SVB vs Frost Barbox with 5" Pockets

Thecoats said:
I was there Saturday night and based on my calculations using my handheld barometer, pocket slide rule, and a triple sweet Fu Xiaoyou signature abacus made by Shanxi Shengtian Industries, the relative humidity ranged between 62.55823 and 66.778644 percent.

All that being said, Shane waxed Scott on Saturday. Scott did get hooked quite a bit on the break but he also was not parking whitey in the center with the same consistency as Shane.

It was a great time and Big Dog's is a really nice room, I recommend it to anyone looking for a nice weekend action get away.

What was more impressive to me was how Shane gave a fairly good player from Topeka the 6, 8, last four, and the break in a race to 11 and out ran the nuts by running almost every rack that Kent did not make a ball on the break. Shane wins 11-7 or 8 in what was a very impressive display of big table 9 ball mastery.

-don
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Coats,
Awesome to finally meet you and so many other players, stakers and AZer's there. This was definitely a long weekend, I just walked through the door after a long day of flights and other fun stuff. The bottom line is that Shane had this match from the very beginning. All of the other stuff that happened throughout the weekend just added fuel to the fire and did nothing but help to cement Shanes win. Thanks to everyone who watched and supported The Action Report, Chad and Justin did another great job. Finally got to meet Tanner Pruess and Mr. Andy Chen, both of them are pimps at the highest level. Big Dawg Billiards was a great place and John and Mike were awesome guys to deal with. Last but not least, damnit Sleeve, its about time for you to turn 21, hurry up so we dont have to deal with the crap we did this weekend again.
 
mikeyfrost said:
That's interesting, I didn't notice that...maybe too many drinks on Day 1? Did you enjoy the trip to Des Moines? I saw you there, I was gonna say whats up...maybe I did, who knows long weekend of barking, betting, and drinking.
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Too many drinks?? I apologize, and would take 'em back if it detracted from your Friday night :p ;)
 
driven said:
does anyone really care about these little tables?
steven
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I believe just about ANYONE would care about 'em if it were their $5K on the line.....don't get your question at all. ??? Did you know that the match was played on a little table? :confused:
 
mongoose- said:
Bob I would think an APA wizard as yourself would be use to big crap bar box pockets. :rolleyes:
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I played this weekend on a Brunswick Tournament Edition 9' table with 4" pockets. I'm just glad I didn't have a Chainsaw with me! It was super tough since the table wasn't real level and you couldn't roll the balls very slowly at all.

Keep in mind I beat the Ghost 9-6 on another 9' table with 4 1/2" pockets but that downsizing to 4" is KILLING ME!!!!!:mad: My home table is a oversized 8' Olhausen with 4 1/2" pockets.

At 55 my eyesight must be going (good excuse anyway!).
 
The break

Did anyone else notice that Shane was playing position on the 1 ball on the break, not just squatting the cue ball. Oh and he figured out how to make the wing ball. Scott was making the one ball, this makes getting on the next ball a random occurance. Shane was playing postion on the one ball. When that happens you should just give credit to the guy. He has the best 10 ball break, what appears to be a great 9 ball bar box break. He figures things out and quickly adapts. The same thing happened in the Corey match, close, close, close, then BOOM good-bye.

I am also amused by the biggest package arguement. 7-8-9 packs just don't fall out of trees. I think a huge number of people exaggerate their number of runs and exaggerate pros cons. runs as time goes by. Now the matces are on TAPE and the count is the count. I did not think anyone would run 8 and I was right. Won quite a few bets from my buddies. But after watching Shane figure out the break I was sweating it BIG TIME.
 
Frost Barbox with 5" Pockets

kryptonite9 said:
Did anyone else notice that Shane was playing position on the 1 ball on the break, not just squatting the cue ball. Oh and he figured out how to make the wing ball. Scott was making the one ball, this makes getting on the next ball a random occurance. Shane was playing postion on the one ball. When that happens you should just give credit to the guy. He has the best 10 ball break, what appears to be a great 9 ball bar box break. He figures things out and quickly adapts. The same thing happened in the Corey match, close, close, close, then BOOM good-bye.

I am also amused by the biggest package arguement. 7-8-9 packs just don't fall out of trees. I think a huge number of people exaggerate their number of runs and exaggerate pros cons. runs as time goes by. Now the matces are on TAPE and the count is the count. I did not think anyone would run 8 and I was right. Won quite a few bets from my buddies. But after watching Shane figure out the break I was sweating it BIG TIME.
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I think the biggest draw back on racking your own is that the balls can be rack in an order that you like. Shane was putting the 8 ball on the wing and making it everytime. Did he rack the other balls the sameway everytime?

Racking 9 Ball should be a ramdom event and not in the same sequence everytime. This is why you should watch the way a person racks and if they are racking the balls the same everytime a complaint should be made.
 
First off, I would like to say thank you to everyone who came out last weekend and watched Shane and Scott.

Second, the TAR guys are the best!! Beav, good to meet you!

The pockets were not 5''. They weren't pro cut, it was just a standard cut table. It made it possible to see packages bigger than 2 or 3. Seems that even with standard cut pockets, neither one could get over 7 or 8. If they were pro cut the score might have been 150-75!

I just want to say that Shane Van Boening is a class act. He is a true gentleman during a match and after, win or lose. I have known him a long time, and he has always been a true champion on or off the pool table. Pool needs more guys like him to promote it, and help it's image. It's too bad there are some guys out there that tarnish the image of this great game.
 
Big Dog said:
First off, I would like to say thank you to everyone who came out last weekend and watched Shane and Scott.

Second, the TAR guys are the best!! Beav, good to meet you!

The pockets were not 5''. They weren't pro cut, it was just a standard cut table. It made it possible to see packages bigger than 2 or 3. Seems that even with standard cut pockets, neither one could get over 7 or 8. If they were pro cut the score might have been 150-75!

I just want to say that Shane Van Boening is a class act. He is a true gentleman during a match and after, win or lose. I have known him a long time, and he has always been a true champion on or off the pool table. Pool needs more guys like him to promote it, and help it's image. It's too bad there are some guys out there that tarnish the image of this great game.
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Ever notice that players like Shane (that everyone says is a gentleman, or all class) never has to TELL you they have class? Just sayin'!!

I had a really good time at Big Dog's and will definitely return if you were to hold something like this again. Thanks for making it worth the 4 hour drive from Peoria. :thumbup:
 
trustyrusty said:
Ever notice that players like Shane (that everyone says is a gentleman, or all class) never has to TELL you they have class? Just sayin'!!

I had a really good time at Big Dog's and will definitely return if you were to hold something like this again. Thanks for making it worth the 4 hour drive from Peoria. :thumbup:
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Yeah, isn't that amazing how he never says he has class?!!

We will definately be doin something in the future with TAR again, and with Shane again. Thanks for coming over for this, and hope you had a great time.
 
Neil said:
Large runs DO happen. They just don't happen on command, or every time someone plays. That's why they are talked about- they are rare. I have run a 12 pack unfinished (guy quit after my 12), I have had 10 packs run on me. And I'm no pro. Neither were the guys that ran the 10's on me. Scott put a big pack on Kirkwood as Bartram mentioned. It's just that a lot has to come together for a while to get the big packs. But, they do happen. Their rarity is why they get talked about.
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So you just packed up your cues after running 12 racks and didn't try to continue to set a remarkable number that you could brag about forever?
Why didn't you rack them a try to continue? It obviously was not in a tournament because the guy quit you.

If you can run a 12 pack that is amazing. Was it on a bar table? I could never even imagine running that many racks in a week let alone in a row.
 
kryptonite9 said:
So you just packed up your cues after running 12 racks and didn't try to continue to set a remarkable number that you could brag about forever?
Why didn't you rack them a try to continue? It obviously was not in a tournament because the guy quit you.

If you can run a 12 pack that is amazing. Was it on a bar table? I could never even imagine running that many racks in a week let alone in a row.
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I've seen it happen before....I also could not run 12 racks in a week, but in a golf terms have done similar;

9 hole golf league - shot 32 (4 under par) on the front nine, and just left instead of playing the back 9 to try for my course record (which was and still is 68 on that course). I hadn't and still haven't shot a 32 since, on the front there - 33 a few times, including when I shot the 68. Just depends on what was important at the time....I beat the living crap outta my opponent and I was hungry - lol, good enough reason for me to leave right then :p
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
I think the biggest draw back on racking your own is that the balls can be rack in an order that you like. Shane was putting the 8 ball on the wing and making it everytime. Did he rack the other balls the sameway everytime?

Racking 9 Ball should be a ramdom event and not in the same sequence everytime. This is why you should watch the way a person racks and if they are racking the balls the same everytime a complaint should be made.
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In tournaments the racking is random and in the finals sometimes there is a referee racking for you. In matchups like SVB and Frost, the format and rules are discussed ahead of time. If they agree on rack your own and nobody said racks had to be random, then obviously it could be the same way on each rack. Shane found a ball, the 8, that was a different size and took advantage of a good thing. Why Scott did not pick up on this fact is a mystery.
At their level of play, the bar box comes down to a breaking contest. Shane figured it out and blew Scott out of the water, period.
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
I watched the last few hours of this match and noticed how big the pockets were. A few people stated they were 5" pockets and one person claimed he played on the table and it had 5" pockets.

5" pockets are big on a 9' table and on a Barbox they are huge. What am I missing here - two great players playing on a table with buckets. Highest package I'm told was 7 racks. Is this a very high package on a barbox with 5" pockets? Seems to me making a ball on the break should be alot easier with 5" pockets. Several Azers thought the biggest package would be over 10 racks.

Would like to know what Azers think about this since I'm a little confused as to why they used such big pockets.
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I was in Big Dogs playing a young guy $200 sets about 4 months ago. The pockets were the standard diamond pockets. You had to really make the ball to make it. There was no cheating these pockets. The table I played on was perfect. I'm an old road player and know my stuff. The pockets might have just looked bigger because these guys were firing the shots in easily. They are both great players. I've played against them both. Geno....................
 
tucson9ball said:
In tournaments the racking is random and in the finals sometimes there is a referee racking for you. In matchups like SVB and Frost, the format and rules are discussed ahead of time. If they agree on rack your own and nobody said racks had to be random, then obviously it could be the same way on each rack. Shane found a ball, the 8, that was a different size and took advantage of a good thing. Why Scott did not pick up on this fact is a mystery.
At their level of play, the bar box comes down to a breaking contest. Shane figured it out and blew Scott out of the water, period.
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Brand new set of balls with new cloth makes it easy to make balls on the break if you don't crush the rack every time. Scott never picked up on that either. He tried to smash the break, while Shane used a pop break and controlled the cue ball. He seemed to have a shot on the one most of the time. Shane just showed that he is a smarter player than most.
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
I play every week on Valley Barboxes. The pockets don't seem that big to me. I will measure them the next time I play on them. I thought they were 4 3/4".
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1. Valley bar tables have a different cut on thier pockets which makes them take a ball better than a Diamond
2. They were playing on a coin op diamond from what i could tell. They have bigger pockets because they are designed to enable quick games. Quick games+coin op=mo monies.
3. I'm sure TAR wanted some big strings and they did get a very set regardless. My hat is off to the TAR guys.
 
Kudos to Shane for earning me V-cash. After not betting on anything since late 2008, I am back.:thumbup:
 
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