SVB vs Chang on ESPN now! Dec 9th 2pm est

[sjm]

Uhh, yeah, he was the number 1 player in Taiwan a while ago, long before this trip to the USA. He tore the Guiness tour to pieces in 2007 and 2008, look at the freaking fields in these events he won...

He did not prove he belongs along side of SVB and the rest of those guys in the CoC this year, he proved to be that level of player years ago and most people in America simply do not have a clue about some of the top talent across the Pacific..... I know this was probably not your intent SJM, but Chang has not just now arrived and he is not an up and coming star, he has been a world class top 10 player on this planet for years and everyone at the pro level in Asia (the Phillipines, China, Taiwan) knew it. If anything I think SVB's win at the US Open showed he is right up there with Chang and the other elite level players on this planet then the other way around.

I disagree. I consider Shane, Orcullo and Appleton to be the three best players in the world right now.

Chang, as you suggest, has been a very elite player for a while now, but this is the first time I think he's mentionable with the other three, and I'm not even sure of that. When his playing resume includes the most prestigious titles in the biggest internationally deep fields, it cannot be argued. Today it can.

I wouldn't say more than a dozen players in the world are presently mentionable with these three, so I feel I have given Chang his proper due.

 

[Johnnyt]

To me, the production quality was about as good as it gets in terms of the video. What I dislike is that the matches are edited to fit the one hour show length while including many commercials and other breaks.

In today's first match, which went 14 games [0-5, 5-3, 1-0 SVB over Chang], they skipped two games entirely and showed only part of two other games.

In the second match, which went 16 games [2-5, 5-3, 1-0 Appleton over Orcollo], they omitted four games entirely.

In the finals, which went 12 games [5-1, 5-1 Appleton over SVB], they omitted one game entirely.

In his two matches, SVB was beaten 18-8 overall in games! But I guess he made up for it later that week at the U.S. Open!

Yes, that's what I ment...all the editing. But most of the reason I won't watch is because its never live. Johnnyt

 

[BeiberLvr]

Yes, that's what I ment...all the editing. But most of the reason I won't watch is because its never live. Johnnyt

You don't watch matches on youtube?

 

[AtLarge]

... But most of the reason I won't watch is because its never live. ...

Live certainly would be better, but knowing the result in advance doesn't completely spoil it for me. The viewer still gets to see how that outcome was achieved -- the good and bad shots and the emotions. I also like to see what equipment is being used and get a feeling for the venue. I might even see something that will help my own pool game. And this event was a rare opportunity to see Chang play.

Wouldn't you want to watch some of the matches of the old masters if the recordings existed, even knowing who won? Or, as I think others mentioned, matches on YouTube or Accu-Stats with known results?

 

[BeiberLvr]

I agree that live would be way better, which brings up some questions.

Why isn't this event shown live? Why hasn't the US Open ever been broadcast live on TV, or at least the last day or two.

Has Barry ever contacted ESPN or another sports network about doing this? I suppose he has, and maybe they said no, or one side wanted too much and couldn't come to an agreement.

Not looking for speculation, just details if anyone knows.

 

[Masayoshi]

I disagree. I consider Shane, Orcullo and Appleton to be the three best players in the world right now.

Chang, as you suggest, has been a very elite player for a while now, but this is the first time I think he's mentionable with the other three, and I'm not even sure of that. When his playing resume includes the most prestigious titles in the biggest internationally deep fields, it cannot be argued. Today it can.

I wouldn't say more than a dozen players in the world are presently mentionable with these three, so I feel I have given Chang his proper due.

The All Japan Championship has probably the biggest, most international, and toughest (only pros are allowed) field of any pro 10 ball tournament in the world.

As far as international titles go, Shane and Dennis aren't exactly up to par in that regard either.

 

[Celtic]

Chang, as you suggest, has been a very elite player for a while now, but this is the first time I think he's mentionable with the other three, and I'm not even sure of that.

When his playing resume includes the most prestigious titles in the biggest internationally deep fields, it cannot be argued. Today it can.

Umm... dude?

How about his World 8-ball championship?
http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2012.php?eventnum=56

How about his All Japan Open win?
http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2012.php?eventnum=372

How about his Beijing Open title?
http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2011.php?eventnum=238

Those three events are world class events with world class fields that have ALOT more of the top 50 players on the planet then any US Open has ever managed to get.

And then tack on Changs 6 other titles I already listed which have the BEST players from both the Phillipines and Taiwan, the two most powerful pool playing countries on this planet and add to those above. Orcullo was a regular on that tour that Chang was tearing up. SVB has rarely ever competed with as tough a field as those Guiness tour events had, they simply CANNOT happen on USA soil because there are simply not that many world class players that can stack the field like that, not even close in fact.

What exactly has SVB done in tournament play that actually compares with Chang's resume? He has two US Open titles which are great, and what else has he done on the world class level tournaments?

Appleton is a different story, he is a beast with not only US Open titles but also world championships under his belt. If anything Chang and Appelton have closer to equal resumes and SVB and TBH Orcullo as well simply do not have enough big wins to compare to either Appleton OR Chang.

 

[sjm]

What exactly has SVB done in tournament play that actually compares with Changs resume? He has two US Open titles which are great, and what else has he done on the world class level tournaments?

To keep it simple, let's stick with 2012.

You can start with Shane's win at the 2012 Derby City Classic 9-ball event. He won the event in a field that included Orcullo, Pagulayan, Souquet, Bustamante, Immonen, Appleton, Reyes, Kiamco, Stalev, Vann Cortezza, and countless elite Americans.

At the 2012 Players Championhip, Shane won the event in a field that included Appleton, Immonen, Souquet and countless elite Americans.

Add that to Shane's undefeated run at the US Open 9-ball event in October, and I'm guessing Shane will be named the player of the year in 2012. Orcullo and Appleton will get their votes, too.

Your suggestion that Shane isn't beating great fields to a pulp on a regular basis is, quite simply, mistaken.