Svb Vs Efren

In a race to 100 Efren is the favorite playing SVB playing any game. The worst thing you can do with Efren is add more balls to the table. Sure SVB has a better break but do you really think his break neutralizes the fact that Efren is better than him in every other aspect of the game? Not to mention Efren is a great racker...

Warren Kiamco breaks like a little girl, the worst filipino breaker by far and he still managed to beat SVB.

I think a lot of people too easily get caught up in the hype when a player is having a strong year. kinda reminds me of corey in 2001...
 
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BPG24 said:
JCIN, i am in agreement with what you said but I have 1 question for you...

Everyone is talking about Larry Nevel and his Huge stroke... Could he keep up with Shane as far as breaking goes in 10 ball... Not total playing ability, Just breaking ability in 10 ball?

no, Nevel can crush them harder but SVB controls the 1,2,3 etc balls and the CB, his control over the 1 ball and 2 off the break is better than I have ever seen anyone ever. Its not how hard the break is its the control of the table on the break which is something only a few guys in the world can do in a reliable fashion, most just smash and pray.
 
I was speaking with Willie Munson from Milwuakee about 15 years ago at Hard Times and Willie said, "A mistake I've stopped making is betting against Efren Reyes. The guy just doesn't make bad games, and plays too good, no matter what he's giving up."
I would have to seriously consider taking Efren in a matchup like that.

Danny K
 
branpureza said:
In a race to 100 Efren is the favorite playing SVB playing any game. The worst thing you can do with Efren is add more balls to the table. Sure SVB has a better break but do you really think his break neutralizes the fact that Efren is better than him in every other aspect of the game? Not to mention Efren is a great racker...

Warren Kiamco breaks like a little girl, the worst filipino breaker by far and he still managed to beat SVB.

I think a lot of people too easily get caught up in the hype when a player is having a strong year. kinda reminds me of corey in 2001...
I understand what you are saying but here is the thing. I have been watching Efren play for years. I have been fortunate to have seen Shane play in the majority of events this year and in many gambling matches first hand usually with something in the middle up to the Action Challenges. Until you sit and watch it, really watch it, most people do not see how dominating his 10 ball game is. They see but they don't understand. Earl almost said as much. He has very few weaknesses now in that game.

As far as Kiamco beating him, you are correct. After Shane beat De Luna (bigger break than Shane, far less control) Luat, and whoever else on their turf in an absolutely foriegn enviroment.

I think he is the best 10 Ball player in the world right now. If you don't believe me ask Billy Incardona and Grady Mathews (2 guys who know a little about pool). After the last match Earl said he thought Shane could win as many U.S. Opens as he has. Don't take my word for it, just listen to what the people who REALLY know what they are talking about say.

Last I looked Shane does not have an S on his chest so of course he will lose sometimes but that does not mean he is not the best. Just my opinion. For the rest of the world to see it he still has to beat Dennis, Busta, Efren and a few others but the kid has had a busy year. Give him time. He sure isn't scared and with his new found notoriety I am thinking his schedule will be much more hectic so it may take awhile.

A fact I have heard little mention made of: This is basicaly Shane's rookie year on tour. He has played pro events before of course but never a full schedule like this year. Scary.

Whatever he does and whoever he does or does not beat Shane is one of the best people I have ever met on or off the table and I am proud to call him a friend. His integrity and honor can bring as much to the game as his skills, Amercans need a guy to get behind, there are few out there already of course but one more never hurts.
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
I was speaking with Willie Munson from Milwuakee about 15 years ago at Hard Times and Willie said, "A mistake I've stopped making is betting against Efren Reyes. The guy just doesn't make bad games, and plays too good, no matter what he's giving up."
I would have to seriously consider taking Efren in a matchup like that.

Danny K

that could be why he wouldnt play SVB he dosent get out of line, and right now SVB is playing 10B stronger, I would love nothing more to see Efren get back in top form, he will, and play Shane. I'd be on Efren with a light bet on day one and then make a move on the last 2days(assuming a 3 day race) if I saw something I liked, I wouldnt bet it big without watching.
 
JCIN said:
A fact I have heard little mention made of: This is basicaly Shane's rookie year on tour. He has played pro events before of course but never a full schedule like this year. Scary.

Whatever he does and whoever he does or does not beat Shane is one of the best people I have ever met on or off the table and I am proud to call him a friend. His integrity and honor can bring as much to the game as his skills, Amercans need a guy to get behind, there are few out there already of course but one more never hurts.


This is a fact, I watched him in Vegas play one match at the BCA Pro event in the back in Aug?, anyways he made a bank shot that guys his age arnt suppost to make. period. After seeing that one shot I knew I was buying Ebay stock at the IPO when I started betting on Shane this past couple months. Handicapping his matches moving foward will be tricky, like Danny said about Efren. Both of them playing would be a dream to watch and a nightmare to handicapp. Shane if you read this I have a envlope waiting.

Since then I have come to know him and speak to him occasionally, he has keys to my house anytime he wants even if I'm not at home and a car too and a table incase he wants to play !!!, How strong is that? I dont do that for hardly anyone. It speaks volumes of how good of a person he is, and will continue to be. besides if he goes off track to many people love him and will kick his ass if did go off track ;) . Of course i'm just kidding Shane, would probably kick their asses look how hard he breaks.;) :) But Chad is big, listen if asnything goes down let me know I'll post a line. PLEASE understand its 3:30 and I cant sleep, i'm just messing around.

All jokeing aside SVB will for the next 20+ years represent America in pool as one of our best players and will be well respected by everyone(those who wouldnt respect them are off my list) as long as pool is around. He isnt a one hit wonder. Hell he isnt really out of the gate yet, Scary is right. He still gets the 8 from me, i hate $$$. ;)

The other cool thing about Shane is he hasnt and I believe will NEVER let fame go to his head. I believe he has perpaired himself for it the whole time like I did for a differnt reason. Spare me for a little about me to compair to SVB-this is about SVB not me, I'm not famous, but when I was broke 75% of my life, i said I wouldnt ever let $$$ change me(I prepaired for it long before I made it because I knew I would makss $$$ some day, like SVB knowing years ago he was going to be a world champion), All those years he knew that to be a respected ledgend its more than just pool. There are some champs who arnt respected and thats sad to me, but I look for the good in everyone.

To mention someone else in a similar situation, I spoke to Fabio(the model guy) the other night after a party for 30 minutes, We go back for 14 years(from the gym), we handnt talked for years, after a million pictures everyone took of him that night, later on we spoke about his fame and he said "If it wasnt for my fans I wouldnt be where I'm at, so I give them a picture and talk etc. I owe it to them" Shane is the same way he talks to his fans and treats them nicely and I believe he will continue to be, thats as important as playing good for the respect of the fans. As for mayself I'm not anything close to a star or Shane, but I awalys make an effort to make people smile and am nice. Shane is polite and nice. Its a amazing thing he has going and I'm damn proud of him. He will go farther in life than I have...what ever that means, and I'm honored to be a small part of that.


And Props to his support team in SD. they have alot to be proud of and Shane is living proof there is actually somrthing happining in SD, I thought everyone lived in igloos up there and ate seals. ;)
 
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Takumi4G63 said:
Do they play this even? Last I heard Corey got 10-7 against him playing one pocket. I thought that it should be mentioned that it seems Corey gets weight at least in one pocket.

I was at the Derby in 2005 where Efren was giving Corey 9/7. Corey unscrewed his stick and said "Efren I dont care what spot you give me I cant beat you". Corey's backer spoke up and asked Efren if he wanted to play 9 ball. Efren said "No, but I'll play you rrrrotation". Corey and his backer just smiled and kept on walking.
 
JCIN said:
To my knowledge Shane has not played Efren.

IMO in a tournament setting Efren is the favorite. Aside from being the best player to ever pick up a cue he also has many years of experience to rely on and can out move Shane in a short race by playing better safeties and kicks.

But.

In an Action Challenge style match of 10 ball race 100 Shane is the favorite. Shane breaks 10 ball better than anyone on earth period and in a long set would have time to overcome the "wow" factor of playing a legend.

Just my opinion, I would love to find out.


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jimmy-leggs said:
I was just curious if Svb and Efren have ever played each and what was the outcome?This would be a great match up.And I was also curious as to who Svb looks up too in pool or who his idol is?Also I'm also pretty sure Efren would come over for some sorta action challenge match up........or would anyone want to take that challenge?I think we should try to see MORE of Efren in the future before he packs up and calls it quits.
Well this confurms it i do have {ESP} i told my wife weeks ago that some one would try to match shane& efren. so if anyone want to know the out come of any matches just pm me!!!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
I think bran has the best point... with more than 9 balls on the table, nobody wants to get anywhere near efren. People who are saying he's maybe in a slump are basing that on 9 ball where the break rules. Efren's break in 9 ball is known not to be the best, so there are guys who have beat him.

Take away the automatic wing ball though and you've basically got a real game of rotation instead of a fun runout exercise. We've all seen shane play 10 ball and haven't seen efren play much of it, so it's assumed shane is stronger, but I wouldn't be shocked if efren generally wins more at 10 than 9.
 
branpureza said:
In a race to 100 Efren is the favorite playing SVB playing any game. The worst thing you can do with Efren is add more balls to the table. Sure SVB has a better break but do you really think his break neutralizes the fact that Efren is better than him in every other aspect of the game? Not to mention Efren is a great racker...

Warren Kiamco breaks like a little girl, the worst filipino breaker by far and he still managed to beat SVB.

I think a lot of people too easily get caught up in the hype when a player is having a strong year. kinda reminds me of corey in 2001...
While I'm definitely not saying that I'd bet against Efren, in this case, yes I do think Shane's break equalizes the playing field in 10-ball. The reason being is because Shane's break turns 10-ball into 9, 8 and sometimes 7-ball. Simply, Adding one more ball to the rack to make it 10-ball is nothing at the profesional level, especially when you break like Shane. You're not getting the same kind of traffic and clusters as you would in 15 ball rotation, so aside from the break factor (which in this case is huge), it's no different than playing 9-ball.
 
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