I buy damage to cloth reason.
A suit, as you described it, would have no chance of losing for the room owner. How would the owner be at fault?
Swanee 2013:: No jump cues?
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I buy damage to cloth reason.
A suit, as you described it, would have no chance of losing for the room owner. How would the owner be at fault?
It doubt it has to do with damage to equipment, though that is an open debate. I also don't think it is a philosophic issue because jump cues are allowed in the BCAPL and the US Open 10 Ball and 8 Ball Championships, all run by Mr. Griffin.
If I had to guess I'd say it probably has more to due with the fact that the tournament is a tribute to the late Jay Swanson who played much of his career in the era before there was a jump cue in the bag of every banger.
If I had to guess I'd say it probably has more to due with the fact that the tournament is a tribute to the late Jay Swanson who played much of his career in the era before there was a jump cue in the bag of every banger.
Respectfully, I disagree http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9y8Lv_A1s
And in the high pressure game for $50,000 Chao makes an incredible kick, misses a shot under pressure, and then pulls out a great jump shot for the win. Listen to the crowd cheering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcv9KZVo40o
Banning jump cues is just a crappy move for any tournament or league. The cues are part of the game and allowed in the world rules. It's just another example of how promoters twist the rules to suit themselves at ever opportunity. It doesn't end with jump cues, where to rack, what kind of rack, call shot, no call shot, etc... Everyone is jacking with the rules so that the players don't know what to expect from event to event and from year-to-year. Although I LOVE LOVE LOVE CSI and Mark Griffin I think he is wrong on this point.
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This is absolutely 100% NOT TRUE. Jump cues were not invented by "the industry". They were invented by great players like Pat Fleming and Ron Vitello.
As for the other points they have been debated endlessly, jumping is a skill like every other. A well rounded player has to have all the skills to compete.
Jump cues are a joke. Anybody can learn to jump a ball in one day. It takes years to kick great.
A guy I give the last 6 and the break to can jump I'd say a hair better than I can, but compare his kicking ability to mine and it is not even close. Meaning I kick way way better than he does.
And that's his fault for not practicing. I practice both skills because they are different and a good player needs to know when the jump is the best shot and when it's better to kick and how to do either.
If you can give him the last six then he needs to spend a lot more time on the rest of his game.
There are a ton of trick shot artists that could spot you ten attempts and drill you at the trick shots and you in turn could give them the five out and drill them in nine ball.
Years? So with all the books and videos out there teaching kicking methods you still think it takes years?
I will be willing to bet that I can teach any C-player to make 90% of kick shots in two weeks or less. I can teach them to make one rail kicks in less than one hour.
You're right anyone can learn to jump in less than a day. But it takes much practice to learn to do it really well.
I bet Shawn Putnam put in a lot more than a day perfecting his skill with the jump cue.
I respectfully disagree with you Donny and if you happen to make it to a show where I am I will be happy to demonstrate what I mean.
Those that can't kick, jump.
I'm glad someone did this finally.
Heck, I can teach a monkey to jump a ball
Not with a jump cue you can't.
No one on this forum has more experience teaching people to jump than I do and it's not all in the cue.
Not with a jump cue you can't.
No one on this forum has more experience teaching people to jump than I do and it's not all in the cue.
It's gotten easier and easier, and very easy to teach jump shots with shorty cues... I've done it quite a bit, not because I want to, but because it is part of the game now, and they want to know how .......
Teaching kicking, not so easy
I have more control with my kicks than I do my jump shots. However, simply talking about getting out of a safe and making a legal hit, jumping is wayyyyyy easier than kicking.
On another note, I remember hearing (I think on a TAR stream or podcast) about a jump shot that Shane made where he made the shot and went 3 rails for shape.
Is it online anywhere?
On another note, I remember hearing (I think on a TAR stream or podcast) about a jump shot that Shane made where he made the shot and went 3 rails for shape.
Is it online anywhere?
Jump cues are a joke , Good rule mark, guys cant run 4 balls learn to use a jump cue before they learn how to play. It is pretty sick when you play a skilled safety shot , just to have a player use a jump cue , which takes minimal skill compared to kicking , i believe jumping is fine if you use your playing cue , Just my opinion,
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It's gotten easier and easier, and very easy to teach jump shots with shorty cues... I've done it quite a bit, not because I want to, but because it is part of the game now, and they want to know how .......
Teaching kicking, not so easy
Really?
Well here is my experience. I have had to rebuild the stroke of many students in order to give them the proper stroke to jump at all even with a jump cue.
In kicking I taught the people in my shop how to measure and hit one rail kicks in 30 minutes using the double-the-distance system. The very same people couldn't possibly jump with a jump cue if you gave them 100 swings UNLESS you first taught them to stroke properly.
Using just about any of these systems any halfway decent player can learn to kick in less than an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...5022.13j8j11j2.34.0...0.0...1ac.1.E-usjZlWnVM
Now learning the nuance? Weeks, months years....of course, same with jumping, any halfway decent player can learn to jump with a jump cue in five to ten minutes. But that's about the same as saying that someone can learn to draw their ball in a few minutes. Anyone can. Learning the touch to draw the ball three inches from 8 ft away consistently on demand under pressure....takes years.
You tell me you can teach someone to jump an 8ft shot into a six target or jump the cue ball into a tight cluster in five minutes then I will say you can't unless they are already a high level player to begin with. You aren't teaching those shots to beginners.
Anyway whatever, jump cues are always going to get this reaction. To those who don't like them, change the rules across the board but stop changing them for every other tournament.
There is a length requirement for cues. It's 40".
I too would rather kick than jump, but I agree with those who've argued the need for both skills.
Kicking is a lost art? WHAT?????
Let me see if I understand this, there are literally hundreds of books and commercial videos teaching people how to kick as well as plenty of non-commerical video and hundreds of articles and it's a lost art? On top of that every instructor beyond an APA 3 knows how to teach many kicking systems.
If anything it's a FOUND art since the implementation of Texas Express rules and one-foul ball in hand rules have made kicking skills hugely necessary.
Why is this always cast as an either-or proposition? As in a player with a jump cue automatically is assumed to be a poor kicker or vice versa?
In fact the amount of instruction out there teaching kicking is way more than instruction in jumping. To my knowledge there is just one professional DVD teaching jumping while there are dozens that teach kicking.
It's true it's easy to jump, but it's hard to jump accurately... It's a roll of the dice for most players what happens after. And many balls are hard to jump (too close) or awkward to jump (too close to middle of table) or risky to jump (OB too close to rail).
It's not like once you get a jump cue you never kick again. kicking is still an important skill. Good luck winning anything significant if you suck at kicking.
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It's not like once you get a jump cue you never kick again. kicking is still an important skill. Good luck winning anything significant if you suck at kicking.
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