SVB to Kick Off High Run Attempts

BasementDweller said:
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That means I don't care how many players are invited to the 14.1 attempt to break the high run record, it's not going to fall just because someone is trying to turn this into a competition to break the record. Every player who set their own personal best high run in 14.1 did so without planning to do so, it just happened to be the right time, place, table, and mind set that allowed them to set their own personal high run, to which they never come back and push it to a new high personal best again. JS broke the record with personal dedication, persistence, determination, and the mental focus to continue on after each failure, challenging himself, what he was doing, and his time and dedication, as if it was even worth while continuing on. But his determination to continue on outweighed his reasons to quit the pursuit of a new record.
 
JB Cases said:
Lol, getting free rolls at the cheese is what the players see imo.

Why wouldn't anyone "invited" do that?

Just another day in the fractured world of pool where ego is the driving force.

I wish I was really wealthy because I would set up a table exactly like the one being used and pay John Schmidt to beat each day's high run in real time.

As fascinating as this is watching you both ignore the reigning world record it is ultimately another black eye for pool because of the ugliness of the people behind it imo. This isn't for the love of the game, it is a disgusting display of an attempt to denigrate one person's amazing accomplishment.

The player who beats John's record will be remembered, the promoters and hype staff will not be. No one but nits really cares about the room, the table type, or the circumstances of Willie's run. Nor do we care about the table in John's run.

Nor do we care about 300 on a diamond. Diamonds can have bucket pockets too.

300 is respectable for being 300 and it is still less than half of the world record. Not acknowledging the current world record and the person who holds it while doing word gymnastics trying to act like this isn't a deliberate snub is childish and sad.

Y'all are going to do what you want to regardless but don't lie to yourselves and pretend that the audience can't see exactly what Bobby is doing and why.
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Thanks for your interest in our event, John.

Lou Figueroa
 
JB Cases said:
Got to give credit where credit is due. You are really really good at what you do.

A person who can flat out spin the actual words his boss publicly said into "not exactly" what he said is a master of his craft.

I guess the "next fleet" of players is going to be the ones who haven't won world championships and there will be reasonable expectations that one or more of them would have a shot at breaking John's record?

Ten years.......I bet it doesn't go ten months before Bobby gets tired of watching players not get close to John's record while he pays their expenses.

As well he is commiting to being there or asking people to volunteer to run the stream and rack the balls and whatever else is needed. I am sure he is catering to the players and that costs time and money.

Well, as I said before, as a pool fan I thank him for providing the free entertainment. It is great watching champions run balls.

But for real tell them not to use as much spin when shooting as is being used to describe this "project".
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I will be sure to put that advice in the appropriate file.

Lou Figueroa
 
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BasementDweller said:
I love me some FargoRate but i don't believe it has the pursuit of a World Record (even if the event promoters don't want to call it that) baked into their equation. Almost everything is baked into the equation, but not this. Let's take two of the straightest shooting players ever -- Filler and Shaw and compare. Do they both have the skills on paper to break this record if just given enough attempts -- maybe so. But are they both as likely to actually get to the mountaintop? I don't think so. I think Filler may have what it takes but I'm not so sure about Shaw. It's not really a knock either as this pursuit is more than a just a pool one. On some level, these things are spiritual.
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Personally I like JF’ chances.

Lou Figueroa
TH’ too
 
BasementDweller said:
I get what you're saying. I just think there are unquantifiable aspects to this pursuit that are overlooked when just trying to put math borders around it. When you are approaching the limits of human capability, the math just breaks down. In other words,, there's more to WORLD RECORDS being broken than just math. I realize most of you already know this, so I guess I'm just saying it for my own edification at this point, and also to highlight once again -- what a remarkable achievement John Schmidt accomplished.
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I think one thing John had going for him is a lifetime of 14.1 experience. I get the sense that Shane only plays 14.1 directly before a straight pool competition and during it. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

The more racks a player strings together, the more likely 14.1 knowledge and experience will play a huge role in navigating those tricky situations in the simplest way possible. Shane can brute force his way through the racks and run 200 frequently, but will his reliance on his shotmaking catch him out more often? I could be totally wrong here though since I have no idea what it’s like to shoot with Shane’s level of control and consistency.

My favourites to achieve this are guys like Hohman, Filler or Immonen who seem to have spent a lot more time practicing the game.
 
realkingcobra said:
That means I don't care how many players are invited to the 14.1 attempt to break the high run record, it's not going to fall just because someone is trying to turn this into a competition to break the record. Every player who set their own personal best high run in 14.1 did so without planning to do so, it just happened to be the right time, place, table, and mind set that allowed them to set their own personal high run, to which they never come back and push it to a new high personal best again. JS broke the record with personal dedication, persistence, determination, and the mental focus to continue on after each failure, challenging himself, what he was doing, and his time and dedication, as if it was even worth while continuing on. But his determination to continue on outweighed his reasons to quit the pursuit of a new record.
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Shhhh, it's not a competition. It's just a 14.1 personal high run quest funded by a generous benefactor. Success is not determined by whether any of the participants beat any other record than their own personal bests. Running 627 will not be seen as beating any record, just a personal best done for the love of the game......
 
there really should be a standard for the table for determining the highest runs.
pocket size has a lot to do with it for instance. to exaggerate what if it was done on 7 inch pockets. would it still be a record as the balls were run.
or if the table had a big slope toward a pocket or something to that effect.

the speed of the cloth can have a big effect.
 
Cameron Smith said:
I think one thing John had going for him is a lifetime of 14.1 experience. I get the sense that Shane only plays 14.1 directly before a straight pool competition and during it. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

The more racks a player strings together, the more likely 14.1 knowledge and experience will play a huge role in navigating those tricky situations in the simplest way possible. Shane can brute force his way through the racks and run 200 frequently, but will his reliance on his shotmaking catch him out more often? I could be totally wrong here though since I have no idea what it’s like to shoot with Shane’s level of control and consistency.

My favourites to achieve this are guys like Hohman, Filler or Immonen who seem to have spent a lot more time practicing the game.
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Exactly, same as Willie who almost exclusively played 14.1. not only a lifetime of experience, much more than John's but also almost daily experience during that life time running 150 and out doing challenge matches, exhibitions and tournaments.

By the time Willie ran 526 in public he was as primed to do it as a human could be imo.
 
maha said:
there really should be a standard for the table for determining the highest runs.
pocket size has a lot to do with it for instance. to exaggerate what if it was done on 7 inch pockets. would it still be a record as the balls were run.
or if the table had a big slope toward a pocket or something to that effect.

the speed of the cloth can have a big effect.
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I agree but there isn't a standard which is what allows this promoter to knock John's accomplishment based on table specs while at the same time making the table specs relatively "easy"for his own high run project.
 
lfigueroa said:
I will be sure to put that advice in the appropriate file.

Lou Figueroa
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No need, as it was rhetorical. It is truly amazing to see a master at work doing what he does best.

The way you turn lemons into apple pie is an artform. If you played 14.1 as well as you do interpretations of your boss's words I would bet you could easily run more than a thousand balls.
 
maha said:
there really should be a standard for the table for determining the highest runs.
pocket size has a lot to do with it for instance. to exaggerate what if it was done on 7 inch pockets. would it still be a record as the balls were run.
or if the table had a big slope toward a pocket or something to that effect.

the speed of the cloth can have a big effect.
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Unless players are routinely running 300+ then the table is fine imo
 
lfigueroa said:
Thanks for your interest in our event, John.

Lou Figueroa
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Is it an event or a project with no end? An event indicates a beginning and an end. Your boss said that there is no planned end. He said players are lined up and will spend between five days to a month breaking and running and breaking and running and breaking and running and breaking and running......

But why quibble, I know what you meant and you're welcome. I am interested in the results and the irony.
 
I've only read a portion of the comments, so not sure if it's been said, but I am interested to see how Shane's game is AFTER these attempts.
 
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