The guys that participate will be fine — they know what and why BC is doing this, it’s all good.
Lou Figueroa
SVB to Kick Off High Run Attempts
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The guys that participate will be fine — they know what and why BC is doing this, it’s all good.
Lou Figueroa
That's kind of the point.
Shane is NOT a WPA sanctioned world champion.
But I'm happy he's there anyways.
I did the stats for Schmidt's runs. I had almost all of his runs over 100 thanks to Doug Desmond who kept track of all of them. From each number you can tell which ball in the rack he missed on since all of the runs started with a full rack. 421 means that John missed on the shot after a break shot.
John was about 1/22 to fail on a break shot, whether by missing or scratching. He was about 1/22 to fail on the shot after the break shot. Missing at other times in the rack appeared to be uniform and about 1/134 or 0.75% per ball. From an open position, he was 50% to run 50 and 25% (more or less) to run 100.
I watched parts of each of John's sessions in person. One thing that I noticed is that at first he had two or three difficult shots in each rack. But he made them. In his final attempts he had far fewer hard shots. I think his patterns got better. I don't know whether that was by conscious planning or just by osmosis, but I suspect the latter.
In his attempts so far, Shane has had too many hard shots.
I'm a Shane fan and say this with all due respect, Shane hasn't won a sanctioned World Championship.
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I know there was a 6 ball he missed at 12 racks in that was a tough down the rail shot. He seems to overcut those a lot.
He’s Shane van B...THAT makes him a world champion. ; )
I’ve always been more a ‘spirit of the law’ kinda guy. I don’t know any of the internal workings here but the world champion prerequisite seems like it’s there for two reasons - kind of meshed into one really... the promoters don’t want just any pro to take up the offer and spend days running 40-70 maybe 100 balls while trying to figure out the game of straight pool on someone’s dime, and they want to get as many viewers as possible starting out. World champions are likely to be Players that draw crowds.
So the blanket prerequisite stops them from having to turn down a bunch of folks. Just my thoughts
I’ve always been more a ‘spirit of the law’ kinda guy. I don’t know any of the internal workings here but the world champion prerequisite seems like it’s there for two reasons - kind of meshed into one really... the promoters don’t want just any pro to take up the offer and spend days running 40-70 maybe 100 balls while trying to figure out the game of straight pool on someone’s dime, and they want to get as many viewers as possible starting out. World champions are likely to be Players that draw crowds.
So the blanket prerequisite stops them from having to turn down a bunch of folks. Just my thoughts
From an open position, he was 50% to run 50 and 25% (more or less) to run 100.
I like the way you summarize this as it wraps up a bunch of smaller items into a more digestible number. 1/4 chance to reach 100, 1/16 chance to reach 200, 1/64 to reach 300...
This is the kind of effort that should take months so if someone actually pulls it off in this context it will be an unbelievable accomplishment.
Or one person, specifically.
It's both. As Mike Page is fond of saying everything that causes a player to play at the level they play at is baked in including the mental states experienced.
Statistically technical failures to execute exactly as needed leading to a miss or missed position leading to an impossible position will happen with a certain frequency.
Skids and hitting debris and roll offs will also happen.
Unforced errors due to fatigue and discouragement are likely to be more frequent the longer the player is shooting.
How devasting must it have been to miss at 490 and 498 when chasing 526?
I can see and hear Shane getting disgusted when he misses, especially when he misses easy shots.
Will that be any different for Filler or any one else?
Lol, getting free rolls at the cheese is what the players see imo.
Why wouldn't anyone "invited" do that?
Just another day in the fractured world of pool where ego is the driving force.
I wish I was really wealthy because I would set up a table exactly like the one being used and pay John Schmidt to beat each day's high run in real time.
As fascinating as this is watching you both ignore the reigning world record it is ultimately another black eye for pool because of the ugliness of the people behind it imo. This isn't for the love of the game, it is a disgusting display of an attempt to denigrate one person's amazing accomplishment.
The player who beats John's record will be remembered, the promoters and hype staff will not be. No one but nits really cares about the room, the table type, or the circumstances of Willie's run. Nor do we care about the table in John's run.
Nor do we care about 300 on a diamond. Diamonds can have bucket pockets too.
300 is respectable for being 300 and it is still less than half of the world record. Not acknowledging the current world record and the person who holds it while doing word gymnastics trying to act like this isn't a deliberate snub is childish and sad.
Y'all are going to do what you want to regardless but don't lie to yourselves and pretend that the audience can't see exactly what Bobby is doing and why.
Got to give credit where credit is due. You are really really good at what you do.
A person who can flat out spin the actual words his boss publicly said into "not exactly" what he said is a master of his craft.
I guess the "next fleet" of players is going to be the ones who haven't won world championships and there will be reasonable expectations that one or more of them would have a shot at breaking John's record?
Ten years.......I bet it doesn't go ten months before Bobby gets tired of watching players not get close to John's record while he pays their expenses.
As well he is commiting to being there or asking people to volunteer to run the stream and rack the balls and whatever else is needed. I am sure he is catering to the players and that costs time and money.
Well, as I said before, as a pool fan I thank him for providing the free entertainment. It is great watching champions run balls.
But for real tell them not to use as much spin when shooting as is being used to describe this "project".
I love me some FargoRate but i don't believe it has the pursuit of a World Record (even if the event promoters don't want to call it that) baked into their equation. Almost everything is baked into the equation, but not this. Let's take two of the straightest shooting players ever -- Filler and Shaw and compare. Do they both have the skills on paper to break this record if just given enough attempts -- maybe so. But are they both as likely to actually get to the mountaintop? I don't think so. I think Filler may have what it takes but I'm not so sure about Shaw. It's not really a knock either as this pursuit is more than a just a pool one. On some level, these things are spiritual.
Nah, I just call out what I see. That cobra guy is likely the best table mechanic on the planet but for sure is in the top five in America.
Did you get an invite? No? Not qualified I guess?
"But for real tell them not to use as much spin when shooting as is being used to describe this "project"."
Oh my...what a gem. That's like a double-the-table length draw shot.
Oh my...what a gem. That's like a double-the-table length draw shot.
I think a lot of it is spiritual, Efren always says focus is the most important skill to bring to the table
Fargo Rate isn't geared towards anything other than using past results to predict the future as closely as possible for the types of game results it tracks.
Fargo ratings don't tell anyone what a players state of mind was during a match but that player's state of mind is part of the results. That was the point.
Speaking only for myself I can tell you that my performance is highly dependent on my state of mind. That said I can feel great but that won't make me play like a 700 because I don't have the skills that go with being a 700. But when I am feeling great I could play like a 650. And when not then like a 550. I am a 610 and that seems about right given what I know of my attitude and physical abilities.
If I made a conscious effort to eliminate negativity then I would guess I could get to a 630ish or possibly a little higher due to less unforced errors caused by a shitty mental state.
That's all I meant by the comment that it's all baked in.
I get what you're saying. I just think there are unquantifiable aspects to this pursuit that are overlooked when just trying to put math borders around it. When you are approaching the limits of human capability, the math just breaks down. In other words,, there's more to WORLD RECORDS being broken than just math. I realize most of you already know this, so I guess I'm just saying it for my own edification at this point, and also to highlight once again -- what a remarkable achievement John Schmidt accomplished.
Records are broke by accident and luck, rather than by planned attempts.