SVB v Orcollo
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I know I’m not watching. I think most of us are just checking the thread or the stream occasionally for the score. Agree, it’s been boring for months.
Because those games aren't rotation games. (To be fair, Sharks has the Philippine 9-ball Open going on right now with traditional 9-ball rules.)
No one has to like this format. But one cannot question the objective of the game, which is to create a rotation game in which safety play, tactics, and shot-making are the primary factors in determining the winner, leaving out the skill of the break shot and all the luck that goes with the break. (Yes, the break involves BOTH skill and luck.)
One can legitimately argue that even if SVB gets crushed by DO in this format that doesn't mean DO has an edge over SVB in traditional 10-ball (which he doesn't, because SVB's superior break is too big of a factor). But still, the results of this format does say something....whether SVB fans like it or not.
Do I prefer this format over traditional 10-ball? No. But that isn't to say that I don't mind seeing tournaments with this format from once in a while, because, as I said, the results do mean something.
Hmmmm, I could be wrong, but I believe if I challenged the best 9b/10b players and told them there was a mandatory push after every break, their only question would be "how much we playing for?".
I'd prefer to play two shot shoot out with anyone if given a fair spot. Fargate
Actually, having thought of it a bit more, the break STILL matters in this format. After all, you can still break as hard as you desire and you can still keep control of the table if you pocket the ball. What it does is it amplifies any weakness in your safety play.
If you break, pocket a ball, and have an open shot on the lowest numbered ball, this format forces you to play a safety (or push out, but 95% of the time you won't push out if you have a clear path to the lowest numbered ball). Isn't it MUCH easier to play an effective safety when you have a clear shot on the lowest numbered ball? Doesn't the better breaker have the a greater chance of having a clear shot on the lowest numbered ball after the break? That means the better breaker will have a much better chance at playing lock-up safeties compared to the weaker breaker. Also the better breaker will play more safeties than push outs after the break compared to the weaker player.
So I have to correct what I said earlier. The skill of the break shot is actually NOT "left out". The break shot still matters. So all things being equal, the better breaker should STILL have an advantage in this format. But any advantage you have in the break shot completely gets nullified if your safety play is inferior.
Last I saw the score at 67-46, Shane was down 21 games and then the stream went down on Facebook. Anyone know the end result? I am thinking that SVB may have broken down his cue and conceded, I could be wrong, but the Sharks FB page just give notice that Orcullo is the Winner, no final match score was posted.
As others have said, it was kind of boring, although both players had the same rules, this was essentially a race to "1" over and over until someone got to 90. We all know he can run packages, but in my opinion, SVB struggles with these short race/single game format rules that lead to Mosconi Cup statistics. Everyone has cracks in their armor, so this mental reset every game may be good for him.
As others have said, it was kind of boring, although both players had the same rules, this was essentially a race to "1" over and over until someone got to 90. We all know he can run packages, but in my opinion, SVB struggles with these short race/single game format rules that lead to Mosconi Cup statistics. Everyone has cracks in their armor, so this mental reset every game may be good for him.
The shelf looks really shallow! Unless that angle is a bit deceiving, it looks like the ball will fall if it gets past the point at all.
I play on a Global like that. If you're consistent at center pocket, no problem.
I know people love Shane, I love Shane as well, but that doesn't stop me from liking Dennis' game!
EveryOne loves Efren right? So why can't we love both Shane and Dennis at the same time?
What you pointed out, is the unbiased observation.
I don't understand why people whine, in other sports, even when someone is too good and rules got changed, players adapt and play by those rules.
Besides, all top athletes strive for complete all around skills, for example Federer in tennis, so by exposing your weakness, one should be happy that they find something to work on and improve to be the better version of themselves.
If I found myself have a weak break, I'd work on it, if my kicking game sucks, I'd work on that.
In face, Shane got so good at his break by working on it harder than others, so is Dennis, his cue ball control and kicking games is his asset, which he worked his ass off of, and that helps him rocketed into top 3 of 1 pocket in just a few years.
So, to each their own~
Overall, well said, pal! Love sane and objective discussion!
Here's a safe for Big Money he'd never shoot.
@ the 2.01:13 mark
He'd of gone the other way, r/s of one bank it back by his body, whitey & 1, both landing on the same long rail.
It's why I don't like betting on these type of matchups.
@ the 2.01:13 mark
He'd of gone the other way, r/s of one bank it back by his body, whitey & 1, both landing on the same long rail.
It's why I don't like betting on these type of matchups.
9-ball is a shortened version of 15-ball rotation….I played lots of rotation as a teen….if people don’t like the short version, why don’t they just take it back to full rack?….and leave us the hell alone.
I like 9-ball….the old ‘roll out’ version or Texas Express.
…I also gambled at 6-ball…that might make them faint
i think i remember Sharks saying he will play Biado and then Lee Van
Ok Thank You!!