on your opinion, yes, VERY lol...

I have a GC IV with 4 1/2" pockets, and a local hall with 4 1/2" Diamonds, I do not see one any harder or easier than the other (just different). What does effect one a lot though is cloth speed (as I have already said several times here).

 

[xianmacx]

But they do not cancel each other out in this game. Larger pockets with straight pool is not much of an advantage as most of the shots are close, and into the lower corner pockets anyways (shorter shots, if played correctly). The game becomes much tougher when you are "locked" up. Don't take my word for it, try it some time.

Thanks for your feedback, certainly an interesting topic.

 

[arnaldo]

That 4 ball almost went in too! I think he played the bank because the 1 laying near the side pocket made it a bigger pocket? Otherwise I was confused as to why he didn't bank the 6.

Did you watch the run in person? I don't see a link to a video of the run that we can all watch,

Arnaldo

 

[pogmothoin]

I'm no expert but I would think slower cloth that is well maintained would be an advantage in 14.1. The huge stroke shots that benefit the most from Simonis not being as big a factor in this game. I would think the slower cloth would make it easier to be more precise in your positioning.

Can anyone tell me why Simonis is an advantage in 14.1 other than the fact that modern day players are familiar with it?

 

[JoeyInCali]

I can only imagine what SVB would do on an 8 ft Gold Crown with 5" corner pockets.

 

[alstl]

That 4 ball almost went in too! I think he played the bank because the 1 laying near the side pocket made it a bigger pocket? Otherwise I was confused as to why he didn't bank the 6.

Did you see it in person or on a video? The reason I ask is because I'd like to see it.

 

[jay helfert]

IMO running over 300 (305) is quite a feat anyway you cut it. The true test is how does he play in an actual game. We all play good when practicing. Did you ever notice that? No opponent and no waiting for your next turn helps.

There is a reason Mosconi's 526 is still intact. A lot of Straight Pool has been played in the last ten years and only Engert and Schmidt have gone over 400. Like others have said you must keep the cue ball in the clear and keep coming up with shots. And that ain't easy mi amigos!

I will still pay $10,000 for the rights to a video showing someone running over 526 balls. It must be full length with nothing edited in or out! One continuous stream in other words.

 

[JoeyInCali]

IMO running over 300 (305) is quite a feat anyway you cut it. The true test is how does he play in an actual game. We all play good when practicing. Did you ever notice that? No opponent and no waiting for your next turn helps.

There is a reason Mosconi's 526 is still intact. A lot of Straight Pool has been played in the last ten years and only Engert and Schmidt have gone over 400. Like others have said you must keep the cue ball in the clear and keep coming up with shots. And that ain't easy mi amigos!

I will still pay $10,000 for the rights to a video showing someone running over 526 balls. It must be full length with nothing edited in or out! One continuous stream in other words.

1. Brunswick doesn't sponsor anyone to do 14.1 exhibition tours anymore .
If Brunswick did that to Mike Sigel and SVB, who knows what would have happened ?
Homann ran 400+ too.
http://www.thehypertexts.com/Pool Billiards record high runs.htm

 

[DAVE_M]

There is a reason Mosconi's 526 is still intact.

In my opinion, since it has never been officially declared, the record is 526 ball run in the game of 14.1 (straight pool). The record doesn't dictate that it can only be broken in casual play, an exhibition, tournament play, or practice. The record also doesn't dictate the table size, cloth type, pocket size, ball type, or brand of table. If any of that is part of running 526 balls, then we should make anyone who attempts to beat the record, play with a Balabushka. Better yet, we should make them play with Mosconi's Balabushka.

I'm pretty sure, even if someone beat the 526 record, regardless of table difficulty, there would be some people dismissing it for one reason or another.

 

[Kris_b1104]

Did you see it in person or on a video? The reason I ask is because I'd like to see it.

It was on Upstate Al's live stream last night at Steinway. Shane was practicing for the tournament this week. It was being live streamed but AL mentioned several times that it isn't being recorded, so I doubt it will be uploaded unless someone else recorded the live stream from their computer.

 

[JoeyInCali]

In my opinion, since it has never been officially declared, the record is 526 ball run in the game of 14.1 (straight pool). The record doesn't dictate that it can only be broken in casual play, an exhibition, tournament play, or practice. The record also doesn't dictate the table size, cloth type, pocket size, ball type, or brand of table. If any of that is part of running 526 balls, then we should make anyone who attempts to beat the record, play with a Balabushka. Better yet, we should make them play with Mosconi's Balabushka.

I'm pretty sure, even if someone beat the 526 record, regardless of table difficulty, there would be some people dismissing it for one reason or another.

That'd be like saying, Roger Maris did not break Babe Ruth's season HR record b/c he didn't a 44 oz Babe bat.

 

[wrldpro]

IMO running over 300 (305) is quite a feat anyway you cut it. The true test is how does he play in an actual game. We all play good when practicing. Did you ever notice that? No opponent and no waiting for your next turn helps.

There is a reason Mosconi's 526 is still intact. A lot of Straight Pool has been played in the last ten years and only Engert and Schmidt have gone over 400. Like others have said you must keep the cue ball in the clear and keep coming up with shots. And that ain't easy mi amigos!

I will still pay $10,000 for the rights to a video showing someone running over 526 balls. It must be full length with nothing edited in or out! One continuous stream in other words.

Jay,

I agree to most of your post..Neils, Thorsten and Cohen have all run over 400 in recent years. As far As Shane goes I can only imagine if he really knew a lot more about straight pool how high his runs would go considering his hard work ethics. Everybody will argue till they are blue in the face about size of the tables, pocket sizes, cloth, balls, ld shafts,polishing the balls and so on but 305 is an enormous run and I hope Shane stays with it and keeps putting up big runs. Anyone running over 526 doesn't beat Mosconis record to be clear as Willie has gone over the 600 mark a couple times including running 600 and quiting to go to dinner with Charlie Ursetti. Then there are the runs like Mike E over 650 and Cranfields 860. These are all super runs but the difference in my opinion is the old wool cloth, light balls and cushions that didn't have much bounce was much harder to play on as the balls would never open up like all of recent high runs in the last 10 years.

Your Friend,

Bobby Chamberlain

 

[DAVE_M]

That'd be like saying, Roger Maris did not break Babe Ruth's season HR record b/c he didn't a 44 oz Babe bat.

That's my point. Even if SVB played on the same table and beat it, someone would say it doesn't count, because SVB used a different cue and set of balls.

IMO, if you run 527 balls on a 7ft, 8ft, or 9ft, with any cue/ball set/cloth/pocket size, you have beaten the record.

 

[Kris_b1104]

That's my point. Even if SVB played on the same table and beat it, someone would say it doesn't count, because SVB used a different cue and set of balls.

And don't forget Mosconi ran over 500 without a glove lmao