Swanee payouts

yobagua said:
Sorry youre not making sense here Lenny. Griffin has invested a lot of time and energy in this project and he is now expected to hand it over to someone else?
You yourself had some problems recently with defective products. Should your company be turned over to Accu-stats to distribute? No!
We have to give a margin of error to someone trying to create something positive for the industry. Unless you think Griffin is doing otherewise then maybe.
But did he make money out of what seems like a passion for him? No!
The man had a lung transplant for christsakes!

I think he and those in his organization know they can do a better job. We all can.
There is an old maxim in war and politics. Know your friends and most of all know your enemies. Mark I believe is a friend.
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See my above post. As for DVD issues, yes it cost Frost and I thousands at Derby but we just came to a nice settlement with the company for the error they made. Big difference between something profitable and something that is being said to be operating at a loss. Expenses can be cut without question so it is profitable for Csi.

I hear there is little food and drink there or something like that, let a vendor set up in the parking lot and get a piece of that or get food from a local caterer and generate revenue. I am just thinking of ideas and solutions, maybe it's just time to move locations.

I hope the new California Billiard Club is a choice for this event and the US Open one pocket. That place will have good food and liquor and plenty of room. Are there sponsors for this event and can that be obtained? Trying to be constructive as there is a solution here instead of it being ugly in this thread.
 
my comments in post 138 were not an attempt to paint every one who had questions with a broad stroke. nothing wrong with constructive critisizim or help full suggestions. my post was directed at the accusations an inuendos of shady concerning the payouts.

as i said earlier..added money is a misnomer...as tate said ..it really should not be hyped as such..

i thought all day about the fact that pool players expect.... if not out right demand tournament promoters to open their books and show where every dime went during a tourny. no other event that i can think of faces such expectations from their consumers.

whether you realize it or not a pool player is a consumer. you as a pool players purchase a service from a tournament promoter . when you pay to enter a tournament. you are in effect purchasing a ticket to enter that event.

you then as a consumer demand for that promoter to open his books and show you were your money went. i would love to see what happens when you go to a concert promoter and demand for him to open his books and show you where your money went.
 
lorider said:
my comments in post 138 were not an attempt to paint every one who had questions with a broad stroke. nothing wrong with constructive critisizim or help full suggestions. my post was directed at the accusations an inuendos of shady concerning the payouts.

as i said earlier..added money is a misnomer...as tate said ..it really should not be hyped as such..

i thought all day about the fact that pool players expect.... if not out right demand tournament promoters to open their books and show where every dime went during a tourny. no other event that i can think of faces such expectations from their consumers.

whether you realize it or not a pool player is a consumer. you as a pool players purchase a service from a tournament promoter . when you pay to enter a tournament. you are in effect purchasing a ticket to enter that event.

you then as a consumer demand for that promoter to open his books and show you were your money went. i would love to see what happens when you go to a concert promoter and demand for him to open his books and show you where your money went.
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I just think this BS about added money being vague because lots of times the added money can be counted from what is taken out of the entries so seems players are adding the money. I see nothing wrong with an event taking monies out of the entries but being open about it is important, let me choose whether I want to play in a tournament where a 1/3 of the entry is taken out for green/reg fees.

I could say I am doing a $5,000 added $100 entry tournament and 100 people show up, take half the monies out for fees so prize pool is $5,000 and I am adding $5,000 but am I really adding $5,000? I guess it all depends on how you look at it. I think the main point is the tournament is a memorial tournament and players should play in it to honor Jay Swanson and mix it up with some top players, basically have a good time and not worry too much about the monies.
 
Fast Lenny said:
I just think this BS about added money being vague because lots of times the added money can be counted from what is taken out of the entries so seems players are adding the money. I see nothing wrong with an event taking monies out of the entries but being open about it is important, let me choose whether I want to play in a tournament where a 1/3 of the entry is taken out for green/reg fees.

I could say I am doing a $5,000 added $100 entry tournament and 100 people show up, take half the monies out for fees so prize pool is $5,000 and I am adding $5,000 but am I really adding $5,000? I guess it all depends on how you look at it. I think the main point is the tournament is a memorial tournament and players should play in it to honor Jay Swanson and mix it up with some top players, basically have a good time and not worry too much about the monies.
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i agree with you for the most part...that is why i stated " added money " is a misnomer.

it seems to me some time , some where some one came up with the term " added money " in big bold letters as hype to attract players to their tournament. probably in fine print was the disclaimer ...minus expenses. its par for the course in any advertising to hype up what you are offering in big bold letters , but in the fine print it states what you are actually getting.

most people who have been around tournaments know the above but every now and then some one adds up the figure and says ... aha ! the numbers dont add up . they figure the promoter is ....skimmimg off the top...decietful ...out right scamming....or getting rich off broke ass pool players. maybe they think all of the above .:grin:

as a result ...every time some one adds it up we get one of these threads.

as you ... i ... and tate seem to agree. do away with the hype ' added money ". just post entry fees and payouts. the thing is ...when some one crunches the numbers that person will still think the promoter is ...skimmimgoff the top...deceitful ...out right scamming ...or getting rich off broke ass pool players. :grin-square:
 
one stroke said:
Hold on there hot rod you spewed off into a whole bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with promoting a event ,
1st this event has a home and tables it's also a event that happens yr after yr ,,second it's not 1950 , between email Facebook , Instagram and so on getting the word out simply is not that hard ,,
Yes someone like Cleary could run this turny ,, you don't need that much added money when less money is coming off the top


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One,

I'd be interested in reading what you think promoting an event is all about. Do you think all it is is sending out flyers, tweets or e-mails to get players to the room?

Last time I tried (Joss event in Rochester) it took lots of work to make it successful. Yes, this event was relatively simple. Tournament host already in place but still there was an aweful lot of work behind the scene by CSI and Hard Times to make it happen. As so many other posters on this thread have mentioned, if it is so easy, why haven't or why don't YOU promote it or a similar event? Guess I'm done spewing.

Incidentally, should I add Hot Rod to my list of nicknames? Kind of like it!

Lyn
 
bfdlad said:
Kid, although everything you pointed out is to me correct there is a lot more to get done to make most any event happen. How about getting sponsors on board? I mean you have to cover the added money from somewhere or now you got to pay it out of your pocket. what to stream it? Get a PPV guy to your event and a hotel room unless you have a streamer locally and that isn't always the case and they don't always do it for free. Lots of $$ going out and nothing but risk of getting it back.
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Mark,

You're correct about potential sponsors. I can not even fathom what it must take CSI, ACS, APA, VNEA or even the US Open to make their events happen. Guess most people think those folks have a magic wand they wave and everything just falls into place. Promoting is just one facet of making an event happen. When one facet fails, the whole event may crash and burn. A simple example was, what do most people remember about last years CSI Invitational? Do they remember the great play by some of the worlds best players or the unfortunate problem caused by Ralf leaving early? Which do you remember? Sad state of affairs isn't it!

Lyn
 
cardiac kid said:
Mark,

You're correct about potential sponsors. I can not even fathom what it must take CSI, ACS, APA, VNEA or even the US Open to make their events happen. Guess most people think those folks have a magic wand they wave and everything just falls into place. Promoting is just one facet of making an event happen. When one facet fails, the whole event may crash and burn. A simple example was, what do most people remember about last years CSI Invitational? Do they remember the great play by some of the worlds best players or the unfortunate problem caused by Ralf leaving early? Which do you remember? Sad state of affairs isn't it!

Lyn
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There is a HUGE difference between a national tournament held in a casino with thousands of players attending and a weekend tournament held in a pool room. Huge.


Huge.
 
cleary said:
There is a HUGE difference between a national tournament held in a casino with thousands of players attending and a weekend tournament held in a pool room. Huge. Huge.
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Only in scale. Both are business models. One large, one small. Either can fail due to poor promotion and/or administration.

Lyn
 
kid,
business models change because of size in every facet,dont say that running an ice cream cart is a smaller version of baskin robbins thats just weak.

No disrespect to any local promoter but dont try to compare a 64 man field to 192 its more than 3 times the size as you start trying to cram all the people together so unless you have an 86 table room its never gonna be the same
 
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